Guild Wars 2

No buts. I’m tired of posts like the above.

I mean, who ARE you to say elementalists can’t play some weapons? Just look at the so-called mage weapons. The staff is a classic weapon of mages, right? Well, the n when you look past tradition, it’s really just a stick. A stick that somehow makes fireballs appear.

Silly right? No, not really, because it’s already been explained in so many different ways to allow suspension of belief. We channel our energies through it as a conduit, allowing to put forth a form for our thoughts. We imbue it with magic and use our thoughts through discipline to make use of it. Or somebody stuffs a bunch of fireballs into a stick and uses it to set things on fire.

When daggers were announced as elementalist weapons, it quickly became controversial, as they weren’t quite traditional weapons.

Fast forward a year later and nobody bats an eye when an elementalist conjres forth a whip made of lighning using daggers.

So really, I know some of you want swords, hammers, and bows for elementalists. That’s totally fine. Just don’t call us idiots who want weapons that YOU simply don’t like.

Daggers have been mage weapons since the dawn of dnd. It was usually their weak physical option but it’s still classic… just like our pathetic health pool.

An Athame is probably the most legit “mage” type weapon, more of a tool really, you don’t see the Ele stabbing people with it do you?

Sceptre (wand) and Staff have also been very traditional.

But regardless, Ele has nothing to do with mechanical things, just like you won’t see a Ranger use guns or even a staff (and use magic) it’s just not how these classes are in this IP.

Then look at it gameplay wise, we already have Staff for long range dmg, maybe Rifle would be more single target but still. We’d probably get something like sword or axe with 600-900 range before we see that.

Even then I’m getting the feeling Anet is going to just introduce entirely new weapons altogether to give to classes instead of existing ones.

I think it is unlikely that Eles will get a regular option for any of the weapons they already have as conjures.

Also, I think certain weapons are strongly associated with different fantasy archetypes—bows, for instance, are usually paired with archers. It might be difficult to reimagine these weapons in a way that is unique to mages but still true to the “spirit” of the weapon.

Look, I actually like your ideas, and I would much rather have a new weapon, even rifle, than nothing at all, but it’s so unlikely to happen, just as unlikely as Rangers getting staff and turning into druids, it’s just now what the classes do in the IP.

I personally would probably prefer Longbow over Rifle if I had to choose, but just because the whole utility elemental Bow attack thing is really awesome lol.

A rifle is just a hollowed out staff. If you’re an enchanter you could imbue your ammo and fire magic bullets. Kinda like a modern day Spellsword.

Iv always connected the High Priest performing human sacrifices using a ceremonial dagger as the origin of mages using daggers.

Edit: Rangers have several “nature magic” utility skills such as spirits and the great sword kinda counts as nature magic. And the Entangle elite is pure nature magic.
It wouldn’t be a stretch to give them a staff to fully embrace the nature magic. imo at least.

Jabberwock.9014:

Daggers have been mage weapons since the dawn of dnd. It was usually their weak physical option but it’s still classic… just like our pathetic health pool.

Point taken. But, so have guns been a part of magic lore. To be frank, I don’t see what’s stopping guns from becoming tools of magic.

Knote.2904:

An Athame is probably the most legit “mage” type weapon, more of a tool really, you don’t see the Ele stabbing people with it do you?

Sceptre (wand) and Staff have also been very traditional.

But regardless, Ele has nothing to do with mechanical things, just like you won’t see a Ranger use guns or even a staff (and use magic) it’s just not how these classes are in this IP.

Then look at it gameplay wise, we already have Staff for long range dmg, maybe Rifle would be more single target but still. We’d probably get something like sword or axe with 600-900 range before we see that.

Even then I’m getting the feeling Anet is going to just introduce entirely new weapons altogether to give to classes instead of existing ones.

I don’t get it. How is a stick better than a rifle? You got a barrel that fires things. Replace bullets with magic. Voila! And it has already been done with mesmers.

Who said elementalists can’t use mechanical things? Hmm? And rangers can’t use guns or staves? Who also said that? I understand theme is important but you’re just not seeing it’s totally possible to use those weapons with the afformentioned theme. Also, all professions feature some form of magic or energy. Even warriors and their ability to channel their rage into powerful moves, and engineers who use electricity and chemistry to produce spectacular effects. As for rangers, they’re basically sold as wardens of nature. Staves would allow them to tap into the more magical aspect of nature, much like druids, and guns allow rangers to pull away a little bit away from nature as a ranged attacker on the modern side.

Yes yes, that’s the whole point of rifles. Single target. I don’t want a reskinned staff.

I’m afraid of that last part. All we can do is wait.

Imagi.4561:

I think it is unlikely that Eles will get a regular option for any of the weapons they already have as conjures.

Also, I think certain weapons are strongly associated with different fantasy archetypes—bows, for instance, are usually paired with archers. It might be difficult to reimagine these weapons in a way that is unique to mages but still true to the “spirit” of the weapon.

Arrows made of fire, blah blah blah. Done before many times.

