Guild Wars 2

Things to reconsider

Let me be the one to take the flack for showing what I am seeing. Now show me what you are seeing. Say it however you will. I want to learn just what you all think can be done to improve ele play. I spent only 10 points in earth to get the toughness bonus for channeling, so you can figure out where the other 60 belong.

I want your videos showing how you did it better. I want to see Svanir soloed with pro style. I want to see your points and traits and how that makes you wipe the practice NPCs in 3s. I want to see you attune your heart out while acting as a crucial member of an elite squad in PvP or WvW. Please, no lackluster videos of leeching eles that only pull off finishers on downed players for fear of actually fighting it out.

For proper perspective, lol – 3 other classes compared

Aww … c’mon y’all. No one, as yet, has been humored and challenged enough by this to post your awesomeness? The video above testifies that our struggles are not imaginary. Please keep this effort alive with your kick tail vids Eles. Believe that every one of us can appreciate your accomplishment by just winning, even barely. Out of three million players there has to be ten (or a hundred) that have something to show. Please do.

haha, i loved those 2 videos XD that was hilarious! “we’ll just click all of these active virtues, gotta go invulnerable, then click the virtues again and anything else not on a cooldown” lulz dat was great. you rock

I enjoyed that second video

dat second video, sums up pretty much all the ele issues. High risk, horrible rewards. Everyone else? press buttoms, press AoE loot

You barely tried to play. I’m not keen on when people are trolling, but ele isn’t that bad. If you’re using that ring to burn a target, you’re using it wrong.

Ele isn’t in that bad of a state.

Asking a serious question here.

Were you trolling with the ele, or were you actually that bad? Wait, no, even if you weren’t, who’d admit to being that bad over trolling?

kitten, my head hurts.

@disappointed viewers
The important thing is not whether I could do better, but whether it is painful enough to watch that others are motivated to show how it is done. Words are good. Videos are better.

here is what I see the problem is with ele. a typical player hops onto d/d and attempts burst. they lands a few skills, and is low on health at this point. they then pointlessly spams all other cd’s in hopes of healing or getting away, but ends up like a chicken running around with its head cut off til they finally get killed.
Some of the skill involves the build/gear in itself, but mainly it all comes down to the player and how well they are able to play out a build compared to everyone else running that build and all builds alike. lets say 2 zerker warriors with the same gear/traits/skills duel. War1 uses their stun/burst right away and takes the other guy’s health down to 50%. Then war2 shrugs it off (not the trait or shout) and keeps fighting. War2 will wait for war1 to be on cd so he can strike. in doing so, he’ll keep pressure on war1 without wasting too much of his own cd’s, even after chasing war1 who’s trying to avoid with gs… then after war1 wastes his shield stance and cancels halfway thru then tries to heal up, war2 will stun/burst war1, interrupting the heal and after burst war2 will heal up, and keep dps on war1, and interrupt his heals so war2 can finish him off.

That probably wasn’t the best example because theres so many different builds and variations that you aren’t going to fight the same build more than likely. Like i said before, there are some builds that have better support style/survivability and some that love to lay juicy condis all over your face, hybrids, tanks, zerkers, easy mode/pugs etc XD you get the point there. All the classes and builds are better at certain things than others and have their pro’s and con’s. you can’t really compare how one build isn’t like that ranger’s crazy spirit build… player skill is the key, as well as team coordination and effectiveness… :P

OP just taught me how to play guardian effectively.

Azunai.5974:

Asking a serious question here.

Were you trolling with the ele, or were you actually that bad? Wait, no, even if you weren’t, who’d admit to being that bad over trolling?

kitten, my head hurts.

I think everyone here is missing the point.

He played terrible with all of them, clicking, just randomly pressing buttons, yet was able to completely faceroll with the last 3 classes lol.

sorrychief.2563:

OP just taught me how to play guardian effectively.

i became a champion paragorn doing exactly what he did

Knote.2904:

Azunai.5974:

Asking a serious question here.

Were you trolling with the ele, or were you actually that bad? Wait, no, even if you weren’t, who’d admit to being that bad over trolling?

kitten, my head hurts.

I think everyone here is missing the point.

He played terrible with all of them, clicking, just randomly pressing buttons, yet was able to completely faceroll with the last 3 classes lol.

Ohhhhhh, now I get it.

