Guild Wars 2

I’m a bunker Ele and I’m downed so quickly by a glass cannon Thief who just burst 22399 dmg under 10 seconds excluding the Wolf bite me at the end. The red text “not enough energy” is where I went downed and spamming those heal abilities.

Honestly, doesn’t seem that bad. C&D only hit for 2.8k, Steal hit for 3k; then it looks like he just auto’ed you to death with main hand sword for about 1.5k – 2k a hit supported by haste maybe…

Just because we are bunker doesn’t mean we are immune to damage. We can still be burst down if not careful which is why swiftness and vigor are so important, we still must dodge roll to certain attacks as they still hurt even through protection and all our armor.

And a one shot would be the thief hitting you for lke 15.-18k with backstab or something. You most certainly were not one-shotted.

Even 5 seconds can barely be considered burst. Was all of your armor damaged before this happened or after?

What happened to our def stats?
My dear boy,we never even had them.

The elementalist that normally complain about theif are the ones that get killed in 3 hits. 10sec is enough time for you to get out of melee range or do something to control the thief. It just looks like you were outplayed.

“I stood around tanking this Thief and then I died. WTF?!”

You won’t find any sympathy I’m afraid. aNet aren’t interested in talking about this broken profession (they know thieves are broken, but the can’t fix them) and thieves will just swarm in here and defend their OP profession to the death. Just do what everyone else is doing and roll a thief.

10 seconds is a lifetime in GW22222.

Could you be more specific about how the fight played out? What skills did you use and when?

Leuca.5732:

Was all of your armor damaged before this happened or after?

damaged armor doesnt mean a difference untill it is red orange is only a warning

Had a similar one in sPvP the other day. Bunker build with 3.2k armour (but only around 13k health), dead in 2-3 secs by a Thief using Mug > C+D > Backstab (from the front kitten > HS spam.

I blinded him with Blinding Flash before he shadow-stepped, but I still got caught with Basilisk Venom (I’m guessing he had Residual Venom) just long enough to blow me up.

Managed to cope with him better after that, but I was gob-smacked at the damage considering a moron with a macro keyboard could easily carry out that burst combo.

Loco.4561:

You won’t find any sympathy I’m afraid. aNet aren’t interested in talking about this broken profession (they know thieves are broken, but the can’t fix them) and thieves will just swarm in here and defend their OP profession to the death. Just do what everyone else is doing and roll a thief.

Are you really going to defend the op just standing there and tanking a thief without using anything like oh gosh mist form or RtL. Why didn’t she/he use lightning flash? Ele have 2-3 stun breaker most of the time. This is an excellent example of a terrible player thinking they’re good and asking for nerf since he/she got out played.

If this was a 1v1 fight vs a sword/dagger glass cannon thief, the op should be ashamed for getting owned so badly.

bunker ele dont run signet of air on utility slot, and from the fact ur carrying 2 zerk orns i am not sure ur real bunker.

considering how long it took that thief, i am more questioning what u were doing the entire time? standing there and taking the hits?

bunker ele dont… tank, we mitigate the dmg by dodging, and if u are taking hits better make sure u got protection boon on to drastically reduce that dmg, then let regeneration run while u avoid hits to heal back up while at the same time u slowly chip away at the enemy’s hp.

a) 10 seconds is a long time, and OP apparently just stood there AFK
b) OP “only” has 1600 toughness and we don’t know if he had both earth toughness buffs up like in the screenshot when hit.

DJRiful.3749:

I’m a bunker Ele and I’m downed so quickly by a glass cannon Thief who just burst 22399 dmg under 10 seconds excluding the Wolf bite me at the end. The red text “not enough energy” is where I went downed and spamming those heal abilities.

Elementalists can do better, you just don’t have stealth so it requires a bit more support or some very reactive defenses.

Seriously, go D/F or D/D and some variant of 25/x/25/x/x (for D/F) or 25/30/x/x/x (for D/D) with high crit and +critdam. If you go D/D, you can easily get Flame Grab to proc over 15k on its own, excluding your other hits. Increasingly you see these absurdly durable D/F elementalists running around burning down people who thought they were safe with >20k bursts.

Loco.4561:

You won’t find any sympathy I’m afraid. aNet aren’t interested in talking about this broken profession (they know thieves are broken, but the can’t fix them) and thieves will just swarm in here and defend their OP profession to the death. Just do what everyone else is doing and roll a thief.

They could fix them, if they were in fact broken.
But a bunker Ele shouldnt have a hard time with a theif, unless everything you have is on CD or your in the middle of fighting something already.
The ele has too many tools to deal with this gimmick build in a 1 v 1.

