Guild Wars 2

Kit Refinement: This trait now has an internal cooldown of 10 seconds globally for Flamethrower, Elixir Gun, Grenade Kit, and Tool Kit.

Dunno what Anet were thinking about…

Well that could be interesting. I don’t run a Kit Refine but seems like that could change things up a bit…

Btw, here’s the link for anyone wondering:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Game-Update-Notes-February-26-2013

expected.
honestly, it was just too powerful.

100nades isn’t gone. Jump in the air while switching to a kit will not have Kit Refinement skills go off. It just means you have to be a bit smart about when you use it.

Well, this doesn’t remove 100 Nades. It just means you have to be careful with Tool Kit and Grenade Kit equips. You don’t want a Tool Kit activation of the cooldown to wreck the Grenade Kit one.

it doesn’t hit 100nade as much as multi kit build. kitten that’s kitten

Ayestes : How annoying will it be, each time you switch to toolkit, you’ll have to jump in the air before pulling.

Why, among all the class, did they have to nerf engineer? Mesmer didn’t get a nerf, guardian didnt, Elem got a small nerf. Really..

In my opinion 100 Nade build was a bad build and you should feel bad for using it, it had no true skill or use for the fullness of the class that we are

It didn’t need a nerf, I agree. I’m just saying it doesn’t remove the build entirely. Especially one that just makes it more frustrating to manage.

Global CD isnt best solution… Why they just dont fix that barrage spread exploit inside of models. Lots of good builds will be negatively sideeffected by this.

Rozbuska.5263:

Global CD isnt best solution… Why they just dont fix that barrage spread exploit inside of models. Lots of good builds will be negatively sideeffected by this.

or just nerf the barrage on nade refinement or give it a new effect or increase the cooldown on it >_<

That would have been a lot better.

I didn’t mind a nerf to 100nade, but this is a nerf to every build that used kit refinement.

Guys, this was a buff to hundred nades. A HUGE buff to hundred nades.

Ostricheggs : You are right.

They actually bufed 100 nade.

Which is kitten

I wanted to go away from 100nade, now they buff it and nerf every other kit refinement build? what the?

This is a slight buff by the way, not worth the assle to jump in the air each time you switch kit.

I didn’t think the introduction of a global cooldown meant the per skill cooldowns were going away, interesting.

It’s clearly intended to be a nerf to kit refinement builds in general (don’t know why).
It leaves 100 nades completely the way it is.
If you’re forced to equip toolkit b4 unleashing your grenade burst, you can just jump and problem solved.

But at the same time, the kit refinement nails proc from toolkit was very handy.

Overall a really weird nerf.

I’m pretty sure they don’t know about the jump-switch kit.

Yep… Its basically 4 grenade barrages in 25 seconds now… if my math skills dont let me down on this….
at 0 seconds greande barrage from kit refinement and toolbelt, 10s kit refinement, 20-25 s kit refinement and toolbelt… wait, that´s 5 O_O
Only problem is with toolkit. Now engineers cant swap all too mindlessly…. I now consider using net turret for some extra hold.
And I guess engineer got way more melee oriented with this patch…. wlel at least in my opinion

The wording is a bit ambiguous, I’ll reserve judgement until I actually get to test what they really mean by that.

Considering the history of changes to the class, them nerfing all kit refinement builds rather than targeting 100nades specifically probably wouldn’t surprise anyone though.

I don’t see this as 100 nades being gone. I see it as 100 nades being more difficult to pull off, i.e. more skill is required.

grenade kit refinement still has it’s normal cd, now just combined with a internal cd between kits of 10sec! “yay”

@Vuh

Are you serious?

did you try it? I’m still downloading the patch.

Kardiamond.6952:

@Vuh

Are you serious?

did you try it? I’m still downloading the patch.

my mistake, it still works normally between toolkit and nade kit. was just paying attention to nade barrage cd

100nade build still works perfectly fine, now with more confusion!

So the change dind’t work between toolkit and grenade? wonderful!

Yeah, I’m not seeing this 10 second cd. Although I don’t normally use the 100nade build.

So I might be missing something… I can greande barrage and then swap to flamethrower or toolkit and both effects work….

NickDollahZ.5348:

Yeah, I’m not seeing this 10 second cd. Although I don’t normally use the 100nade build.

So I might be missing something… I can greande barrage and then swap to flamethrower or toolkit and both effects work….

But u cant equip FT and then grenade barrage so im wondering is this how it should work or is the cd just buggy.

EDIT: Seems FT and EG only triggers internal cd

It seems now that engi’s have more consistent access to Confusion than mesmers… interesting…