…Oh. Thread’s gotten a little depressing now. I think I’ll go outside for a bit.

why are we using pve as a basis for elementalist?

cheshirefox.7026:

not used to recording muh gamez
or pvp, took me awhile to find the bear.. and i only have a staff so..
possibly have other weapons in my pvp locker, anyway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXb-p5m7mRA

something like this?

That’s a pretty good staff rotation dude. Nice work

Hi,

The first video wasn’t even funny. My advice? Don’t play ele, it’s not your cup of tea. Some people just don’t have skills to handle the class.

Watch how this guy beat a thief with his ele and learn a thing or two. The video’s not mine. It’s a guy from NA server.

Gabriell.4856:

Hi,

The first video wasn’t even funny. My advice? Don’t play ele, it’s not your cup of tea. Some people just don’t have skills to handle the class.

Watch how this guy beat a thief with his ele and learn a thing or two. The video’s not mine. It’s a guy from NA server.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iPjSQJvPM

Another guy that missed the point, watch both videos.

Also, keep in mind that guy has a very specific build that’s basically half tank half dmg build, AND he has to use the hp buffs gained in WvW just to have 14-15k health to even survive.

And he goes toe to toe with glass cannon thieves who can survive w/o the need of all of that.

Not to mention how the poorly designed attunements force him to just rotate cooldowns instead of having the freedom to use them when needed, this forces Ele’s to build bunker builds and always have 30 in Arcana. Are people seeing the problem yet?

Knote.2904:

Gabriell.4856:

Hi,

The first video wasn’t even funny. My advice? Don’t play ele, it’s not your cup of tea. Some people just don’t have skills to handle the class.

Watch how this guy beat a thief with his ele and learn a thing or two. The video’s not mine. It’s a guy from NA server.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iPjSQJvPM

Another guy that missed the point, watch both videos.

Also, keep in mind that guy has a very specific build that’s basically half tank half dmg build, AND he has to use the hp buffs gained in WvW just to have 14-15k health to even survive.

And he goes toe to toe with glass cannon thieves who can survive w/o the need of all of that.

Not to mention how the poorly designed attunements force him to just rotate cooldowns instead of having the freedom to use them when needed, this forces Ele’s to build bunker builds and always have 30 in Arcana. Are people seeing the problem yet?

Another whiner.

I didn’t miss the point Knote. The fact that other classes are played by mindlessly smashing buttons speaks only to the lack of skills of those who play those classes, nothing more, nothing less.

And in this video he doesn’t have any of the WvW buffs, he fights thiefs with 14 k HP, which is his base HP, now what does it mean I wonder?

The only one who’s missing the point is you Knote.

cheshirefox.7026:

don’t bother knote.. there’s always clueless people who don’t realize some issues go beyond l2p
if you noticed my vid i’m a mouse clicker,
i don’t wanto moonlight as a keyboard stenographer or macro
just to survive for more than 5 seconds as an elementalist

Another whiner on Ele forum? What a shocker!

“Moonlight as a keyboard stenographer”? You sure know how to whine! This is for you my clueless whiner, a video of ele who CLICKS!

Gabriell.4856:

Knote.2904:

Gabriell.4856:

Hi,

The first video wasn’t even funny. My advice? Don’t play ele, it’s not your cup of tea. Some people just don’t have skills to handle the class.

Watch how this guy beat a thief with his ele and learn a thing or two. The video’s not mine. It’s a guy from NA server.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iPjSQJvPM

Another guy that missed the point, watch both videos.

Also, keep in mind that guy has a very specific build that’s basically half tank half dmg build, AND he has to use the hp buffs gained in WvW just to have 14-15k health to even survive.

And he goes toe to toe with glass cannon thieves who can survive w/o the need of all of that.

Not to mention how the poorly designed attunements force him to just rotate cooldowns instead of having the freedom to use them when needed, this forces Ele’s to build bunker builds and always have 30 in Arcana. Are people seeing the problem yet?

Another whiner.

I didn’t miss the point Knote. The fact that other classes are played by mindlessly smashing buttons speaks only to the lack of skills of those who play those classes, nothing more, nothing less.

And in this video he doesn’t have any of the WvW buffs, he fights thiefs with 14 k HP, which is his base HP, now what does it mean I wonder?

The only one who’s missing the point is you Knote.

I hope you are smart enough to realize that by virtue of being in WvW you get power of the mist NOT the same as bloodlust.

