Guild Wars 2

Cant do anything in pvp. I always get killed in 1-2 seconds. Cant deal any damage, hardly can take down half of hp with every skills i have. Currently playing dagger dagger ele. Tried many different builds and such, and still the same. I just dont get it. Can anyone explain to me please? What am i doing wrong, what should i do? I want to be better, and im ready to learn hard. Any help appreciated.

Sorry for my english.

zaMut.1654:

Cant do anything in pvp. I always get killed in 1-2 seconds. Cant deal any damage, hardly can take down half of hp with every skills i have. Currently playing dagger dagger ele. Tried many different builds and such, and still the same. I just dont get it. Can anyone explain to me please? What am i doing wrong, what should i do? I want to be better, and im ready to learn hard. Any help appreciated.

Sorry for my english.

As a beginner, I recommend you to try the popular build 0/10/0/30/30. It’s easy to master and you won’t die in 1-2 seconds anymore. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Guide-Mastering-the-D-D-ele-5-12-12/first If you can post a video with you pvping then we can tell what area you need improvement and thus help you further.

LightningBlaze linked an excellent forum post, but the short end of the stick is this:

You cant be good at everything.

If you’re going to deal the uber damages, you’re going to be fragile.

If you’re going to live (through just about anything as eles are one of the toughest classes in the game), then your damage is going to be terri-bawlz.

gear choices always matter much, much more then spec as far as survivability and damage output. the 0/10/0/30/30 is the most common, as with 10k base hp we are pretty much pigeon-holed into water for HP/condi removal and at least 20 in arcane for reasonable swap times, so why not go 30 and get a cool talent like evasive arcana.

Typical ele gear choice is clerics almost all the way around, which means really really bad damage, and very hard to kill. As much as Anet wants to kill the Ele-cantrip bunker spec, eles will be bunkering until dps has reasonable survivability elsewhere, which will be never. so, bunker it is.

Go full Berzerker, get a staff (also berzerker), and follow the zerg. Point your big circles at the enemy, get bags. Apparently it is ANet’s intention to make Eles into fragile, low damage, AoE capped Arrow Carts.

Sadly, the trend of Ele balance is quickly following the GW1 style, where the only competitive build was the ER bonder/healer.

Maybe ele is just not a class for you…

This is a joke srsly… tried several builds and no result. nothing changes i keep dieing in 2sec. And cant deal any damage. Its not about ele is not for me. I just cant get this mechanics at all. Its weird for me. It looks like im lvl2 and they are lvl 40. I cant do anything, ANYTHING. I can deal 5k dmg with all skills, while i get ONE hit and lose 7khp! wtf? Mesmers and thiefs flash non stop all these illusions…. Warriors nonstop healing… And what can i possibly do to them? with my 5k dmg and insta death?

Ele’s have very good sustain and boons that make a well played ele hard to kill/lockdown. If you havn’t already, re-key bind your attunements. Attunement are your most important skills, they need to be fast response times. Water to cleanse a imob before burst, or earth for mitigation from protection. Practise on chieftain or golems in the mists untill your skills and attunements flow smoothly.

Hm.. What build did u try? What Specs did u trait into? Have you read the D/D Phoenix Build Guide? Have you watched some Elementalist Video in action in PvP? Have you known about the basic rotation of Eles? Have you known some trick on Eles? I can tell you some when we met in person. And btw, Eles is not a joke, it is a force to be reckon with but by saying so, I don’t mean ELES is OP, so don’t flame on me

if nothing else find some people who have some skills in pvp who would be willing to help you and stick with them. that way you’ll get a chance to actually try things and even if you make a mistake you’ll have back-up. and over time you’ll learn what does and doesn’t work, build up for confidence and before you know it standing on your own.

Just remember NO one started out good, and if they did then its because of past experience in other MMO’s or just pure luck.

Here is a video talking about rotation at 17:50 which i find very useful. Watch it for more understanding. Nice to talk to you tonight and wish you will be a good Eles in a very near future.

^About this vid

The trait that shares auras with your allies is UTTERLY USELESS…

I tested it in WvW and it gives you the auras, plus possibly one other person if they are stood on top of you…really the 30 point trait is BROKEN…

Also just to be extra useless there is only 3 auras, 1 on main dagger, 1 on off hand dagger and 1 on staff, all on different weapons and in different attunements…

Finally, they last for a few seconds, not long enough to do much really…

Really, the only powerful part of the dagger/dagger build is the 3 cantrips/traits around them BUT of course you can use them with ANY weapon set…so why dagger/dagger? Just so you can die more often probably by being in close range, rather than at 900 or 1200 range with alternative weapon sets…

I so am NOT a dagger/dagger fan…

Meglobob.8620:

^About this vid

The trait that shares auras with your allies is UTTERLY USELESS…

I tested it in WvW and it gives you the auras, plus possibly one other person if they are stood on top of you…really the 30 point trait is BROKEN…

Also just to be extra useless there is only 3 auras, 1 on main dagger, 1 on off hand dagger and 1 on staff, all on different weapons and in different attunements…

Finally, they last for a few seconds, not long enough to do much really…

Really, the only powerful part of the dagger/dagger build is the 3 cantrips/traits around them BUT of course you can use them with ANY weapon set…so why dagger/dagger? Just so you can die more often probably by being in close range, rather than at 900 or 1200 range with alternative weapon sets…

I so am NOT a dagger/dagger fan…

The video is just a basic step for anyone who is new to the Eles. And I think the Op is talking about PvP, not WvW. In WvW, you can even run a Berzerker Eles and still do fine, but it is a certain Death in PvP. The Aurashare is a strong build. “They last for a few seconds, not long enough to do much really…” is where you deadly wrong. First, you are able to give 5 allies near you Permanent Swiftness and Fury thanks to Air 1. Second, WvW is where all about AOE shine. If they AOE in your group of 5 with Frost Aura up, the frezze duration will stack up and they won’t see themselves move away anytime soon. Sure they can cleans it but that jut means you just take away one of their disposal for surviving. If not, they are the free kill your zerg. Same will apply with Static Aura, Stun duration also stack ups.

