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Posted by: Judge.9537

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Hello !

I have problems building my elementalist,so i need your help. Also, didn’t find any helpfull biuld in build category, so i crate new thread.

I can’t find/create ele,somthing like good burst/demage,and little survival. I got builded 30 30 0 0 10 bers juve , all 10 stats runes: Demage is awsome, but no survival only 14k hp.

Almoast i spent all my time in pvp. So help me find that kind of build , witch would be more balanced with DEMAGE and ilttle bit more survie, that i got now ithis glass cannon build.
THANK YOU

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Posted by: Intigo.1653

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S/D 20Air / 20 Water / 30 Arcana with double Arcane nuke & Mist Form.

Valkyrie with Berserker Jewel.

This, basically: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-k34;2B2-P0w47N-Z0;9;5J-JT;159;245-40ALJ;4G3G3G3G34BS

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Posted by: Zenith.7301

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Why s/d? Scepter is a bunker weapon — mainhand dagger will outburst and outdamage against any competent player. Scepter sustained damage is horrible as well.

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Posted by: Judge.9537

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i use D/D , so i ned biuld for d/d demage

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Posted by: Intigo.1653

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Why s/d? Scepter is a bunker weapon — mainhand dagger will outburst and outdamage against any competent player. Scepter sustained damage is horrible as well.

Because the Air burst is far superior. I prefer D/D, but many use S/D for that specific purpose.

If you want a D/D build simply run 0/15/0/25/30 with Valkyrie/Berserker mix.

And Judge, you need to copy-paste the link. It was just an example since Phantaram runs it.

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Posted by: Zenith.7301

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Why s/d? Scepter is a bunker weapon — mainhand dagger will outburst and outdamage against any competent player. Scepter sustained damage is horrible as well.

Because the Air burst is far superior. I prefer D/D, but many use S/D for that specific purpose.

If you want a D/D build simply run 0/15/0/25/30 with Valkyrie/Berserker mix.

And Judge, you need to copy-paste the link. It was just an example since Phantaram runs it.

How is air burst better than a Burning Speed>Ring of Fire combo with Arcane Wave and Missile? One combo gives me might stacks and hits aoe on top of it all — the other does not. Perhaps air burst can be done more frequently, but it is single target — and if you’re going for single target burst the mesmer and thief provide far better burst.

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Posted by: Intigo.1653

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Why s/d? Scepter is a bunker weapon — mainhand dagger will outburst and outdamage against any competent player. Scepter sustained damage is horrible as well.

Because the Air burst is far superior. I prefer D/D, but many use S/D for that specific purpose.

If you want a D/D build simply run 0/15/0/25/30 with Valkyrie/Berserker mix.

And Judge, you need to copy-paste the link. It was just an example since Phantaram runs it.

How is air burst better than a Burning Speed>Ring of Fire combo with Arcane Wave and Missile? One combo gives me might stacks and hits aoe on top of it all — the other does not. Perhaps air burst can be done more frequently, but it is single target — and if you’re going for single target burst the mesmer and thief provide far better burst.

The Burst in AIR comparatively between the 2 is obviously better for S/D. Some people prefer it because of that and the fact that it can take advantage of the Air X trait.

We’re also not talking about other classes.

Holy.

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Posted by: LordByron.8369

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i suggest you to use
10/10/0/30/20 cantrip buld
You can use mix of knight set with some vit and some crit dmg

get your damage from boons and combos rather than from raw power

GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.

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Posted by: Intigo.1653

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i suggest you to use
10/10/0/30/20 cantrip buld
You can use mix of knight set with some vit and some crit dmg

get your damage from boons and combos rather than from raw power

The “Cantrips grant Might” trait is utterly horrible. Using it over Evasive Arcana (which you can also use to stack Might with the Earth roll in your Fire fields) is a very bad idea.

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Posted by: LordByron.8369

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i suggest you to use
10/10/0/30/20 cantrip buld
You can use mix of knight set with some vit and some crit dmg

get your damage from boons and combos rather than from raw power

The “Cantrips grant Might” trait is utterly horrible. Using it over Evasive Arcana (which you can also use to stack Might with the Earth roll in your Fire fields) is a very bad idea.

a full combo with evasice arcana stacks much less might.

