Guild Wars 2

Bois and grills,
I see the tears, cries, whimpers from the scared and worried that plague this section of the forum. Let me set some of you kitten mofos straight. Holosmith gives us the kit we deserve AND the one we need right now. It hurts my soul seeing the levels of uninspiring and unimaginativeness oozing from the engi forum.

Ima show you bois how the kitten to do this:

Photon forge mode – a free kit replacing f5. So you lose Moa a little saddening, orbital strike is kitten tier laughable. No big deal. So now you dont need tookit for power spec. (+1 utility slot)

New Elite – Unblockable. Shall I go on? We have NO other direct unblocks. And dont tell me elix gun 4 cause ppl have to be kittened to stay in it longer than 1 tick.

New traits – So you dont need to take alchemy anymore. Thank kitten someone is paying attention. Trait for condi loss on exit of forge and take the new heal for toolbelt skill. While we are here, so-kittening-long turret. RIP.

Now, stop being kittening boring and ditch Inventions. Now we have 2 traitlines we can use instead. Explosives/Firearms and Tools. Take firearms for condi with our new sword. Explosives and tools for more splosion dps. If you havent noticed most of our new skills do explosive dps.

RIFLE – Yes I said it. We are now rifle warriors with reaper shroud for those of you thinking of re-rolling. Naturally we arent as good as either but think of them as specialised. We are now 2 classes in 1.

Back to forge – 240 range auto attacks. A leap on 2 sec cooldown which can be traited for superspeed. No more engi-kite kitten. WE CAN HIT PPL. Doing 3k non crits (subject to further testing) when overheating. We are a walking time bomb that our enemies cannot escape. Wake up.

Now for remaining utils, Maybe we dont need elix gun anymore cause we can cleanse more condis from the trait (gaining required heat and exiting forge) 6 sec cd for forge. Rinse, repeat. So now we can take Elix U for quickness autoattacks combined with a leap on a please nerf me level of cd (see where this is going) we become what power reaper has wet dreams of. Take the new util that breaks stuns and reduces dps. So now if you a kitten you can take Elix S. Or really whatever you need.

Im running out of time as Im bout to catch a plane. Ill make a better post when Im
home with less aggression and some genuine build ideas. For now stop being kittening kitten and crying.

TL:DR

We good bois, 1 new spec frees up 2 traitlines and 2 utilities. Stop the kittening till test week, then tell me Im wrong.

https://youtu.be/Z-48u_uWMHY?t=172

OT: FYI TL;DR is put in the beginning, not at the end ;p

Hard to chill out when our new core mechanic is about generating heat :P

So we are now standard warrior. yay.

you are the hero we need. The metaphorical batman. Based engineer!

We don’t need a hero. We need a dev.

I’ve been thinking about possible builds that Holosmith presents. There’s a lot of possibilities – we can do power damage, take the triat that gives us 150% heat capacity and keep going in and out of Holosmith to keep that sweet 100-150% heat level, cleansing condis and healing ourselfs with the minor trait.
Or we can go the suicide bomber, either condi or power, take elixir U and build as much heat as possible as quickly as possible.
Or we can go condi dodger, take Tools for endurance trait and Firearms for Vigor trait to combo with the leap from Holosmith that gives.
Oh my god, I’m almost lost in possibilities.

Nate.8146:

Hard to chill out when our new core mechanic is about generating heat :P

Ha-Ha! HAAAAAAAA!

I find people like OP extremely offensive. We have our own minds, and can think on our own. 99% of players dont base their opinions on what people on the forums say.

Most players stay away from the forums bc of all the unofficial Anet apologist-lurker-spokesmen constantly dismissing & trolling people who try to make legitimate criticisms.

This forum is meant to discuss ideas and criticisms. If you don’t like it, maybe you shouldn’t spend hours lurking the forums. For god sakes, maybe let Anet actually respond to players who spend more time in-game than the forums.

Most people I know stay away from forums because instead of interesting discussions about builds or strategiy there is only constant whining about everything and all useful informations are elsewhere.

Daerian.6523:

Most people I know stay away from forums because instead of interesting discussions about builds or strategiy there is only constant whining about everything and all useful informations are elsewhere.

Oh yeah!? Most people I know could beat up most people you know! Why!? Because the Internet™.

To be fair, we used to have discussions about builds and strategy before we were gutted and dumbed down into less than a handful of viable specs before the first/last expansion. Now we talk about new armour stats, about chasing them, crafting them, and then losing all over again after we’ve gotten them.

