Guild Wars 2

I know no dev is reading these forums, otherwise over the months we would have one post or two, but I’d still like to know how any patch over the last few months made different builds viable for Elementalists, all they did so far is make even more bunker Eles, and the upcoming patch will see EVEN more bunker Eles around, despite the nerfs, because there is nothing to compensate.

Do you really believe that one day we will see some worthwhile buffs to any other spec? Or our wonderful devs will continue the road of nerfing until it becomes on par with the other -terrible- specs?

They don’t know what to do yet. This patch is going to be more of a test.

FrownyClown.8402:

They don’t know what to do yet. This patch is going to be more of a test.

So there is nothing to buff other specs, only nerfs to the only viable spec, and since all eles are using the same means of survival, it will obviously lead to even more ele bunkers, which is the opposite of what they want. Clearly they are doing it wrong.

My favorite theory is that they’re gradually going to nerf everything down to the same level of suck.

Kaos.9162:

My favorite theory is that they’re gradually going to nerf everything down to the same level of suck.

That will surely make more builds viable, choose which one is more terrible!

Look when was the last time they looked at fire and air? When haven’t heard kitten about an evasive build or strong DPS build in months. It has been what 4 months already since we were promised new builds. So why wait anymore. DD getting nerfed water getting nerfed but we aren’t gong to see a buff. It is not happening.

Kaos.9162:

My favorite theory is that they’re gradually going to nerf everything down to the same level of suck.

which will take them probably a few years to do since elementalist is so blatantly overpowered atm and they still got mesmer on the list.

Until then enjoy ur D/D.

i think i will be done with ele for some time if they will nerf him without a buff to other aspects… ele dont have anything else then some OP defensive traits which are used in bunker builds, in semi bunker builds and often even in dps builds… thats sick… nerf it and you will ruin whole class because it just dont have anything viable, maybe except of D/D auramancer build (and again someone will cry that D/D ele is OP)

showatt.9413:

Kaos.9162:

My favorite theory is that they’re gradually going to nerf everything down to the same level of suck.

which will take them probably a few years to do since elementalist is so blatantly overpowered atm and they still got mesmer on the list.

Until then enjoy ur D/D.

In PVP of course. Mesmer is way more overpowered in PVE and in a lot of cases in PVP too.

Well, one could look into what builds aren’t viable and suggest ways to make them more attractive.

They mentioned conjures…how about some talk about reworking conjures since they’re ready to retread that wagon.

Kaos.9162:

My favorite theory is that they’re gradually going to nerf everything down to the same level of suck.

actually, they are boosting and boosting the strongest classes beyond reasonable (Warrior and Thief). I think the game will soon rebranded, something on the line Thief Wars 2 or whatever.

showatt.9413:

which will take them probably a few years to do since elementalist is so blatantly overpowered atm

what class do you play dude? I ask just to enjoy better the laugh…

The only ele that is overpowered is bunker ele but they’re pushing us even more to play bunker ele…
I know i’ll be getting more ptv jewels so I can have enough survivability because the recent changes will drop our survivability even more…

So basically, the D/D cantrip nerf spills over to staff, and the focus that was pretty much for just one thing is now reduced to never being used. And no buffs to compensate. The ele builds that weren’t a problem take a hit they couldn’t afford. Way to go Anet!

What annoys me most of all is them stating that the Guardian doesn’t get nerfs because boon hate was added this patch. What is it we use then? Moa Trading Cards?

No, they think the Boons we use is different than the one Guardian has. Guardian has automatic Boon while we have to switch Attunment to achieve it and sarcrifice 5 skill of our being locked out for 9s everytime we switch in and out. Way to think Anet. “Good job” for being a Class Eliminater…

Stealth.9324:

No, they think the Boons we use is different than the one Guardian has. Guardian has automatic Boon while we have to switch Attunment to achieve it and sarcrifice 5 skill of our being locked out for 9s everytime we switch in and out. Way to think Anet. “Good job” for being a Class Eliminater…

Hehe, yeah. I switch attunements so often they might as well be automatic.

And it’s not like I wasn’t the favorite punching bag already with my staff…guess I’d better go full bunker until the next patchs comes out.

