jack of all traits worst at everything.
I like to use staff when its siege time or when I do GvG but I get the impression that staff isn’t a direct damage weapon really. Its like mesmer staff looks like a condition weapon but it benefits the most from power.
Ele staff seems to come off to me as CC with some damage options but its main purpose is CC. I do feel like ele cc on staff is definitely not poor like someone said.
Lava font is easily dodge Ill agree there earth 2 is easily dodged but it has decent range despite what the animation shows.
When I do put on staff I usually go air for air 5, attempt a air 3. Then to earth for earth 5 with earth 2. Water I go water 2 then water 4. Fire I usually use auto attack with fire 3 lava font is for downed people or clumped groups same with meteor shower or I use meteor shower for some area denial/damage foes that are charging in.
When I use staff many of the attacks I attempt to predict the enemies movement this is usually zerging or GvG type of stuff. Many fields I lay behind the enemy because people attempt to retreat.
Sinnastor{Warrior}Sinnacle{Mesmer}Sintacs
{Thief}
Again, a situation where skills are put to the wrong use and then used to invalidate those skills and indeed the entire class.
Does no one in this thread know how to use a staff? This is just sad….
Show us, oh glorious PvP masters. Teach the peasants how staff is an amazing weapon and isn’t a free kill like every other person in the entire game thinks it is.
http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm
Here’s a free video capture program if you don’t have one. Show me your incredible use of staff.
Yes, and while you’re at it, show us how DD eles can escape any class with 40+ second cooldowns.
shrugs I’ll let someone else do the DD escape I play staff, but I’ll get some PvP footage once I can get my group together for PvP (tried to get them rallied for tonight but 2 are MIA ATM, hopefully I’ll have it by Thursday)
EDIT: I’ve been using Afterburner for years and never knew it was able to record…. wow i haven’t been using that to it’s full potential…
So I tried some pvp with staff as an ele and after 8 matches I died 20 times and killed 0.
My mesmer with staff 1st match I ever played most I’ve ever done with mesmer was reach lvl 6 and in my 1st match I got 15 kills and 2 deaths. Pretty sad for somebody who mains elementalist.
Well were you using the starter mesmer build? If so Congrats! you can kill people with a phantasm build! In short that means you can spawn illusions and not die before your illusions kill them yaaaaaaay go you, you showed the lowest skill floor build in the game that our high skill floor staff is worthless!! Oh wait…
Just because you can go in with one profs weapon and do decently doesn’t mean you can go in with ANY weapon on ANY prof and do decently, some weapons (such as ele staff) has a higher skill floor than others. Next you’re going to say that “Well i can do well with a Warrior GS but i don’t get anything done with a ranger GS!”
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna
Jack of all trades in a game with no trinity is a poor excuse for ANET and the players who ride it with different classes.
Let’s be honest. If this were any other game, Eles would be the ONLY specialized class since they are the only class that can not weapon swap during battle. Not including the lowest armor and lowest health pool in the game. Once an Ele chooses Staff, they are locked into range damage. Once an Ele chooses Dagger / Dagger, they are locked into melee damage. Eles must also sacrifice their extra skills to balance both of those out. All other classes do not. Not like the Ele does.
Any player that begun with any other class except and Ele, start one. Then head to the mists during PRIME TIME and test it out for yourself.
I sense an incoming “support” bunker staff vid. Well, I guess it’s still a staff build.
Also I want to mention that giving us higher HP is a great idea IMO. Same as mesmers, engies and rangers should do. While they’re at it they may as well give mesmers our current HP, they have more than enough survivability and damage for it :P
Gunnar’s Hold
I sense an incoming “support” bunker staff vid. Well, I guess it’s still a staff build.
Also I want to mention that giving us higher HP is a great idea IMO. Same as mesmers, engies and rangers should do. While they’re at it they may as well give mesmers our current HP, they have more than enough survivability and damage for it :P
My build is more support oriented but it can still 1v1 fairly well, I don’t like going too offensive on any of my ele builds, it’s just too glassy
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna
Here is another thought I think most people would probably agree that Guardians are the best support profession in the game.
Most would probably agree that Elementalist are the second best support/healing profession in the game.
If the roles changed and Elementalist became the best support/healing profession in the game would that make you happy? Since you don’t like it being jack of all trades if it was best at something not damage for arguments sake would that satisfy?
Really what are the roles in this game? Damage, Bunker/Tank, Healer/Support
PvE – Damage is king, if you have a guardian you are golden if you don’t have a guardian then you would probably want a elementalist next.
PvE is fairly simple so look at WvW.
You have damage dealers a warrior is king of damage but in sPvP because they can’t sustain it doesn’t matter. The more sustain warrior get the less damage they will do. Thief is next on the damage chart but its single target they serve the purpose of damage assassination pick out the hard targets pressure the bunkers. Those 2 classes have no other roles in sPvP.