All joking aside(never mind – I just remembered where I’m posting), Rifle warriors are still better and more focused than Rifle/anything engineers. The moment you equip a kit, save for the laughable mortar kit, you give up any hope of ranged parity and then you lose in melee.

Mortar kit is just an invitation for the enemy to run up and slap you with it. Not to hurt you, but more as an intervention in the hopes that you’ll reroll and continue to log in and provide them with someone to fight against in one of gw2’s flagging competitive game modes. But back to warriors.

When a warriors swap weapons it’s because they’re getting ready to dance on your corpse but want a suitably impressive screen shot with their legendary. Well, that is except for when it’s against an engineer. Winning against an engineer is the gw2 equivalent of winning the special olympics – and nobody bothers screen capturing that.

Silly thing is rifles are just one of many many weapons warriors excel with and seemingly get better with as the game progresses. Engineers, on the other hand, were built around rifles and they’re rubbish with them. That there’s even a comparison to warriors is sad(delusional.) Sadder still is that the class being given rifles in the expansion is going to be better with them out of the gate than we’ve ever been.

As far as crying – that was done with years ago. Now it’s just a shifting back and forth between occasional reflection and morbid curiosity as we circle the drain and wait to see just how low this profession will fall.

TeaPotty.5941:

I find people like OP extremely offensive. We have our own minds, and can think on our own. 99% of players dont base their opinions on what people on the forums say.

Most players stay away from the forums bc of all the unofficial Anet apologist-lurker-spokesmen constantly dismissing & trolling people who try to make legitimate criticisms.

This forum is meant to discuss ideas and criticisms. If you don’t like it, maybe you shouldn’t spend hours lurking the forums. For god sakes, maybe let Anet actually respond to players who spend more time in-game than the forums.

whoa…

I wish you the absolute best of luck in your possibly finite wait for red acknowledgment and responses! maybe it will happen tomorrow, but you’ll never know unless you lurk the forums every day!

oh and, I only read the ops tldr, but from him saying “stop crying till you try it” or whatever in that last sentence, he is perhaps the least offensive person on this sub, imo. maybe you need to reconsider your thought processes because for the second thread in a week you seem full of weird crazy talk.

inb4 I get weirdly labelled an apologist-lurker-spokesman LOL

UncleDrew.1763:

New traits – So you dont need to take alchemy anymore. Thank kitten someone is paying attention. Trait for condi loss on exit of forge and take the new heal for toolbelt skill. While we are here, so-kittening-long turret. RIP.

I don’t think Alchemy will be so easily replaced, because Alchemy is taken in WvW/PvP for a lot more than just condi clear. HGH reduces the cooldown of Elixir Gun skills, Inversion Enzyme actually gives us a purpose in zergs, and Iron Blooded, Protection Injection, and Self-Regulating Defenses are fairly massive survivability boosts. We haven’t ran any elixirs on our bar for 2+ years; the condi clear is kind of irrelevant at this point now that we run the Purge Gyro. I mostly take HGH for the might stacking on E-Gun skills.

UncleDrew.1763:

Now, stop being kittening boring and ditch Inventions. Now we have 2 traitlines we can use instead. Explosives/Firearms and Tools. Take firearms for condi with our new sword. Explosives and tools for more splosion dps. If you havent noticed most of our new skills do explosive dps.

There is nothing about the new specialization that encourages us to ditch Inventions, either. There are a couple survivability traits in the Holosmith tree, and that’s nice, but none of them really compare to Bunker Down, even after it was nerfed. The big thing to remember is that with the new specialization we’ll be getting access to a power-based main-hand weapon, giving the shield some actual use for once. The shield skill CD reduction trait is in Inventions.

I’m sure after the dust settles we’ll still be running Inventions and Alchemy together with Holosmith. Holosmith is much squishier than Scrapper and will also have significantly less stability to work with. I wouldn’t be surprised if Elixir B and Elixir S return to our bar when we run Holosmith for this reason—at the very least keeping Alchemy in the build.

It’s very well possible that sword/shield just won’t be as good as rifle or sword/pistol, thereby pushing a lot of the reason behind Inventions out of the build. If the rumors are true and today’s balance patch will be touching up on some gadgets and making them more useful, it’s also very well possible that Tools as a traitline will become an increasingly viable option; Tools/Alchemy/Holosmith would, in this instance, probably be ideal.

UncleDrew.1763:

Now for remaining utils, Maybe we dont need elix gun anymore cause we can cleanse more condis from the trait (gaining required heat and exiting forge) 6 sec cd for forge. Rinse, repeat. So now we can take Elix U for quickness autoattacks combined with a leap on a please nerf me level of cd (see where this is going) we become what power reaper has wet dreams of. Take the new util that breaks stuns and reduces dps. So now if you a kitten you can take Elix S. Or really whatever you need.