Engineers feel your pain…

i think there’s nothing to complain about, everything has already been decided. not only bunker ele will be nerfed, but all eles will. i can’t imagine playing against zerg and not use my mist form and ether renewal to get out of troubles. i guess devs are playing another game, otherwise they should be aware of our troubles. being not able to heal while in mist form will cripple our survivability and will force us to reconsider our utilities. we’re nice at eveything but best at nothing, while we’re best at evading. are eles intended to be only glass cannons? or are we doomed to uselessness? as far as i can see, other classes are being buffed while eles are nerfed without an emergency exit. and i’m not QQing because d/d bunker, i don’t even play it anymore and i don’t give it a kitten, i’m asking: is this fair? i start playing ele because i like to be the jack of all trades, now there’s the chance it will become usless, and i invested a lot in terms of time and theorycrafting.

This is an amazing line from the latest SotG:
“Want to bring down cantrip Ele without affecting lesser used builds”

I was going to make a new thread with the above as title, but then I decided to post it here since we all know the devs don’t read profession forums anyway.

And when I see the changes they make over the last months, I see only nerfs to all Eles, not just cantrip Eles and nothing to compensate for them. The changes are ALWAYS affecting lesser used builds (hey there ARE lesser used builds out there?) far more than bunkers and each worthless “balancing” they’ve done so far led to more bunker Eles

Let’s see what happens once every single Ee is a bunker Ele, not that we are not close to 100%, but there are still exceptions

Hint to Devs: if you want to reduce the amount of bunker Eles you are doing it wrong, you are increasing them instead.

Don’t worry, they are going to screw over elementalists until they become a bs, then tone them up 6 months later (like warriors).
Oh glorious balance.

Valento.9852:

Don’t worry, they are going to screw over elementalists until they become a bs, then tone them up 6 months later (like warriors).
Oh glorious balance.

It’s because they hate whack-a-mole balance. Imagine what would happen if they liked it lol

they’re using the gw1 politic but they miss the points that this is not gw1. ppl work hard day by day to buy max equipment and farm ascended items, now we have to change everything to be effective, and i’m not talking only about d/d bunkers. while in gw1 all you have to do is to change your skills and play differently your role. no armor, no stats, just 6 runes and you were fine again. in gw2 we have to deal with stats, different tiers of equipment and a lot of grinding to get the top stats. i started playing gw2 because anet promised there won’t be grind, i believed it was true because gw1 was not a grinding feast, but that was only smoke in my eyes.

To date, Anet has done nothing to provide viable alternatives to the ele bunker.

The reason so many of us rolled bunker build in the first place is because there is NO viable alternative. If you don’t have at least 1/2 of your trait points in water and arcane, your build is going to suck. Period.

No one is using signet builds or glyph builds. No one is maxing out the fire or earth trait lines. In short, a huge portion of the ele’s build potential is untouched. And its because all those options suck. We tried them all. And after getting rolled for months, we were forced into a bunker build with crappy dps that really only works well against bad/glass players (see Daphoenix’s videos). The bunker build was great for survivability and mediocre for most other things.

And now, thanks to the nerf bat, even the bunker build is starting to suck. We have needed viable alternative builds from day 1, and Anet has done nothing about it.

My support staff Ele is no where near OP. She’s barely playable in WvW. I rarely if ever win in 1v1 situations. Now with thieves being able to steal my boons its going to be ridiculous. Mesmers Null Field was one thing, now stealing and placing stacks on top of a Thieves burst ability and it’ll be game over for me.

All I’ll be is a frustrated meat shield in WvW now.

What Kaos.9162 said. +1

Looks to me like they went from 1 viable build to 0.

With 40s RTL travel time you might as well just be a guardian instead which are a little more survivable.

My bet/hope is on them overbuffing signets, and the dreaded signet ele will be the new meta. I mean wars did it once, so why not us? :p

@Navzar
Doubtful my friend, very doubtful, better believe I’m gonna put 30 points in earth and give it a whirl though ;P

I tried it out actually. It’s not very strong, but it’s kind of fun. It had that old school s/d burst feel from beta XD (without the beta level damage of course)

Navzar.2938:

I tried it out actually. It’s not very strong, but it’s kind of fun. It had that old school s/d burst feel from beta XD (without the beta level damage of course)

lol.