Weaver meta? Earth/fire condi hybrid (PVE)

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Posted by: cursE.1794

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With the weaver, the elementalist appears to become more complex and naturally, it’s hard to see the design philosophy when you’re overwhelmed by an insane amount of possibilities. After taking a look into the new sword weapon skills and the weaver traits, it became quite clear to me what Arenanet intends to do and what the meta in PvE might look after the release of the addon.

My assumption is that the weaver meta will be an earth/fire power/condition hybrid relying on burning, bleeding and direct damage. Why? Take a look at the sword earth skills in this video:

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Earth Sword #1 will be a mix of direct damage and bleeding. Earth Sword #2 is a blast finisher, again with direct damage and bleeding. The hybrid skill will deal direct and burning damage.

Here are the sword fire skills:

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Again, we see a mix of condition and direct damage. So these five skills make perfect sense to become a rotation while swapping between earth and fire.

(fire,earth) fire/earth hybrid #3 -> 3x auto attack -> fire #2 -> attune to earth (earth, fire) earth #2 (combo finisher in fire field) -> 3x auto attack -> back to fire, repeat

It becomes even more evident if you consider the fact that dual attunement lets you benefit from the passive toughness and power boni you get from the earth and fire traitlines at the same time. Here is a link to the fire/earth traits that would synergize a lot with the new sword skills and weaver traits.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQFgdAlNIIAYRAIUeAmYwOoIA-TRx0wAEU/B2+DGU+B4EAaBIrEEA-e

The weaver traits are shown here:

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The traits for this build would be superior elements, weaver’s prowess and elements of rage. Elemental polyphony would constantly grant you +120 power and +120 toughness. With sigil of accuracy on one of your weapons and sigil of fire as utility, you get about 20% crit chance without any precision gear. Now for the synergies:

+ 270 power
+ 270 toughness
+ 10 % toughness converted to condition damage
+ 10% power converted to condition damage
+ 10% damage increase against burning
+ 5% damage against bleeding

Not mentioned are the flat condition damage and duration increases from your other traits and weapon sigils/runes. The rune of choice would be the superior rune of the berserker. If you get some precision from your gear and get 30-40% critical chance, you could even benefit from the 14% power to ferocity bonus from elements of rage. You will have permanent fury because of a blast finisher in your fire field every 8 seconds and the persisting flames trait.

With primordial stance, the weaver has a strong damage utiltiy that synergizes well with this build.

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So, a typical rotation would look like this:

Start in (fire, earth), cast sigil of fire (and maintain the passive effect), cast primordial stance, fire/earth hybrid #3 -> 3x auto attack -> fire #2 -> attune to earth (earth, fire) earth #2 -> 6x auto attack -> back to fire (now with 6x auto attack), repeat and keep on cooldown. One Rotation will be around 16 seconds, 8 seconds for each attunement because the sword #2 skills have 8s cooldowns. By taking the cooldown reduction traits in earth and fire, one rotation would take about 12 seconds.

The elite would give you even more condition damage and toughness and reduce the cooldown of attunement changes to 2s, meaning that you could build in double fire and double earth attunement to gain access to your regular sword #3 skills and the 10% damage effect from elements of rage. If you chose focus as an offhand weapon, your survival abilities earth #4 and #5 would be immediately available 75% of the time.

What do you think will the new pve meta be?

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Posted by: Magi.8643

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Could work but personally i feel that you might get more out of Arcane then you would Earth trait lines.

Fire:
Burning Precision > Power Overwhelming > Persisting Flames

Arcane:
Arcane Precision (or) Renewing Stamina > Elemental Contingency > Bountiful Power (or) Evasive Arcana

Weaver:
Superior Elements > Weaver’s Prowess > Elements of Rage (or) Invigorating Strikes

The new Grieving Stats: Power + + Condi + + Precision + Ferocity + sound like it might be a good fit for a weaver maybe with flame legion runes to boost the burn duration and for the extra damage to burning targets.

