Guild Wars 2

The ice bow is already never used in pvp (except by me because I try to not just play meta cookie cutter builds).

Why nerf a skill to the point where it will never be used again?

I played my icebow with settler. There is still the bleed to it I suppose, but no way to break a diamond skin now.

Because the skill had the capacity to do far too much damage against large hit box enemies in PvE. It would have greatly impacted raids, which are being released in beta form next week. It was a good change, and something that should have happened a while ago.

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in pve, ice bow was severely broken. It was doing damage far outside of what it should have been doing as mentioned by others already. in fact, I was a video a couple weeks ago where the ice bow did something far beyond anything I thought was even possible.

apparently it can also be done with meteor storm, but unlike meteor storm you could hand out ice bows to other people too.

posthumecaver.6473:

because of this

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Please stop linking this video. You are poisoning the minds of innocent people.

Wouldn’t a 20% damage nerf accomplish the same goal without making the utility worthless?

I’m sorry, but Nemesis has a point, and in all of everyone’s rantings and ravings I have yet to see it disproved.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

I’m sorry, but Nemesis has a point, and in all of everyone’s rantings and ravings I have yet to see it disproved.

What point are you referring to?

The part where he claimed everyone line casts? Seriously, I’ve done about 500 dungeon runs and 100 fractal runs in the past 6 months. No one line casts. It is way too unreliable.

Neko.9021:

Because the skill had the capacity to do far too much damage against large hit box enemies in PvE. It would have greatly impacted raids, which are being released in beta form next week. It was a good change, and something that should have happened a while ago.

I always thought they should have made #4 and Meteor shower AoEs instead of actual projectiles. Sure, that’s less ‘cool’ but then you don’t get huge differences based on target size.

thrag.9740:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

I’m sorry, but Nemesis has a point, and in all of everyone’s rantings and ravings I have yet to see it disproved.

What point are you referring to?

The part where he claimed everyone line casts? Seriously, I’ve done about 500 dungeon runs and 100 fractal runs in the past 6 months. No one line casts. It is way too unreliable.

He never claimed everyone linecasts. He claimed that the icebow as a whole is artificially inflating the DPS numbers of everyone else in the party.

thrag.9740:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

I’m sorry, but Nemesis has a point, and in all of everyone’s rantings and ravings I have yet to see it disproved.

What point are you referring to?

The part where he claimed everyone line casts? Seriously, I’ve done about 500 dungeon runs and 100 fractal runs in the past 6 months. No one line casts. It is way too unreliable.

Because you pug?

Ice Bow will still be viable and still do some damage, its just that your party will have to do something else rather than pick up the extra ice bow and press #4

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

He never claimed everyone linecasts. He claimed that the icebow as a whole is artificially inflating the DPS numbers of everyone else in the party.

11:23 in his video. “The icebow with the linecasting exploit is so ridiculously overpowered that it literally single handedly imbalanced the entire game. And there are all these unpleasant side effects. The first side effect, is that it makes the fights so short, that you might be fooled into thinking you do more dps than you actually do”.

27:20 in his video “The entire zerker meta is literally builds that were never designed to function in a complex pve environment, bur rather they were made for the sole purpose of amplifying the use of a broken mechanic, ice bow, while exploiting with line casting”

It sounds to me like he is claiming icebow is pretty much always used with linecasting.

For the record, I also think his proposed solution is better than what anet has done. He proposed a maximum number of hits done to a single target through a single icestorm. This would tone down the damage done to larger targets while leaving the damage done to smaller targets alone. This would have been nice, because icebow is already unreliable against single small targets such as mai trin and arch diviner.

Iris Ng.9845:

Because you pug?

Completely valid critisism. I pretty much only pug, although I have done runs with organized groups and they never line casted either. Again line casting is very unreliable.

However, my guess is that purple miku mostly does organized runs (when he isn’t solo), and he also seems pretty convinced that line casting is rarely used.

Also, here is a fairly recent video of DnT killing lupi in 11 seconds. Notice no line casting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1UoLamBy5k

Here is the most recent record attempt video I could find on the dungeon forums. Final boss starts at 5:50. No line casting used. https://youtu.be/GcZEx8ELb6g?t=5m50s

Here is the first video I found when I searched “casual COE run” in youtube. I went and watched the first subject alpha fight as well as the golumn fight. No line casting that I saw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeqX8nez8oc

Now, granted, this isn’t a very large sample size. But most of the evidence I have seen points to line casting being a very rarely used tactic in both pugs and organized groups.

since there a lot of talk about line casting here is a little thing about it…. it is super unreliable… if ur target moves at least a little closer to u or away from u, u wont do any dmg to it…

u would think that targets with big hit boxes make it easier to line cast on, but then there is no point to since the bigger target will hit by all the ice shards anyway…

what anet should do is cap the number of hit ice bow does to a single target down to 8 (1/3 of total shards).. because the current change to it simply makes ice bow as useless as all the other conjures.

Purple Miku.7032:

posthumecaver.6473:

because of this

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Please stop linking this video. You are poisoning the minds of innocent people.

You think so.

Who cares…..

Look like developers think like us, music to my ears…

https://youtu.be/K2ZHhJQn0B8?t=69

Iris Ng.9845:

Because you pug?

You know you can learn a lot of things by puging. Playing with different players have draw back but have also some advantages. You tend to stagnate when playing everyday with the same players.