Against once you strip away all those bonuses like in SPvP, I wonder how he would perform. Also he is using signet of restoration which isn’t as effective in spvp.

I havent been bothered to watching the whole video, but i dont think he ever showed what type of gear he was wearing. Nor does the video show anything related to the skill level or gear for the opposing player. Finally, whose to say he doesn’t do too badly and doesn’t show when he does aka only showing when he does well.

silvermember.8941:

Gabriell.4856:

Knote.2904:

Gabriell.4856:

Hi,

The first video wasn’t even funny. My advice? Don’t play ele, it’s not your cup of tea. Some people just don’t have skills to handle the class.

Watch how this guy beat a thief with his ele and learn a thing or two. The video’s not mine. It’s a guy from NA server.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iPjSQJvPM

Another guy that missed the point, watch both videos.

Also, keep in mind that guy has a very specific build that’s basically half tank half dmg build, AND he has to use the hp buffs gained in WvW just to have 14-15k health to even survive.

And he goes toe to toe with glass cannon thieves who can survive w/o the need of all of that.

Not to mention how the poorly designed attunements force him to just rotate cooldowns instead of having the freedom to use them when needed, this forces Ele’s to build bunker builds and always have 30 in Arcana. Are people seeing the problem yet?

Another whiner.

I didn’t miss the point Knote. The fact that other classes are played by mindlessly smashing buttons speaks only to the lack of skills of those who play those classes, nothing more, nothing less.

And in this video he doesn’t have any of the WvW buffs, he fights thiefs with 14 k HP, which is his base HP, now what does it mean I wonder?

The only one who’s missing the point is you Knote.

I hope you are smart enough to realize that by virtue of being in WvW you get power of the mist NOT the same as bloodlust.

Against once you strip away all those bonuses like in SPvP, I wonder how he would perform. Also he is using signet of restoration which isn’t as effective in spvp.

I havent been bothered to watching the whole video, but i dont think he ever showed what type of gear he was wearing. Nor does the video show anything related to the skill level or gear for the opposing player. Finally, whose to say he doesn’t do too badly and doesn’t show when he does aka only showing when he does well.

This is a whiner zerg fest! Shoo! Shoo! Go play guardian! :P

Gabriell.4856:

silvermember.8941:

Gabriell.4856:

Knote.2904:

Gabriell.4856:

Hi,

The first video wasn’t even funny. My advice? Don’t play ele, it’s not your cup of tea. Some people just don’t have skills to handle the class.

Watch how this guy beat a thief with his ele and learn a thing or two. The video’s not mine. It’s a guy from NA server.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iPjSQJvPM

Another guy that missed the point, watch both videos.

Also, keep in mind that guy has a very specific build that’s basically half tank half dmg build, AND he has to use the hp buffs gained in WvW just to have 14-15k health to even survive.

And he goes toe to toe with glass cannon thieves who can survive w/o the need of all of that.

Not to mention how the poorly designed attunements force him to just rotate cooldowns instead of having the freedom to use them when needed, this forces Ele’s to build bunker builds and always have 30 in Arcana. Are people seeing the problem yet?

Another whiner.

I didn’t miss the point Knote. The fact that other classes are played by mindlessly smashing buttons speaks only to the lack of skills of those who play those classes, nothing more, nothing less.

And in this video he doesn’t have any of the WvW buffs, he fights thiefs with 14 k HP, which is his base HP, now what does it mean I wonder?

The only one who’s missing the point is you Knote.

I hope you are smart enough to realize that by virtue of being in WvW you get power of the mist NOT the same as bloodlust.

Against once you strip away all those bonuses like in SPvP, I wonder how he would perform. Also he is using signet of restoration which isn’t as effective in spvp.

I havent been bothered to watching the whole video, but i dont think he ever showed what type of gear he was wearing. Nor does the video show anything related to the skill level or gear for the opposing player. Finally, whose to say he doesn’t do too badly and doesn’t show when he does aka only showing when he does well.

This is a whiner zerg fest! Shoo! Shoo! Go play guardian! :P

First of all, if I wanted to play the FOTM it wouldn’t be guardian it would be warrior.

Secondly, Sticking your head up your kitten doesn’t change the fact that the elementalist is bad. Nobody on high level PvP (and no WvW with pve bonus and pve skills and gear differential is not high level PvP or killing noobs) plays elementalist, I guess everybody except you is a noob?

I wonder which is more probable?