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Posted by: Wulf.5431

Wulf.5431

Unfortunately you only get bonuses from the first attunement.

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Posted by: bloodravn.3640

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So I wonder how the dual skill interacts with recharge reduction traits… does it count as a fire skill? an Earth skill? Both?

If I traited into Pyromancer and Geomancer’s training, would it get the full 40% reduction of both traits?

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Posted by: Ulion.5476

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I assuming it would be the last attunement you swapped to. Most of the dual skills have 12-20s cd. A 40% cd on those skills would be to powerful 7-12s cd with a damage bonus from both attunement. I guess thats something we will have to test next week.

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Posted by: Snowball.3497

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Cooldown reduction traits and alacrity work multiplicatively though, so we would get a reduction of 36% rather than 40%. It might be too strong, but how could they balance those traits out without gutting core/tempest?

Also side note, next week (11-13th) we will only test the first map and raptor mount. The elite specialisation tests can be done in PvP and WvW the weekend after that.

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Posted by: Dadnir.5038

Dadnir.5038

What do you think will the new pve meta be?

A build without toughness will be meta…

No core profession should be balanced around an optional elite specialization.

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Posted by: Conncept.7638

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I plan on making just such a build, if/when I pick up PoF, but I’ll probably stick with the scepter as my main hand.

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Posted by: lLobo.7960

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Looks nice, but with the change in utilities and new stats I think power fire/air/weaver will have a strong place in the meta. No fresh air needed (low att swap from elite and weaver) so you can get bolt to the heart, massive dmg bonuses (from fire, air and weaver lines), improved scholars uptime from barrier, etc…

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Posted by: Near.7439

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Looks nice, but with the change in utilities and new stats I think power fire/air/weaver will have a strong place in the meta. No fresh air needed (low att swap from elite and weaver) so you can get bolt to the heart, massive dmg bonuses (from fire, air and weaver lines), improved scholars uptime from barrier, etc…

I’m just coming back after a long break so I’m pretty rusty when it comes to the pve meta. Doesn’t most of the ele power dmg come from abusing AoE skills on large targets like air overload and staff 5? I’m wondering if FA Weaver could compete with these in terms of dps.

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Posted by: Leggendalex.4659

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Looks nice, but with the change in utilities and new stats I think power fire/air/weaver will have a strong place in the meta. No fresh air needed (low att swap from elite and weaver) so you can get bolt to the heart, massive dmg bonuses (from fire, air and weaver lines), improved scholars uptime from barrier, etc…

I’m just coming back after a long break so I’m pretty rusty when it comes to the pve meta. Doesn’t most of the ele power dmg come from abusing AoE skills on large targets like air overload and staff 5? I’m wondering if FA Weaver could compete with these in terms of dps.

yeah but weaver loses only the overloads, basically just with the traits of the weaver over the tempest ones is a DPS increase

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Posted by: ProtoGunner.4953

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I understand that they probably want to go for condi damage with the weaver. At least it looks like this if you see the middle trait line which focuses on damage.

Still – in my opinion Ele should always be a direct damage dealer. Not only I think this is a typical role a classic RPG mage should work but also that I have to – again – make another set of ascended armor which a) clutters my inventory and b) takes time and effort to make.

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‘would of been’ —> wrong

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Posted by: Stncold.1897

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Looks nice, but with the change in utilities and new stats I think power fire/air/weaver will have a strong place in the meta. No fresh air needed (low att swap from elite and weaver) so you can get bolt to the heart, massive dmg bonuses (from fire, air and weaver lines), improved scholars uptime from barrier, etc…

I’m just coming back after a long break so I’m pretty rusty when it comes to the pve meta. Doesn’t most of the ele power dmg come from abusing AoE skills on large targets like air overload and staff 5? I’m wondering if FA Weaver could compete with these in terms of dps.

In WP’s interview with the elite spec designers, he asked the guy behind weaver if FA was a match made in heaven and the response was “yes.”