Guild Wars 2

I play this great game since few months. I bought HoT and get free boost to 80lvl, but I wanted to have a fun and lvl up my Engineer alone.
Boost still awaliable
Back to topic.
I’m sure there is big problem with Engineer. I can prove it by look on my guild, and players online. There are 2 or 3 Eneineers online on all guild every day.
Look on LFG, and icons. Engineer is like a Gral.
Players verify very fast which class is the weakest. I’s very sad that Engeenier is so weak that only few want to play with him.
This class have a huge potencial, but sth is wrong. Arena pls find it and fix it. Give us sign thay you see the problem. If not give us prove that everything is ok.

I see few problems of Engineer:
1. Very low mobility. I have to use one build to get swiftnes and manage to folow another in WvW and word events, fractals ect.
2. Huge amount of skill, but only one meta. That weard. That kill fun. I want to use granades, tourest, not hammer.
3. There a lot of problems in topics below.

And one biggest problem, zero comunication from Arena. Sad isn’kitten

Weak? no, the current issue with engi is that it’s stuck in a high effort low reward gameplay, so getting pugs where they accept your engi are more harder than other classes.

Timo.1065:

1. Very low mobility. I have to use one build to get swiftnes and manage to folow another in WvW and word events, fractals ect.

We have the mobility, the problem is, if you spend your build in mobility, you will be compromising your damage, because our current mobility sources are lock in unwanted and non-optimal utilities (Net turret (when traited), rocket boots, med kit, etc.)

With that being said, don’t you use our leaps?

• Rifle 5
• Elixir gun 4, and
• Hammer 3 (when cancelling the last hit with kit swapping)
  Are great sources for mobility, also,you can stack swiftness with hammer 5 and use blasts such as:

• Flamethrower 2
• Elixir gun 4
• Mortar kit tool belt (Double blast if traited)
• Bomb kit tool belt
• Thumper turret tool belt
• All turrets detonation skills
  and
• Shield 4

And for end, Streamlined kits! , wihch gives you perma swiftness! are you sure we are too slow?

Timo.1065:

2. Huge amount of skill, but only one meta. That weard. That kill fun. I want to use granades, tourest, not hammer.

Perhaps true in WvW…. but you are ignoring all the other gamemode builds!

PvP:

• Scrapper build (It has variants)
• Condi engi (More fun, but more harder than scrapper, it has variants too)

Fractals & Raids

• Full dps condi engi (Arguably our best full dps build right now)
• Power bomb engi (Quite below from condi engi dps, but a way more easier build to play with)

Dungeons

The same builds from above, and the

• Classic power rifle build (Our first meta build after the big trait rework, and the build that defined our love and signature to kits )

As you can see, we arent so so empty of builds, perhaps the next patch might help to solve thw wvw issue, but for now, we have this :P

The solution for solve it? I would say a buff to any support mechanic/utility that we have, it would make us more valuable at parties for sure.

Sadly, it does’t take just a few months to play an Engineer. You’d have to have played the class before the nerfs/buffs/set backs/etc.

What makes this class great is the person who plays it behind the screen. We’ve had to change our paths, change our builds, find armor sets to compensate the lack of DPS/Mobility/All of that. We’re Engineers, we are meant to be the weak ones but we strive to be better and metas don’t always help unless you’re a NEW Engineer who goes for Crapper Hammer… i mean Scrapper Hammer.

Keep practicing but I suggest sticking with Pistol/Pistol, Rifle or Pistol/Shield. Hammer is great in PvP but sorta boring lol.

When I PuG fractals I’ve never had a problem with class on engi. I’ve even join some PuGs as a duo with friends and they were engi too and no problems.

Edit: This is with the power rotation: nades, Eg, Ft

Don’t get me wrong. I’m far away from grumble.
Few years ago I played big mmorpg from Blizz.
The huge difference it that they do advantage of any specialization, that you can choose for each class.
In my opinion each class/cpecialization should have basis.
Thief, big damage. But easy to kill.
Warrior, quite big damage, but strong enought to tank.
Ranger, big damage. Easy to kill. Kite abilities.

And we have engeenier:
- heal abilities, usless.
- full DPS condi damage. Easy to die, 3 range abilites and one close fight bombs. Insane. More, bombs and mokittenon’t attack champion/mob. You use it on ground, and mobility of your enemy give him huge advantage.
- Scrapper Hammer this just don’t interest me.

Now engineer builds have all, range attacks mixed with low range. Mid range granande with mid range pistols na long range mortar.

I don’t get the complaint … Engineer is great class if you learn how to play it. The fact you don’t see many has more to do with the level of attention and understanding you need to play it well, not that it’s a bad class and needs to be fixed. It’s got massive rotations and has the most connected number of traits and skills of any class. That learning curve isn’t achieved with a few months of play.

Your opinion is yours, but don’t mistake it with how the game is actually designed and interpret that difference as a ‘problem’ that needs to be fixed, including a minute by minute report from Anet on the progress to satisfy you.