Gabriell.4856:

Knote.2904:

Gabriell.4856:

Hi,

The first video wasn’t even funny. My advice? Don’t play ele, it’s not your cup of tea. Some people just don’t have skills to handle the class.

Watch how this guy beat a thief with his ele and learn a thing or two. The video’s not mine. It’s a guy from NA server.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iPjSQJvPM

Another guy that missed the point, watch both videos.

Also, keep in mind that guy has a very specific build that’s basically half tank half dmg build, AND he has to use the hp buffs gained in WvW just to have 14-15k health to even survive.

And he goes toe to toe with glass cannon thieves who can survive w/o the need of all of that.

Not to mention how the poorly designed attunements force him to just rotate cooldowns instead of having the freedom to use them when needed, this forces Ele’s to build bunker builds and always have 30 in Arcana. Are people seeing the problem yet?

Another whiner.

I didn’t miss the point Knote. The fact that other classes are played by mindlessly smashing buttons speaks only to the lack of skills of those who play those classes, nothing more, nothing less.

And in this video he doesn’t have any of the WvW buffs, he fights thiefs with 14 k HP, which is his base HP, now what does it mean I wonder?

The only one who’s missing the point is you Knote.

10,805. Base Elementalist HP. Not 14k. Shared with Guardian and Thief.

And the class does have issues. Many in fact. One of them is the high skill needed to do things which on other classes require half the effort. Some people like it, others don’t. Another is the need to go 20-30 points into Arcana, just to feel fluid (I do not, I only take 10, but I still feel that it lacks certain fluidity).

Edit – Oh, and how can you tell he has no WvW buffs? You don’t see the added buffs for Power of the Mists on the screen unless you go into the WvW panel….

Gabrielle,
Thank you for the videos.!Do not feel personally effected by critiques. Any experienced player can see the lack of damage and conditions on the first video. The thieves were obviously very up-leveled, or noob, or something.

All,
Thank you for pushing this thread along. Must see more vids.
NOTE: Vids should be new, since there are many old vids that do not reflect the accumulated nerfs and buffs to classes. Please have the courage to show the best and the worst, but mainly we want to see the best. MORE VIDS!

ImProVocateur.5189:

Gabrielle,
Thank you for the videos.!Do not feel personally effected by critiques. Any experienced player can see the lack of damage and conditions on the first video. The thieves were obviously very up-leveled, or noob, or something.

All,
Thank you for pushing this thread along. Must see more vids.
NOTE: Vids should be new, since there are many old vids that do not reflect the accumulated nerfs and buffs to classes. Please have the courage to show the best and the worst, but mainly we want to see the best. MORE VIDS!

ImProVocateur,

I don’t feel personally affected, so don’t worry about me. Unfortunately, for most players who play elementalist (yourself included), it’s easier to assume that “thiefs were noob, or something”, than admit that there are players out there who know how to make the right build and know how to play the class. And the videos I linked are 3 weeks old – not new enough for you?

I’m not gonna argue with you on any of the points in your videos, cause you’ll never be able to play elementalist no matter what buffs he gets in the future, cause your mind is set to fail and whine from the start. Good luck playing other “mindless button smashing” classes.

Failing to see the imbalance in a class by stating they are perfectly fine when in fact many ele players since launch agree there are inherent balance issues does just as much work towards balance as when someone consistently whines without offering suggestions to fix the class. Until you have played ele as much as some of us, you’re in no position to suggest the class is perfectly fine because you know someone or watched some videos of some ele success. The play style in those videos have existed for a long time. Did notice they were using x/x/x/20/30 or even know what I’m talking about when I say that? If not, play an ele for at least a few hundred hours with different builds, preferably x/x/x/0/0, then come back and talk about balancing the ele. It’s unfortunate that even non-ele people rank it in tier C from tier S+.

Good suggestion Adastra.9821.

New video here. Tried to get some winning footage by starting without traits. I added more where it was evident ele needed more. Still did not pull out a win, but came closer. I’m being forced into an S/D build. Already retraited it and bought the scepter. They’ve corrupted my pureness. It’s over.

Anyways, here’s the vid: click for video . Sorry it sucks. I am hoping to see other D/D eles with more success in the new bl area.

so my brother has been playing ele for a while and I have to say that eles need HP boost or dmg boost. Its that simple. Raise the base hp pool or make dmg comparable to thiefs.

New Vid! – using s/d. Not happy about it. Giving thoughts about d/d role in game now. Really, mainhand dagger’s role.