The good thing of evasive arcana is cond removal and some heling while in water….not for sure those maximum 3 might you get from earth EA VS 9 with cantrips

Pair that with the fact that cantrip build is easier to connect with more time margin while EA max might stack combo requires you to perform skills with NO time margin at all (means no time for positioning etc that makes the difference).

p.S. Cantrip grant might was also the standard build after ea nerf used by daphoenix and Others (me included)

I wouldn t say its horrible……(they used a different build btw) it was just left because cond removals and healing are more useful in PvP www than damage.

GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.

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Posted by: Judge.9537

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so you discuss,but do not tell me witch build i should be.
I need to know traits (with numbers) and runes.

what do you thinkl about: fire 30 (VI,VII.XII), air 10 (VI), arcane (V, I, XII)
knights amulet with bers jewel?

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Posted by: NdranC.5107

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i suggest you to use
10/10/0/30/20 cantrip buld
You can use mix of knight set with some vit and some crit dmg

get your damage from boons and combos rather than from raw power

The “Cantrips grant Might” trait is utterly horrible. Using it over Evasive Arcana (which you can also use to stack Might with the Earth roll in your Fire fields) is a very bad idea.

a full combo with evasice arcana stacks much less might.

The good thing of evasive arcana is cond removal and some heling while in water….not for sure those maximum 3 might you get from earth EA VS 9 with cantrips

Pair that with the fact that cantrip build is easier to connect with more time margin while EA max might stack combo requires you to perform skills with NO time margin at all (means no time for positioning etc that makes the difference).

p.S. Cantrip grant might was also the standard build after ea nerf used by daphoenix and Others (me included)

I wouldn t say its horrible……(they used a different build btw) it was just left because cond removals and healing are more useful in PvP www than damage.

Well, EA blast finisher can be done every 10 secs while part of a dps rotation and AoE for your party (my might stacks last 36 secs). Cantrips all have around 60+ seconds CD and are mostly defensive. Not everybody likes the idea of popping all your stunbreaks/defensive CD just for a couple might stacks every minute or so.

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Posted by: LordByron.8369

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for that there is another cantrip build i suggest you to look in daphoenix guide…
Reducing cantrips CD they get near to earth CD so the problems is no more.

Remmeber also the 25 water trait while applying defensive auras etc

GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.

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Posted by: Intigo.1653

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Oh wow, LordByron.

Sorry, but you are complete and utterly wrong. If daphoenix ever advocated it then he has even less of a clue than I originally thought. It has always been a bad trait.

How can you possibly say you would only get 3 from EA Might stacking? Area Might lasts for 20 seconds (prior to Boon Duration) and you have an attunement swap cooldown of ~10s. If the wiki is right, the Might granted from Spell Slinger lasts 15 seconds. How can you POSSIBLY think it’s better than Evasive Arcana?! I am not even taking into account that you would want to use your Cantrips appropriately as opposed to popping them simply to get Might stacks.

Why would you use the Cantrip CD reduction trait in the first place? The Regen/Vigor one is superior and very rarely would you want to skip Cleansing Wave.

Really now.

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Posted by: Swimsasa Stoon.8936

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burst is king that’s why the 9 might for 20ish seconds during your burst is better than a continuous might stack.

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Posted by: Intigo.1653

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burst is king that’s why the 9 might for 20ish seconds during your burst is better than a continuous might stack.

I don’t even…

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Posted by: ChaosDoom.8459

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To burst your cantrips for 9 stack of Might (15secs), you most probably can add Lightning Flash, Armor of Earth and Cleansing Flames as part of your Burst rotation.

Problem is you may have to leave Mist Form out and of course the CD for your burst would be at least 36 secs.

Depending on situation and personal preferences, LordBryon and Intigo have their points.

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Posted by: Swimsasa Stoon.8936

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I agree that EA is the better choice but I don’t like dodging. I prefer to just jump in and use fire combo fields + cantrips for 15 might, stability, lightning flash and no conditions on me when I use dagger earth 5 and 2 to stack 9 bleeds with 15 might does a couple thousand damage. If you leave out the might in that burst your damage is pretty much negligible. With boon duration runes and food most of those boons will last for 30ish seconds. Might only 20+ seconds so that’s when you stack some vulnerability and go in for a fiere aura sling at them while you’re waiting for the other cooldowns.