Obtena.7952:

I don’t get the complaint … Engineer is great class if you learn how to play it. The fact you don’t see many has more to do with the level of attention and understanding you need to play it well, not that it’s a bad class and needs to be fixed. It’s got massive rotations and has the most connected number of traits and skills of any class. That learning curve isn’t achieved with a few months of play.

Your opinion is yours, but don’t mistake it with how the game is actually designed and interpret that difference as a ‘problem’ that needs to be fixed, including a minute by minute report from Anet on the progress to satisfy you.

Agree, plus it’s awesomr being rare

Rare indeed

Especially a Sylvari Engineer…

the problem is engi has to completely spec for each function heres another thing everyone overlooked you may be able to get mobility and cleanses or mobility and damage but how are you gonna deal damage without proper CC?

and that is why engi has gotten so unpopular engi cant just lockdown onto a target and burst them , so engi got reduced to trying to bunker as hard as possible

Obtena.7952:

I don’t get the complaint … Engineer is great class if you learn how to play it.

If you had learnt how to play then you would know why engy is deemed one of the weaker classes in PvE raids, and has been considered surplus to requirements in large scale WvW most of the game.

Obtena.7952:

Your opinion is yours, but don’t mistake it with how the game is actually designed …

The unintended irony is strong with you.

zinkz.7045:

If you had learnt how to play then you would know why engy is deemed one of the weaker classes in PvE raids, and has been considered surplus to requirements in large scale WvW most of the game.

Really? The profession is top single target condi dealer, necro only comes into competition when adds enter the fight and can be epidemic’ed. If you look at power build then it is ranked 4 or 5 for the build itself, but number 3 if you exclude multiple profession…. sure if one consider number 2 is already weak then yes engi is one of the weakest class in the game…. as every other non-Elementalist class.

Timo.1065:

I see few problems of Engineer:
1. Very low mobility. I have to use one build to get swiftnes and manage to folow another in WvW and word events, fractals ect.
2. Huge amount of skill, but only one meta. That weard. That kill fun. I want to use granades, tourest, not hammer.
3. There a lot of problems in topics below.

As said earlier you can have perma swiftness through streamlined kit, so when spec for mobility there is no real competition with others. Scapper also bring super speed and electric fields to stack swiftness and super speed, which can replace streamlined kit if you combo properly (or people around you do!).
Having only one Meta is more or less the definition of the word by now. It is supposed to be the most efficient build you can spec in for a definite role. But each game mode has at least 1 meta. In sPvP you have a support/bruiser Meta build, but the condi build is also quite good, close to become Meta. In raid you have two Meta builds condi one and power one… I am less comfortable with WvW Meta but there an engi can actually fill different roles as well like bringing tons of support or damages.

I would not really call engi a weak profession. Sure it is not easy to play, requires good bindings for your keys and a lot of focus to know when the hidden skills from kits are available. Sure turrets, gadgets and somehow elixirs are not in a state where they are interesting compared to kits but the skills themselves are not that bad. It’s just that combining them with weak weapons (which are weak because of kits) does not make a good mix.
And finally, no anet is not asnwering to complaints thread because devs have actually a real job and forum are made for people to complain. Nobody will just start a forum discussion to say “Elixir gun is a good skill” because there is nothing to answer. So their reaction has a form of balance updates for which they react to complaints if they feel it is necessary. But since basically there is a complaint thread about every single skill in the game (or at least skill type) they can’t take every complaint as serious (that is why they are dev and we are players… they are less emotionally involved).

zinkz.7045:

Obtena.7952:

I don’t get the complaint … Engineer is great class if you learn how to play it.

If you had learnt how to play then you would know why engy is deemed one of the weaker classes in PvE raids, and has been considered surplus to requirements in large scale WvW most of the game.

PVE raids is not a wide enough measure of a classes performance for PVE in general. You don’t need to learn to play the class to understand that. Besides, are you trying to tell me that no one plays engi because … PVE raid performance? That’s a stretch … what is your evidence of that? Are you even aware of what the OP’s complaint is?

Ranael.6423:

I would not really call engi a weak profession. Sure it is not easy to play, requires good bindings for your keys and a lot of focus to know when the hidden skills from kits are available. Sure turrets, gadgets and somehow elixirs are not in a state where they are interesting compared to kits but the skills themselves are not that bad. It’s just that combining them with weak weapons (which are weak because of kits) does not make a good mix.

This game Is focused on high damage and mobility. This isn’t WoW where you class split into dps, heal and tank and. Arena build this game in that way, and should give this this to different class. Ofcourse way to this whould be different, but all clas should have this. Engineer is hard to play, that is plus for him, and make graeta fun for player. But that is the only thing. That show numer of plyers. And pls stop talking that Engi i so unpopular cuz it’s hard to play. People like to play diffrent classen, someone feal good in healing, someone prefeer to tank, and the most like to do big damage. But the most like by players is to feal needed for their teamets. That the only thing Engi don’t give to players.