Sorry about the last bad link. It won’t let me edit it or delete it. The video was there, but I removed it. Its message was not what I wanted.

More vids please! I have met some terrific eles on the battlefield that use one or two daggers. Make a short video showing your excellence, and help out the community. Also, have courage to reveal everything you see. You are awesome players. We know this. ANet knows this. Show us your awesomeness, mostly, but show us what you’d like to change, too.

This is a common elementalist thread….

I agree with just about everything constructive stated.

Elementalist isn’t as horrible as most make it out to be, but yes there are changes that would be nice.

Simply put: There are specs and trait lines that offer the most benefit with certain weapon sets. Doing ANYTHING out of these “cookie cutter/weapon set” builds will make the elementalist poor to play, and even worse for players lacking certain skills.

Most DPS builds require scepter/x and traited for Fresh Air.
You’ve better understand dodging and your defensive ablitilies cause it leaves you weak.

D/D builds usually require bunkering and the typical x/x/x/30/30 or x/x/x/20/30
It’s nearly impossible to play d/d to perfection without 30 arcana, you need the speed in attunement swapping. Because it is also a melee weapon build you need some health or healing to survive melee fights.

Staff builds
From my experiences and what I can tell staff has the most variety of builds cause there doesn’t seem to be a solid nitch trait line, and of these weapon sets it’s probably the easiest to try and sit in only a few attunements. (However this is never the most effective way to play an elementalist)

Going against these proven builds will make life very difficult for an elementalist. If you seem to be struggling take a look into that.

With that said
I would like to see more build variety for all weapon sets that pull elementalists out of Arcana. Personally I’d like to see Fresh Air options for each of the 4 elemental lines, which I think would open up all kinds of options for staff builds.

Even with that the above (non staff) builds will hold true just because of the abilities on the weapon sets.

Since you insisted, I couldn’t resist a chance to play with Overwolf.

I posted this because people complained about using buffs for the ele. This is a stock character with no special runes, NO upgrades on the weapons.

I had intended to not use ANY of the cantrips, but I number 7 by habit. Still, It didn’t actually do anything…

And yes I know my PC sux. Accepting donations if anyone wants higher resolutions :P

This just proves the fact that Elementalist needs to be easier to play

You need traits that well… specialize in 1-2 attunements, but have amazing traits like this!

Drastically Improves the Fire Attunement, completely locks out Air.
Drastically Improves the Water Attunement, completely locks out Earth.
Drastically Improves the Air Attunement, completely locks out Fire.
Drastically Improves the Earth Attunement, completely locks out Water.

Earth should be focused on Condition Damage/Reducing Damage. (Bleeding Damage/Confusion Damage/Protection.)

Water should be focused on Power Damage/Healing. (Vulnerability/Weaknesss/Power Damage/Healing.)

Fire should be Condition Damage/Condition Removal and Control. (Burning, Power, Condition Control. (Remove conditions/cure for each one removed.).

Air Should be Burst/Critical Damage/Daze and Crowd Control.

This way you can have 1 offensive/1 defensive option and more then several viable builds due to different weapon sets.

Daecollo.9578:

This just proves the fact that Elementalist needs to be easier to play

You need traits that well… specialize in 1-2 attunements, but have amazing traits like this!

Drastically Improves the Fire Attunement, completely locks out Air.
Drastically Improves the Water Attunement, completely locks out Earth.
Drastically Improves the Air Attunement, completely locks out Fire.
Drastically Improves the Earth Attunement, completely locks out Water.

Earth should be focused on Condition Damage/Reducing Damage. (Bleeding Damage/Confusion Damage/Protection.)

Water should be focused on Power Damage/Healing. (Vulnerability/Weaknesss/Power Damage/Healing.)

---

Fire should be Condition Damage/Condition Removal and Control. (Burning, Power, Condition Control. (Remove conditions/cure for each one removed.).

Air Should be Burst/Critical Damage/Daze and Crowd Control.

This way you can have 1 offensive/1 defensive option and more then several viable builds due to different weapon sets.

Reading all of that for the 50th time was awesome. Never gets old.

Gabriell.4856:

Knote.2904:

Gabriell.4856:

Hi,

The first video wasn’t even funny. My advice? Don’t play ele, it’s not your cup of tea. Some people just don’t have skills to handle the class.