DJRiful.3749:

I’m a bunker Ele and I’m downed so quickly by a glass cannon Thief who just burst 22399 dmg under 10 seconds excluding the Wolf bite me at the end. The red text “not enough energy” is where I went downed and spamming those heal abilities.

Not enough energy usually indicates a failed dodge,

but even still what were you doing during the entire time you were fighting the theif, what is your trait setup, why are you using signet of air =_=, why is your health at 18k.
What happened during the 10seconds that this thief resorted to auto attacking you to death.

God that was a bad thief if it was a burst one, any good burst thief would of not took longer then 3 secs tops on a bad day. That was just you playing bad. When you are getting hit with about 30k burst in the span of little under 2 seconds then come back.
10 seconds is a lifetime and half.

These posts are always filled with so many imaginary numbers.

But ya, this is why my d/d ele runs a full suit of zerker’s armor. Ele’s don’t tank, we avoid damage. If we get focused, we die regardless of what we are wearing. So what is the point of giving up a huge amount of damage for survivability you won’t even use?

D/D eles complaying BS thieves are OP.
This ,Right Here , is the most ridiculous thread on forum right now.
Some of you don’t even realise what you’re sitting on.
D/D ele is just stupid broken at the moment.Its insane how strong it is.Do you even realise how hard is for a thief to take down an ele? What are the chances for a BS thief to kill you.1 chance , for you to suck at it .
But hey , don’t believe me .Roll a Thief and I’ll meet you WvW on my ele.

no we just know people without even a remote knowledge of a class coming complaining on this board because they were killed by an elementalist…

U did already 3 times.

In order to discuss you should post some data (not 30/30/30/30/30 builds) and not just complain around the forum….

people already explained you many times even in thief forum how to play……(i lurk there) so stop it.

p.S. also your post are hilarious….expecially that in thoief section where u say l2p if you cannot react to a thief Killing u in 1 second….

As if in an online game is possible to react in 1 second….
Don t even try as a competitive fighting game player i already explained in depth why its not possible….

dreztina.4820:

These posts are always filled with so many imaginary numbers.

But ya, this is why my d/d ele runs a full suit of zerker’s armor. Ele’s don’t tank, we avoid damage. If we get focused, we die regardless of what we are wearing. So what is the point of giving up a huge amount of damage for survivability you won’t even use?

Better Question,
How much damage do you do when your dead.

NightyNight.1823:

D/D eles complaying BS thieves are OP.
This ,Right Here , is the most ridiculous thread on forum right now.

The OP is playing S/D…

It’s like you actually want people to point and laugh when you post.

Solori.6025:

dreztina.4820:

These posts are always filled with so many imaginary numbers.

But ya, this is why my d/d ele runs a full suit of zerker’s armor. Ele’s don’t tank, we avoid damage. If we get focused, we die regardless of what we are wearing. So what is the point of giving up a huge amount of damage for survivability you won’t even use?

Better Question,
How much damage do you do when your dead.

I almost never die, so you’d have better luck asking someone else that question.

READ AND LEARN!

Did you even read the combat log?

First off to point out That thief wasn’t even using backstab that was Sword/Dagger. He stealth all of once. The numbers he put out aren’t far off from my own thief S/D and since I run P/V/T it seems consistent that hes wasn’t true burst. On top of that you never hit him. What makes this even sadder he killed you with auto attack and and finished the chain once http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Crippling_Strike which is the hardest hitting skill. He gap closes you twice once at the start (steal) another in the middle (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Infiltrator%27s_Strike). Trait I can tell you he used by looking at the numbers are http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mug for sure and likely http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Executioner he procs sigil of air once.

There is a chance he pushed quickness but that as normal combo takes forever. This is a fight you should have won (given the fact hes not actually shutting you down see http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tactical_Strike). You have so many tools to win this type of fight that there’s no need to point each one out.

You also failed to link your healing power (810 in my build). Your stats are better than mine Defensively and offensively in terms of raw power bu this is a fight i probably would have won (at the very least it would have taken forever to down me his dps is middle of the road). As far as the numbers and your Defense those number are correct. That should have been a very long fight (those are not big numbers). So honestly I think this came down to a failure or your part OP. You stood there and he hit you its as simple as that.

TL;DR

Read the wall too many of you are grossly miss informed.

You’re a bad ele. Why are you even using a scepter? D/D destroyes a thief. I can tell you were just fleeing because you didn’t HIT HIM AT ALL. I’m glad he killed you with S/D autoattack, it makes it more satisfying. You had your 3 cantrips!