Ranael.6423:

And finally, no anet is not asnwering to complaints thread because devs have actually a real job and forum are made for people to complain. Nobody will just start a forum discussion to say “Elixir gun is a good skill” because there is nothing to answer. So their reaction has a form of balance updates for which they react to complaints if they feel it is necessary. But since basically there is a complaint thread about every single skill in the game (or at least skill type) they can’t take every complaint as serious (that is why they are dev and we are players… they are less emotionally involved).

I’m not complaining. I play this calss, I like it. I want to be a part of the game. That give me forum. I’ dont know Arena net like you. But people spend their time by posting on forum and try to make game batter. Look how many nagative post are about Enginners and nobody from Arena care about it. That’s sad.

I’m sorry, can’t really follow thread or complaint as grammar and spelling is really bad. Forum has auto spell check, just saying.
And as for the class, I am loving my Engi and have recently swapped over to the power side and its fun as! Ah well, to each their own.

Timo.1065:

I’m not complaining. I play this calss, I like it. I want to be a part of the game. That give me forum. I’ dont know Arena net like you. But people spend their time by posting on forum and try to make game batter. Look how many nagative post are about Enginners and nobody from Arena care about it. That’s sad.

The number of negative posts does not directly mean there is lots of things wrong with the class. The sad part is that people invent expectations, then say Anet is bad because they don’t meet those completely arbitrary expectations. No, Anet is not going to come here and have a conversation with you about all the things ‘bad’ about engi, just like they don’t do for any other class.

Ranael.6423:

Really? The profession is top single target condi dealer, necro only comes into competition when adds enter the fight and can be epidemic’ed. If you look at power build then it is ranked 4 or 5 for the build itself, but number 3 if you exclude multiple profession…. sure if one consider number 2 is already weak then yes engi is one of the weakest class in the game…. as every other non-Elementalist class.

Other classes bring unique stuff or better support to the table, they don’t have to beat elementalist on DPS, that is engies problem, the same problem as large scale WvW, it doesn’t bring anything special to the table.

Go look at https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4mszig/dnt_raid_team_composition_guide/ ,that is the reality of engy in raids, and this is the response by the guy in response to “no love for engies?” and why even with a bit lower DPS other classes are preferred:

Biggest issue is lack of unique buffs. engie has higher single target DPS than Necro or Warrior but necro and warrior bring so much more unique buffing potential. Condi engie either needs massive DPS buffs (unlikely due to PvP issues?) or some special utility.

I don’t know why you keep referring to preferences in raiding or cherry picking unique stuff (every class has unique stuff). Those aren’t really relevant to what the OP is talking about at all. Bringing special things to the table doesn’t make a class good and just because it’s not the best doesn’t mean it’s the worst either. For 4 years we have been hearing about how DPS is king, now you’re saying it’s not the main measure of what makes a class good? If that’s true, it’s for such a small part of the game and affects such a small percent of the population, that it’s not even worth mentioning. I mean, you’re talking about engineered teams that rip through raids like lightning. That’s such a meaningless situation to most people in the game. It certainly doesn’t indicate Engi is a bad class or has fundamental problems.

The guy you refer to might have a point in a small team situation, where you want to be picky about getting the right class if your running a specific team makeup. I don’t actually see how not having enough ‘unique buffing’ potential in a raid with 10 people makes any sense, ESPECIALLY in those engineered team situations. At what point do you have all the buffs you need? It’s certainly not 10 people.

I guess my point is that people think they need these optimal solutions to game content … they never did and based on success I’ve seen in raids, they still don’t. That’s what makes GW2 good. I’m not forced into playing ‘the best’ class for anything … except when I’m teamed with people that don’t know what they are doing. This is the old “play meta or GTFO” that we had with dungeons 3 years ago all over again. It’s just stupid.

Obtena.7952:

This is the old “play meta or GTFO” that we had with dungeons 3 years ago all over again. It’s just stupid.

Amen and drop the mic…………

Oh, btw, people and developers are more active with this stuff in the Guild wars 2 subreddit :P

The only weakness this class have, aside form some adjustments, is that you can easily wear off completely your keyboard or mouse lol.

Seteruss.4058:

The only weakness this class have, aside form some adjustments, is that you can easily wear off completely your keyboard or mouse lol.

You have no idea. I should tell you a story of the days of grenades and pre-fast cast, but those are painful memories I like to not think about. My hands cringe and twitch just thinking about it.

But anyways, engineer itself is mostly fine imo, and I’m not going to get into what needs changed. From what I’ve seen what makes it unpopular is that it takes a lot more button pushing to get the DPS that other classes provide when competing for the same role. And as far as healing and support goes, great projectile denial, but our fields last to long and get in the way, but the AoE heals themselves are pretty good.

its so hard to take OP seriously with all the broken english, hell even the title is broken….if english isn’t your 1st language or your not used to it, do mention, otherwise it sounds funny, that i can’t take your opinion seriously.

play however you want to play, no one is forcing you to play meta, i don’t get your problem at all, you need to play the class more before you complain.