Watch how this guy beat a thief with his ele and learn a thing or two. The video’s not mine. It’s a guy from NA server.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iPjSQJvPM

Another guy that missed the point, watch both videos.

Also, keep in mind that guy has a very specific build that’s basically half tank half dmg build, AND he has to use the hp buffs gained in WvW just to have 14-15k health to even survive.

And he goes toe to toe with glass cannon thieves who can survive w/o the need of all of that.

Not to mention how the poorly designed attunements force him to just rotate cooldowns instead of having the freedom to use them when needed, this forces Ele’s to build bunker builds and always have 30 in Arcana. Are people seeing the problem yet?

Another whiner.

I didn’t miss the point Knote. The fact that other classes are played by mindlessly smashing buttons speaks only to the lack of skills of those who play those classes, nothing more, nothing less.

And in this video he doesn’t have any of the WvW buffs, he fights thiefs with 14 k HP, which is his base HP, now what does it mean I wonder?

The only one who’s missing the point is you Knote.

Please do not post if you have no idea of even the basics.

Avatara.1042:

Gabriell.4856:

Knote.2904:

Gabriell.4856:

Hi,

The first video wasn’t even funny. My advice? Don’t play ele, it’s not your cup of tea. Some people just don’t have skills to handle the class.

Watch how this guy beat a thief with his ele and learn a thing or two. The video’s not mine. It’s a guy from NA server.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iPjSQJvPM

Another guy that missed the point, watch both videos.

Also, keep in mind that guy has a very specific build that’s basically half tank half dmg build, AND he has to use the hp buffs gained in WvW just to have 14-15k health to even survive.

And he goes toe to toe with glass cannon thieves who can survive w/o the need of all of that.

Not to mention how the poorly designed attunements force him to just rotate cooldowns instead of having the freedom to use them when needed, this forces Ele’s to build bunker builds and always have 30 in Arcana. Are people seeing the problem yet?

Another whiner.

I didn’t miss the point Knote. The fact that other classes are played by mindlessly smashing buttons speaks only to the lack of skills of those who play those classes, nothing more, nothing less.

And in this video he doesn’t have any of the WvW buffs, he fights thiefs with 14 k HP, which is his base HP, now what does it mean I wonder?

The only one who’s missing the point is you Knote.

Please do not post if you have no idea of even the basics.

Or let him post and we can all have a big laugh at all the dumb things he kittening says. If it wasn’t sad, drinking by yourself I would totally make a drinking game out of comments from him, thibash, that pve guy with the name Zesomething. So whenever they claim the ele is find I take a shot.

Daecollo.9578:

This just proves the fact that Elementalist needs to be easier to play

You need traits that well… specialize in 1-2 attunements, but have amazing traits like this!

Drastically Improves the Fire Attunement, completely locks out Air.
Drastically Improves the Water Attunement, completely locks out Earth.
Drastically Improves the Air Attunement, completely locks out Fire.
Drastically Improves the Earth Attunement, completely locks out Water.

Earth should be focused on Condition Damage/Reducing Damage. (Bleeding Damage/Confusion Damage/Protection.)

Water should be focused on Power Damage/Healing. (Vulnerability/Weaknesss/Power Damage/Healing.)

---

Fire should be Condition Damage/Condition Removal and Control. (Burning, Power, Condition Control. (Remove conditions/cure for each one removed.).

Air Should be Burst/Critical Damage/Daze and Crowd Control.

This way you can have 1 offensive/1 defensive option and more then several viable builds due to different weapon sets.

You propose to kill the one mechanic that makes the ele the unique? really?? I don’t want it to be easier to play, I like it as it is, challenging (As I say here)

here’s my attempt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjBlUZLumC4

Galbar.7843:

Daecollo.9578:

This just proves the fact that Elementalist needs to be easier to play

You need traits that well… specialize in 1-2 attunements, but have amazing traits like this!

Drastically Improves the Fire Attunement, completely locks out Air.
Drastically Improves the Water Attunement, completely locks out Earth.
Drastically Improves the Air Attunement, completely locks out Fire.
Drastically Improves the Earth Attunement, completely locks out Water.

Earth should be focused on Condition Damage/Reducing Damage. (Bleeding Damage/Confusion Damage/Protection.)

Water should be focused on Power Damage/Healing. (Vulnerability/Weaknesss/Power Damage/Healing.)