You are not a D/D fan, you don;t have to, just play what set you are comfortable with. Again, the Video is just a basic guideline to those who is Fresh New to Elementalist. It is not the fact or has to be a build that you have to force yourself upon. So just play what you feel like

Cheera.

Watch your conditions. Confusion and Retaliation will kill you faster than anyone else can for example. Recognize all the conditions. Know which you have to remove and which ones can stay awhile. They are small icons. I wish we could customize the gui and put them where they are more visable. Looking down to see them is a pain.

Check your combat log to see where your damage is coming from.

The successful PvP eles know what the other classes are capable of and can anticipate what their next move is. So, it’s not just about doing your rotation. Many of a classes moves are telegraphed in advance. In other words, knowing how to play all the classes is a huge advantage. If you know ahead of time what conditions you will be getting and how often that helps alot. If you can anticipate what big damage skill the other class has you can dodge or move out of range to avoid it.

PvP is not for everyone. The best never look at their keyboard. Their fingers dance on the keys faster than the eye can follow. As has been said, everyone sucks at the beginning. If you stick with it you will be successful.

Know your limitations. You obviously are not skillful enough right now to hold a point so don’t accept that assignment. Nor can you go solo and take a point. If that’s all that you get, fine, trial by fire lol. If you can , be a roamer and run with another in a group of two. Maybe, go in with someone you know and run together. Often the pick up matches are kind of unorganized anyway. That way you will have someone looking after your back.

Study the other classes in the wiki. Talk to others who play other classes. Check out their forums. Like that. If you want to be consistantly successful, you have to know what you are up against.

Meglobob.8620:

^About this vid

The trait that shares auras with your allies is UTTERLY USELESS…

I tested it in WvW and it gives you the auras, plus possibly one other person if they are stood on top of you…really the 30 point trait is BROKEN…

Also just to be extra useless there is only 3 auras, 1 on main dagger, 1 on off hand dagger and 1 on staff, all on different weapons and in different attunements…

Finally, they last for a few seconds, not long enough to do much really…

Really, the only powerful part of the dagger/dagger build is the 3 cantrips/traits around them BUT of course you can use them with ANY weapon set…so why dagger/dagger? Just so you can die more often probably by being in close range, rather than at 900 or 1200 range with alternative weapon sets…

I so am NOT a dagger/dagger fan…

Powerful Auras is a great trait -.-

if your going to do any kind of dps oriented spec, you are going to HAVE to be good at lots of different aspects of the game, you will get hit hard by a lot of professions. You will need to understand other professions abilities and how to counter / avoid them.

as others have stated, you should start with a more forgiving bunker spec while you get used to how an Ele works with atonement etc… I’ve switched out of bunker builds and now run S/f glass builds for sPvP and S/D Glass builds for WvW, I can go toe to toe with other glass professions (even thieves) but you have to be at your best and its very unforgiving, but rewarding when you win

Shar.3402:

Meglobob.8620:

^About this vid

The trait that shares auras with your allies is UTTERLY USELESS…

I tested it in WvW and it gives you the auras, plus possibly one other person if they are stood on top of you…really the 30 point trait is BROKEN…

Also just to be extra useless there is only 3 auras, 1 on main dagger, 1 on off hand dagger and 1 on staff, all on different weapons and in different attunements…

Finally, they last for a few seconds, not long enough to do much really…

Really, the only powerful part of the dagger/dagger build is the 3 cantrips/traits around them BUT of course you can use them with ANY weapon set…so why dagger/dagger? Just so you can die more often probably by being in close range, rather than at 900 or 1200 range with alternative weapon sets…

I so am NOT a dagger/dagger fan…

Powerful Auras is a great trait -.-

Why?

When I used it in WvW it only effected me and one other person, if your lucky…

Does it work differently in PvP? Does it effect you and your other 4 team members?

I have all 8 character classes and dagger/dagger and the Auras don’t impress me buildwise…I think dagger/dagger just increases a Elementalist’s chances of dieing because your in close range combat…it seems to negatively effect mistform too. In WvW as a staff ele, mistform saves me from dieing 80% of the time, however as a dagger/dagger ele, I can’t escape using mistform, I seem to get pinned in place. I am assuming that there is some ability that effects mistform when your in melee range?

Powerful aura is great if you’re running with groups, especially if it’s coordinated and mostly the same combat range as you.

The only reason to not take powerful aura as an elementalist is if you run solo (since you have no one to share your aura), but if you run with a group, that fury+swiftness+ either stun or chill (and -10% damage taken) is pretty useful.

you are forgetting something very important, irregardless of profession.

situation awareness -

- nobody is intended to survive 1 vs many. zoom out, scan the situation. if you die, look around see understand why – it is easy to tunnel vision during 1v1, and not notice other players in the fight till its too late. a warrior can charge a sniping shot from max distance for 25k dmg if you didnt notice him.

- many players spec for burst damage, accept that. it means the 1st thing to do if you get jumped on is to retreat/ dodge/ cantrip out of the burst dps. many professions can burst you easily – rangers, thiefs, warriors, guardians, etc. if you survive the first 3 seconds – you likely survive the next 10 seconds.

- since you’re D/D, you have tonnes of offensive/ defensive auras – e.g. air aura alone can stun attackers in 240 range. use auras early!