Would this build work as a raid tank?
Would you be able to tank the vale guardian with this build? Yes, definitely. Is this build effective in beating the Vale Guardian? Not really imho.
Traits:
The traits seem to be pretty ok. Tempest trait line is the best choice by far, and earth fits the tank role 100%. Then, depending on your preference, fire air or water cone in third. Air will keep up your damage, fire enables you to build into condi and water would enable you to double up as a healer. For a power build, I absolutely agree with your choice of dagger/focus. The utilities seem ok as well. You might want to swap out “Flash-Freeze” to something else, like glyph of storms.
Now for the stats:
Since the damage from the Vale Guardian fight mainly DOES NOT derive from the Vale Guardian himself, but rather from area pressure (seekers, green circles, glowing pizza parts), the tank only needs as much takiness as is absolutely necessary. Therfore, I must advise against soldiers. With all the flat reduction the build has (40% protection, frost aura etc) staying alive in mostly zerk with some knights mixed in should be possible. The runes and the food also provide toughness, and as long as you have the most of the group, you should be fine.
Sigils and runes:
Damage sigils (air, force) would be preferable if it is within the budget. The same goes for scolar runes. Scrapper runes fit the tempest tank well, and should most definitely be taken into consideration if survivability is a problem. However, remember that even as a tank survivability should NOT be overdone.
Food:
Food is probably the best way for a tank to bring in toughness. However, if you really want to go crazy on the flat damage reduction, try out mussel food
This is all the advise I can give you with the experience I have with raids. I never tanked myself, since there always was someone stacking up toughness. Remember, try to lose as least damage as possible, surviving is NOT your only role as a tank!
I think there is many modification to do.
First as said Roel, the stuff. 2K toughess is a LOOOOOT. Especially considering that the more time goes the more druid are getting zealot and condi are getting viper. (something similar to a good chrono tank would be interesting, commander armor with leadership runes, remaining of zerker stuff, keep some toughness trincket till condi tank and druid with cleric become a tiny tiny minority))
Now on trait:
Tempest and earth are mandatory we all agree on that.
What i would change on those 2trait line tho:
Stone earth: i dont think the ValeG’s auto can actually crit. I’d take written in stone to use the activ of signet of fire ( with your build and it’s poor stats and without stack power it deals decent damage … imagine with better stats and 25might. You can use it during dead time out of air (#ele’s AA are the best)).
Invigorating torrent: regeneration and vigor are kinda useless on this boss. If you’re planning on using Fresh air (which you are) it would be sad to not take the 10% damage bonus
On the weapon set:
What are the gain on taking Focus ?
Well, aside from Obsidian flesh ….. litterally nothing, ALL other spells are USELESS (hard CCs are nice but your mate should all hav eit, and soft CCs are very very bad (in case you plan to NOT cc the ValeG during P3 or P5 cause you were late to pull him into the right tier). The dispell are useless (E4), no comment on swirling wind, fire focus’s spells are weaker than dagger or war horn.
Warhorn:
It hurts me a lot to say this but: Warhorn is actually a very good pve raid weapon ….
The might stack from fire is goooooood
Water skills are good, i see you water field that i can solo blast!
Air could see a freaking buff (like #5 following the target … well since you’re the tank, during P3 and P5, you can throw it in the direction you’re pulling the boss for extra ticks i guess)
Sandsquale with reduced cd is kitten good (if you can use it when celerity is up, it’s huge).
3rd trait line:
Water is out, no doubt on it ?
Fire or Air ?
Here i’m mixed.
I tend to say that Air would be better due to the Fresh air abuse.
But fire still gives 10% damage modifier (not worth losing fresh air i know) and some other dps increase (burning on crit is nice), but the main reason is the fire CDR that synchronize sandsquall, wild fire and heat sinc. (also the cdr on burning speed is nice cause you can easily dodge blue with it). I tend to say: if you’re lacking might stack, go for fire, other, go for air
Sum up:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJBIhdSfJ0fJW2AYhJwhJWaAM3Lbnd0OsC6AvAhAZA4DC-TxRIAB7o0DgHAAX6BASZw4q/o++DKpEkUAXsMC-e
I let scrapper runes cause boon duration is not that OP on tempest (already perma of boons procing on aura)
Further:
i really donno what could replace flash freeze, if you have any idea ^^
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It does the job well :-)
(edited by Mattmatt.4962)
Invigorating torrent: regeneration and vigor are kinda useless on this boss. If you’re planning on using Fresh air (which you are) it would be sad to not take the 10% damage bonus
Yea, I was kinda torn on that decision too, but I just wanted to have extra dodges for the blue aoe, since we plan on stacking next to a pylon for speed mushrooms. But yea, maybe I just have to see for myself if I actually need extra dodge. (the CD on blue aoe is 10s right? So even without vigor I would be able to dodge his blue aoe?)
Ty for all your comments, I haven’t tanked the boss yet, so I didn’t really know about having lower toughness isn’t that bad. Btw, does boss agro lowest toughness or armor?
Edit: just check the mussels soup 0.0 Those are some really killer stats….
(edited by Tomiyou.3790)
Since, the christmas break is starting soon and I’m going to have a lot of time again, I figured I could finally get myself into raiding. With all your feedback and videos from other ppl on the internet, I rebuild my build. Here it is (food is Bowl of Lemongrass Mussel Pasta for that 10% extra dmg reduction and 70 toughness): http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJBIhdSfJ0fJW2AYhJwhJWaAM3L7md0ScEKCxAhAZA4DC-TFCBQB8QdlcoSxB3f4MKBxiyPAcCAShegA8AAEFUGB-w
Opinions (possibly from people that have already completed the raid wing)?