---

Fire should be Condition Damage/Condition Removal and Control. (Burning, Power, Condition Control. (Remove conditions/cure for each one removed.).

Air Should be Burst/Critical Damage/Daze and Crowd Control.

This way you can have 1 offensive/1 defensive option and more then several viable builds due to different weapon sets.

You propose to kill the one mechanic that makes the ele the unique? really?? I don’t want it to be easier to play, I like it as it is, challenging (As I say here)

Then you won’t be getting any buffs. Lol.

I didn’t ask for that mechanic to die, I asked it to be simplified. You don’t have to take those traits and be just as you are now.

X/X/X/X/30.

Thief bursting – more fair perspective

omg vids ! Thank you Melody Cross.8465 and KazNaka.4718.

All,
My hope with this thread was to get retooling to mainhand dagger and focus skills, some improvement to offhand dagger, and a ‘complete picture’ review ele builds. I see the “help ele” spirit spreading thanks to the attention and videos people are giving. The above video was posted in the sPvP forum. I reposted here because it lends to the “proper perspective” that I have tried to foster in this thread. The maker of this video was rebuffing someone who said the ele was the burst champion. Please keep this in mind before conceding more to the ele-hate system.

ImProVocateur.5189:

Things to reconsider

Let me be the one to take the flack for showing what I am seeing. Now show me what you are seeing. Say it however you will. I want to learn just what you all think can be done to improve ele play. I spent only 10 points in earth to get the toughness bonus for channeling, so you can figure out where the other 60 belong.

I want your videos showing how you did it better. I want to see Svanir soloed with pro style. I want to see your points and traits and how that makes you wipe the practice NPCs in 3s. I want to see you attune your heart out while acting as a crucial member of an elite squad in PvP or WvW. Please, no lackluster videos of leeching eles that only pull off finishers on downed players for fear of actually fighting it out.

Not entirely sure what you want of out these videos but I accepted the challenge.

http://youtu.be/v3WYQDDqOF0
That’s a S/D build, half-donkey (take that kitten!) runed, traited pure dps for the most part.

I have a D/D build video uploading as well, since I’m getting the feeling that’s what you are really interested in. I’ll add the link later when it’s done.

Daecollo.9578:

This just proves the fact that Elementalist needs to be easier to play

How, citing specific examples, does this video test prove that eles are underpowered? I just skill spammed a little faster than the OP with default equipment. If you need proof then, well, watch the silly low res vid :P

How are eles underdowered when we can easily down the test in question in under a minute without actually thinking about what we’re doing? It took EFFORT to not think about what I was doing, and I admit I switched to water because i knew the golem was on its way down—that was a “tactical decision”—but I just 12345’d for most of the test per the OPs request.

I’ve seen this message spamreplied across multiple threads. Are you reading the discussions in question or just using the forum as an advertising board for your personal idea of what an ele should be? In the interest of clarity, I do NOT share your view. Eles need some love, more attention than I feel they’re getting, but not an overhaul as you propose. Utilities need work. Out of combat weapon swapping should be reassessed. There’s a host of things that could be done without completely changing the class.

Wraislin.6072,
I do appreciate your contribution to this thread, and look forward to your d/d video.

Melody Cross.8465 and to All,
I have been mulling over an idea you might like. We have a few videos showing how well the burst works to dps enough for Svanir. The scepter is not really the issue I am raising. You are correct about that. Scepter videos give more perspective. Alright, so, I have been wanting to put up a reward for a challenge. Maybe 50 gold or 100 gold, and an assortment of crafting and mystic forge items. I would like to get 20 challengers. The reward will be split into two pots, and all successful challengers split the pots. The challenge is simple: beat Svanir and the Chieftain in under 2 minutes, in that order. 80% of the reward will go to that pot. A consolation pot of 20% of the reward will pay those who only kill Svanir in under 1 minute. Here is the catch: only d/d or d/f builds are allowed, and no racial skills or pet summoning skills. The reason for the “no pets” rule is because of the AI problem. So that is it. I want to get people’s ideas on how to hold such a challenge. It would take an hour. Can people guest into one server’s PvP practice area? The challenge will only work if both mobs are side by side, like in the practice area. Also, how can others spectate without tampering with the results?

ImProVocateur.5189:

Wraislin.6072,
I do appreciate your contribution to this thread, and look forward to your d/d video.