In WvW warrior and thief still top of the damage charts thats what they do best. Then you see a warrior still can’t sustain if they receive focus fire usually they are done. Thief still fills that role on assassination and ganking thats about it. You see many full clerics thieves running around? Most of the thieves skills are pretty much self sustain in WvW. The best support build is venom share which means they give up utility slots to give up to 5 people venoms in a 300 radius.
So what does being the best at damage in this game get you? Roles as Gankers/assassination. Even the warrior is pretty much doing that go in do damage run out. Even with a rifle they aren’t providing any cc capabilities they are picking off single targets like a sniper again assassination.
The you have Support in WvW. Support Guardians and Eles and engis provide probably the best support in WvW. They have heals and CC. I don’t see alot of thieves running around setting traps while being invisible providing CC.
There is no middle ground if you really wanted to pick some kind of middle ground then I would say Mesmer is also versatile but leans more toward dps. Ele is versatile but leans more toward support.
Guardians can be dps(ish) like ele but still lean toward support through heals and boons.
Sinnastor{Warrior}Sinnacle{Mesmer}Sintacs
{Thief}
(edited by oZii.2864)
Again, a situation where skills are put to the wrong use and then used to invalidate those skills and indeed the entire class.
Does no one in this thread know how to use a staff? This is just sad….
Show us, oh glorious PvP masters. Teach the peasants how staff is an amazing weapon and isn’t a free kill like every other person in the entire game thinks it is.
http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm
Here’s a free video capture program if you don’t have one. Show me your incredible use of staff.
Yes, and while you’re at it, show us how DD eles can escape any class with 40+ second cooldowns.
shrugs I’ll let someone else do the DD escape I play staff, but I’ll get some PvP footage once I can get my group together for PvP (tried to get them rallied for tonight but 2 are MIA ATM, hopefully I’ll have it by Thursday)
EDIT: I’ve been using Afterburner for years and never knew it was able to record…. wow i haven’t been using that to it’s full potential…
So I tried some pvp with staff as an ele and after 8 matches I died 20 times and killed 0.
My mesmer with staff 1st match I ever played most I’ve ever done with mesmer was reach lvl 6 and in my 1st match I got 15 kills and 2 deaths. Pretty sad for somebody who mains elementalist.Well were you using the starter mesmer build? If so Congrats! you can kill people with a phantasm build! In short that means you can spawn illusions and not die before your illusions kill them yaaaaaaay go you, you showed the lowest skill floor build in the game that our high skill floor staff is worthless!! Oh wait…
Just because you can go in with one profs weapon and do decently doesn’t mean you can go in with ANY weapon on ANY prof and do decently, some weapons (such as ele staff) has a higher skill floor than others. Next you’re going to say that “Well i can do well with a Warrior GS but i don’t get anything done with a ranger GS!”
That…added nothing to the conversation. I also think it undermined the point you were trying to make, but I’m not entirely positive.
If you were saying that Mesmer is so OP that someone can just jump into PvP with the default build, (which is never a top build), with almost no experience playing a Mesmer and completely trash the performance of a Staff Ele played by someone with a lot of Ele experience, I sort of think that makes the point of those who say Staff Ele is in very sad shape.
Definitely looking forward to your unedited Staff PvP play, no need to wait to assemble a team, go hot join and let’s see how you do.
The problem if you compare Elementalist to Guardian is that Guardian can offer top notch support, while having incredible survivability and better damage output than the frail, pew-pew Elementalist.
I don’t think the Elementalist needs to be the best at anything, but for a supposedly versatile profession to be of any actual value, it needs to at least be good at the roles it attempts to fill. The profession has the lowest HP and Armor combination in the game and now they are nerfing what survivability we could achieve via mobility. Fro all the negatives they are handing the profession, you’d think we were actually powerful, when in reality we are rather pitiful.
I really do think this has nothing to do with how powerful the profession is, if it was the nerfs that have accumulated since launch would never have been necessary. This is about the devs not wanting a profession that isn’t completely predictable to them. Versatility might mean that the players discover builds and strategies that the developers didn’t intend and, apparently, some devs don’t like knowing that the players might be smarter than them.
When unforeseen synergies or strategies are actually OP, you tune them. You don’t just nerf the profession away because you fear unpredictability.
Again, a situation where skills are put to the wrong use and then used to invalidate those skills and indeed the entire class.
Does no one in this thread know how to use a staff? This is just sad….
Show us, oh glorious PvP masters. Teach the peasants how staff is an amazing weapon and isn’t a free kill like every other person in the entire game thinks it is.
http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm
Here’s a free video capture program if you don’t have one. Show me your incredible use of staff.