Dagger & off hand was also best in warcraft, not staff, because the two items gave better stats then a single staff. Used to make me cringe to see others using staff in pvp

Even more so once you add two enchantments.

Completely agree though.
But considering the mindset/state of this games balancing team, it`ll only turn out bad if/when they give us more options…

/places bet

Knote.2904:

Look, I actually like your ideas, and I would must rather have a new weapon, even rifle, than nothing at all, but it’s so unlikely to happen, just as unlikely as Rangers getting staff and turning into druids, it’s just now what the classes do in the IP.

I personally would probably prefer Longbow over Rifle if I had to choose, but just because the whole utility elemental Bow attack thing is really awesome lol.

I totally understand, I also looove longbows. I’ll work on a skillset later. But I’m throwing my rifle ideas out there because I enjoy elementalists. I’m not a developer. I’m just a player. So I’m not sure why people enjoy saying no to me as if I have some real power.

And you like my ideas? Aww shucks…

Azunai.5974:

Jabberwock.9014:

Daggers have been mage weapons since the dawn of dnd. It was usually their weak physical option but it’s still classic… just like our pathetic health pool.

Point taken. But, so have guns been a part of magic lore. To be frank, I don’t see what’s stopping guns from becoming tools of magic.

Knote.2904:

An Athame is probably the most legit “mage” type weapon, more of a tool really, you don’t see the Ele stabbing people with it do you?

Sceptre (wand) and Staff have also been very traditional.

But regardless, Ele has nothing to do with mechanical things, just like you won’t see a Ranger use guns or even a staff (and use magic) it’s just not how these classes are in this IP.

Then look at it gameplay wise, we already have Staff for long range dmg, maybe Rifle would be more single target but still. We’d probably get something like sword or axe with 600-900 range before we see that.

Even then I’m getting the feeling Anet is going to just introduce entirely new weapons altogether to give to classes instead of existing ones.

I don’t get it. How is a stick better than a rifle? You got a barrel that fires things. Replace bullets with magic. Voila! And it has already been done with mesmers.

Who said elementalists can’t use mechanical things? Hmm? And rangers can’t use guns or staves? Who also said that? I understand theme is important but you’re just not seeing it’s totally possible to use those weapons with the afformentioned theme. Also, all professions feature some form of magic or energy. Even warriors and their ability to channel their rage into powerful moves, and engineers who use electricity and chemistry to produce spectacular effects. As for rangers, they’re basically sold as wardens of nature. Staves would allow them to tap into the more magical aspect of nature, much like druids, and guns allow rangers to pull away a little bit away from nature as a ranged attacker on the modern side.

Yes yes, that’s the whole point of rifles. Single target. I don’t want a reskinned staff.

I’m afraid of that last part. All we can do is wait.

Imagi.4561:

I think it is unlikely that Eles will get a regular option for any of the weapons they already have as conjures.

Also, I think certain weapons are strongly associated with different fantasy archetypes—bows, for instance, are usually paired with archers. It might be difficult to reimagine these weapons in a way that is unique to mages but still true to the “spirit” of the weapon.

Arrows made of fire, blah blah blah. Done before many times.

It’s Anet’s IP, that’s just how the classes are….

XelNigma.6315:

A rifle is just a hollowed out staff. If you’re an enchanter you could imbue your ammo and fire magic bullets. Kinda like a modern day Spellsword.

Iv always connected the High Priest performing human sacrifices using a ceremonial dagger as the origin of mages using daggers.

Edit: Rangers have several “nature magic” utility skills such as spirits and the great sword kinda counts as nature magic. And the Entangle elite is pure nature magic.
It wouldn’t be a stretch to give them a staff to fully embrace the nature magic. imo at least.

Exactly this. Go watch Outlaw Star if you havn’t yet. The main character has a gun that fires bullets loaded with magic and they are kitten.

Id love to be able to have a sword for my elementalist. Greatsword/1h sword. Doesnt matter just a kitteng sword x3.

Rooster Teeth is known for being able to make weapons work in new ways.

In Rwby Weiss(White) – uses a magical sword that has elemental effects. :o

Its possible, A-Net just has to get creative with it

Magically embue my sword depending on attunement with some melee action plz.

Azunai.5974:

Imagi.4561:

I think it is unlikely that Eles will get a regular option for any of the weapons they already have as conjures.

Also, I think certain weapons are strongly associated with different fantasy archetypes—bows, for instance, are usually paired with archers. It might be difficult to reimagine these weapons in a way that is unique to mages but still true to the “spirit” of the weapon.

Arrows made of fire, blah blah blah. Done before many times.

I was using a bow as an example. Also, “fire arrows” sounds like a rehash of traditional archer preparations. In my opinion, that really isn’t changing the weapon to fit the style of a nontraditional class, but I suppose it’s a difficult balance to strike.

I think the point remains that Eles are unlikely to get weapons they already receive in conjures. Otherwise, conjures would be rather pointless.

Easy solution to that, change the conjures into elemental embues on 15 charges.

Fire=Burning
Water=Chilling
Wind=Chance to stun
Earth=Bleeding