Guild Wars 2

with 20% less cd cleaning famed has an lesser cooldown and mist formed is buged it does not have an lesser cd, so which one is better at spvp mist form obv better for wvw

Mist Form is still better.

You can’t guarantee a flag/revive simply by popping cleansing fire, and it’s also not going to save you if you get focussed by 3 guys chain stunning. Mist form can buy you those precious few seconds for an escape to come off cooldown, for backup to arrive, or any number of situations where it’s a case of ‘just a few seconds longer’.

The bigger question should be why are you not using both, given the fact that 90% of the other Ele utilities rank in on about a near-useless level and those 2 are in the top 4 – the gap of usefulness between 4th place and 5th place is approximate to the width of the Grand Canyon mind you.

Personally I go for the Earth Armor, Mist Form and Lightning Flash(I think, insta teleport) hadn’t even looked at any others for sPvP tbh.

Papaj.9035:

The bigger question should be why are you not using both, given the fact that 90% of the other Ele utilities rank in on about a near-useless level and those 2 are in the top 4 – the gap of usefulness between 4th place and 5th place is approximate to the width of the Grand Canyon mind you.

Because Lightning Flash and Armor of Earth are both stun breaks and can both be used in different ways to guarantee a Churning Earth landing (if you’re dagger offhand, like most non-support ele’s are). Whether by AofE providing stability/damage reduction for the duration of the long cast time, or by LF allowing you to move the position of the final blast mid-cast to ensure hits.

We can get personal condition removal from Water, and while Cleansing Fire is far from useless, the 2 alternatives provide more utility and options in my opinion.

cd isnt so important bc you prob wont be able to cleanse twice in 1 fight, and mist will prob be up by next fight

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Arc.9374:

Because Lightning Flash and Armor of Earth are both stun breaks and can both be used in different ways to guarantee a Churning Earth landing (if you’re dagger offhand, like most non-support ele’s are).

I bolded the issue, because they really don’t exist. Using a utility slot on lightning flash just to be able to ensure you land a Churning Earth is a bloody waste of 1) the spell and 2) a utility slot. Unless you’re trying to be a Thief and do hit and runs via Ride the Lightning and Lightning Flash (at which point just roll a Thief, they’re infinitely better at it than you could ever hope to be) even flash is a big waste compared to the other 3 utilities in this thread.

My 4th highest ranked utility goes to Lightning Hammer (Mist Form, Armor of Earth, and Cleansing Flame all rank above that). Give Mjolnir to a Ranger who pops Entangle and gives himself 8 seconds of haste and watch things drop while he heals himself and blinds everything around him every second.

No one uses Lightning Flash for just to land Churning Eeath. We use it everywhere. Chasing enemies, making a quick distance from chasers, to land Churning Earth, to break stuns or even immobilize with proper regeneration-condition cure traits. Using utility for just one purpose is a bloody waste of 1) the spell and 2) a utility slot.

Besides, landing Churning Earth can be turning point of the fight. The skill is like a semi-ultimate of daggers. For those who don’t dodge away from the ring of Churning Earth effect, we can save Lightning Flash. For those who dodge away from the ring, we use Lightning Flash and hit them with Churning Earth. Both cases we either saved the utility or used it right. Certainly the enemy can cure the stacks of bleeding though, there are a lot of people who don’t bring enough condition cure ability because they want to hit foes harder with offensive abilities, so landing Churning Earth after they used up condition cure abilities can be lethal to them.

Chasing is dumb in both sPvP and WvW. And every Ele I’ve seen in WvW who uses flash uses it to run away, because they thought they were going to charge in and Rambo me down because they have 2 hard hitting spells but it turns out they really don’t hit that hard.

Also, I appreciate you trying to turn around my words against me, and for a minute I thought it was a legitimate reversal, but then I realized it was a mere restatement and near confirmation. Either way, you’re stating that you use flash for catching up to them, be it to land Churning Earth, or to keep up with them after the fact. I suppose you did mention its use as a gap opener, which is why I said near confirmation. But at that point, you’ve lost the fight anyway, just die with dignity and grace so that you can get back to Lion’s Arch quicker and roll staff and not need to worry about it.

End talking. No more words for stupids.

Lighning Flash has a way lower cd than Armor of Earth. Thus I take Lighning Flash and no Armor of Earth. Lower Cd means more stunbreaks.