Yes, and while you’re at it, show us how DD eles can escape any class with 40+ second cooldowns.
shrugs I’ll let someone else do the DD escape I play staff, but I’ll get some PvP footage once I can get my group together for PvP (tried to get them rallied for tonight but 2 are MIA ATM, hopefully I’ll have it by Thursday)
EDIT: I’ve been using Afterburner for years and never knew it was able to record…. wow i haven’t been using that to it’s full potential…
So I tried some pvp with staff as an ele and after 8 matches I died 20 times and killed 0.
My mesmer with staff 1st match I ever played most I’ve ever done with mesmer was reach lvl 6 and in my 1st match I got 15 kills and 2 deaths. Pretty sad for somebody who mains elementalist.Well were you using the starter mesmer build? If so Congrats! you can kill people with a phantasm build! In short that means you can spawn illusions and not die before your illusions kill them yaaaaaaay go you, you showed the lowest skill floor build in the game that our high skill floor staff is worthless!! Oh wait…
Just because you can go in with one profs weapon and do decently doesn’t mean you can go in with ANY weapon on ANY prof and do decently, some weapons (such as ele staff) has a higher skill floor than others. Next you’re going to say that “Well i can do well with a Warrior GS but i don’t get anything done with a ranger GS!”
Didn’t even know phantasms did much damage so I didn’t really use ’m more than once or twice….
sword-focus is what I used in combination with staff.
Also the mesmer has phantasms, what do elementalists have that does that much damage? Please do tell.
Warrior GS, closest thing we have is our elite spell Fiery Greatsword. Only way for us to do anywhere near as much damage as a warrior with his greatsword. Only difference is we have less health and less armor.
Guardian has a whole lot of blocks, do we have anything similar in our arsenal? NO!
What do we have? What do we have that we can use as staff elementalists to actually win fights? If I can kill 15 in my first match as a mesmer without even understanding the mesmers core mechanics then why can’t I do the same with elementalist which I’ve played since pre-launch daily.
As an ele you can out dps a war you just need his banner to do it. But don’t expect to keep your control and healing spec 30/20/10/10/0 grab all the +damage traits and swing the LH in water. It’s boring but so is playing a zerk war. Most I’ve had aa hit for with all might and criteria met looks like. 13k 13k 16k. But that’s max not average.
Point is if you want to be damage your going to have to sacrifice
will this build work? its an all rounder, but really dont know if its good..
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQFAWhImibyx5QlDAkHv4CLjChUeMzO2A-j0xAocg8OUyLIpPN2qWR0YV1ER1KbMhAGtAA-w
will this build work? its an all rounder, but really dont know if its good..
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQFAWhImibyx5QlDAkHv4CLjChUeMzO2A-j0xAocg8OUyLIpPN2qWR0YV1ER1KbMhAGtAA-w
Could work for WvW. Wouldn’t get my hopes up for any real effectiveness in PvP. Doubt it’d work for PvE.
Gunnar’s Hold
will this build work? its an all rounder, but really dont know if its good..
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQFAWhImibyx5QlDAkHv4CLjChUeMzO2A-j0xAocg8OUyLIpPN2qWR0YV1ER1KbMhAGtAA-w
you could use it but you won’t be able to kill anyone or anything in pvp. Your damage will be horrible and with the lack of survivability and mobility spells on the staff you’ll eventually die in wvw if you don’t follow around a zerg.
yea i whas thinking the same.. but why cant i find a good wvw build for ele :o a staff build thats works in wvw and dungeons
yea i whas thinking the same.. but why cant i find a good wvw build for ele :o a staff build thats works in wvw and dungeons
0/30/0/20/20 for straight out dps. Or work towards a signet build with earth as its main focus?
0/10/20/20/20 or somewhere along those lines. For some signet love. (might be better than glyphs at the moment). Signet of earth plus 5 in earth and maybe some increased condition duration would be pretty sweet too.
I also have given up on Staff for WvW. We are still great in a zerg, but where as before I could move across the field and usually avoid confrontations as I tried to catch up with a group, with the nerfs if you are caught with out friends, you are plain and simple a free kill.
I’m now running a 0-30-0-30-10 S/D build for WvW. I can actually kill people now and appear to have better survivability and escape-ability. I can still switch to staff when aiding in a siege, until the walls are clear of foes and siege weapons, with only minimal loss of AoE and utility vs. my previous Staff-centric build. The rest of the time I run S/D and am having fun doing so. (I’m not even very good at the build yet and still find it more capable than the staff build I had experience and comfort with, which is sad).
I just don’t see Staff as viable anymore as a primary weapon to build around, unless you are always with others. In WvW, switching to staff for hitting things up on walls is worth the effort and can mesh with some of the solid S/D builds, but the versatile, Staff focused Elementalist is dead.
Elementalist – When I selected this class back in beta, I wanted to play something like an EQ bard. I wound up with a vanilla WoW druid.