Melody Cross.8465 and to All,
I have been mulling over an idea you might like. We have a few videos showing how well the burst works to dps enough for Svanir. The scepter is not really the issue I am raising. You are correct about that. Scepter videos give more perspective. Alright, so, I have been wanting to put up a reward for a challenge. Maybe 50 gold or 100 gold, and an assortment of crafting and mystic forge items. I would like to get 20 challengers. The reward will be split into two pots, and all successful challengers split the pots. The challenge is simple: beat Svanir and the Chieftain in under 2 minutes, in that order. 80% of the reward will go to that pot. A consolation pot of 20% of the reward will pay those who only kill Svanir in under 1 minute. Here is the catch: only d/d or d/f builds are allowed, and no racial skills or pet summoning skills. The reason for the “no pets” rule is because of the AI problem. So that is it. I want to get people’s ideas on how to hold such a challenge. It would take an hour. Can people guest into one server’s PvP practice area? The challenge will only work if both mobs are side by side, like in the practice area. Also, how can others spectate without tampering with the results?

Have you seen other classes only use some abilities and do this same feat? As fun of a challenge as this would be; limiting what abilities you use isn’t truly showing the value of your class.

That would be as silly as saying you can only kill these two NPC’s while staying in water attunement the whole fight.

And as I made mention above D/D or D/F is not this classes damage set of weapons. Just like there are certain weapon sets on other professions that lack pure burst dps.

ImProVocateur.5189:

Wraislin.6072,
I do appreciate your contribution to this thread, and look forward to your d/d video.

Melody Cross.8465 and to All,
I have been mulling over an idea you might like. We have a few videos showing how well the burst works to dps enough for Svanir. The scepter is not really the issue I am raising. You are correct about that. Scepter videos give more perspective. Alright, so, I have been wanting to put up a reward for a challenge. Maybe 50 gold or 100 gold, and an assortment of crafting and mystic forge items. I would like to get 20 challengers. The reward will be split into two pots, and all successful challengers split the pots. The challenge is simple: beat Svanir and the Chieftain in under 2 minutes, in that order. 80% of the reward will go to that pot. A consolation pot of 20% of the reward will pay those who only kill Svanir in under 1 minute. Here is the catch: only d/d or d/f builds are allowed, and no racial skills or pet summoning skills. The reason for the “no pets” rule is because of the AI problem. So that is it. I want to get people’s ideas on how to hold such a challenge. It would take an hour. Can people guest into one server’s PvP practice area? The challenge will only work if both mobs are side by side, like in the practice area. Also, how can others spectate without tampering with the results?

can we use conjured weapons?

Conjures are prolly a no since you can kill one of them in about 15 seconds with em.
Or less.

Tackled the challenge with icebow took me about 45 seconds to kill both with a cheesy damage amplification build and signets.

The first question about this contest is whether it would be alright to use a different weapon. That says a lot. I am willing to allow conjured weapon, for now. If someone thinks that conjured weapons are too strong to make this a real competition, then state that. No one wants boring video or an event that will not help the Elementalist get the changes in the long run.

I would like to see the mobs defeated with mainhand dagger equipped. If that is only possible by avoiding actually using the mainhand dagger, then d/d and d/f are in an aweful state. Remember, Ele only has five weapons for killing these mobs. Someone will probably point out that each weapon is like two weapons because of the attunements. To that I will make the point that, if two sets of the five are broken, then that equates to four broken sets (four out of ten – 40%).

ImProVocateur.5189:

The first question about this contest is whether it would be alright to use a different weapon. That says a lot. I am willing to allow conjured weapon, for now. If someone thinks that conjured weapons are too strong to make this a real competition, then state that. No one wants boring video or an event that will not help the Elementalist get the changes in the long run.
I would like to see the mobs defeated with mainhand dagger equipped. If that is only possible by avoiding actually using the mainhand dagger, then d/d and d/f are in an aweful state. Remember, Ele only has five weapons for killing these mobs. Someone will probably point out that each weapon is like two weapons because of the attunements. To that I will make the point that, if two sets of the five are broken, then that equates to four broken sets (four out of ten – 40%).

I recorded and will upload tomorrow a vid of the challenge completed with icebow in less than a minute, however it IS incredibly cheesy as a tactic.

Maybe it can be used as an “avoid” kind of video.

Axelifus,3269,
“Avoid” is right.

I guess this will be for people who dont belive d/d can be strong
(ill make a roaming one later when im not lazy)

wow, unfortunately I still do not think anet understands.