I think you’re really underselling the Elixir Gun here by implying its singular purpose is condi cleanse.

The Elixir Gun’s Acid Bomb is great area denial and is useful against downed targets for cleave damage. Fumigate doesn’t cleanse conditions on ourselves, but it does a hefty amount of cleansing on allies and can be traited to convert conditions into boons. Outside of Tool Kit’s Box of Nails, Glob Shot is one of the most effective ways to maintain cripple on a target while giving yourself swiftness (which with scrapper was also a survivability boost with Rapid Regeneration). Super Elixir is a light field, which can be leaped through for Light Aura, which is a massive damage boost when it is active. Both the sword and forge form have leaps, so I don’t really see the Elixir Gun going anywhere. This is also not taking into consideration the fact that its toolbelt skill is a stun breaker, and that its auto attack, Tranquilizer Dart, maintains permanent weakness on targets.

The Elixir Gun is literally the most powerful singular utility skill this class has, and it rarely leaves our bar for that reason. Every single skill on the bar, including its tool belt, has a valuable use in the right hands. And unless ArenaNet does some drastic changes to core engineer utility skills (e.g., gadgets) in today’s pre-PoF major balance pass, I don’t see that changing.

Killyox.3950:

OT: FYI TL;DR is put in the beginning, not at the end ;p

No, it goes at the end. How else will people know whether or not they want to read what I have to say if I put it at the start? I’m not that helpful and besides why would I encourage ppl to skip what I have to say? Why make the post at all? :P

Samug.6512:

Oh my god, I’m almost lost in possibilities.

If this isn’t sarcasm then I’m glad you feel the same way.

TeaPotty.5941:

I find people like OP extremely offensive. We have our own minds, and can think on our own. 99% of players dont base their opinions on what people on the forums say.

Most players stay away from the forums bc of all the unofficial Anet apologist-lurker-spokesmen constantly dismissing & trolling people who try to make legitimate criticisms.

This forum is meant to discuss ideas and criticisms. If you don’t like it, maybe you shouldn’t spend hours lurking the forums. For god sakes, maybe let Anet actually respond to players who spend more time in-game than the forums.

Okay, I’ll take the ‘high’ road. Sorry if I offended you. I dont spend hours lurking, if you check my posts I have like 5 maybe. Legit criticisms = ppl crying ‘’our new spec is kitten blah blah blah." Yeh my bad, totally legit. When 6/10 posts are complaints its totally not narcissistic or kitteny at all. And I’m 10000% sure I have more in game time than forum time, and anet dont answer anything even mildly controversial regarding the subject. If I’m wrong link me to an engi response please.

Daerian.6523:

Most people I know stay away from forums because instead of interesting discussions about builds or strategiy there is only constant whining about everything and all useful informations are elsewhere.

I agree, and I’m trying to change this. My posts – I hope – will promote more valuable discussion.

Phineas Poe.3018:

UncleDrew.1763:

New traits – So you dont need to take alchemy anymore. Thank kitten someone is paying attention. Trait for condi loss on exit of forge and take the new heal for toolbelt skill. While we are here, so-kittening-long turret. RIP.

I don’t think Alchemy will be so easily replaced, because Alchemy is taken in WvW/PvP for a lot more than just condi clear. HGH reduces the cooldown of Elixir Gun skills, Inversion Enzyme actually gives us a purpose in zergs, and Iron Blooded, Protection Injection, and Self-Regulating Defenses are fairly massive survivability boosts. We haven’t ran any elixirs on our bar for 2+ years; the condi clear is kind of irrelevant at this point now that we run the Purge Gyro. I mostly take HGH for the might stacking on E-Gun skills.

UncleDrew.1763:

Now, stop being kittening boring and ditch Inventions. Now we have 2 traitlines we can use instead. Explosives/Firearms and Tools. Take firearms for condi with our new sword. Explosives and tools for more splosion dps. If you havent noticed most of our new skills do explosive dps.

There is nothing about the new specialization that encourages us to ditch Inventions, either. There are a couple survivability traits in the Holosmith tree, and that’s nice, but none of them really compare to Bunker Down, even after it was nerfed. The big thing to remember is that with the new specialization we’ll be getting access to a power-based main-hand weapon, giving the shield some actual use for once. The shield skill CD reduction trait is in Inventions.

I’m sure after the dust settles we’ll still be running Inventions and Alchemy together with Holosmith. Holosmith is much squishier than Scrapper and will also have significantly less stability to work with. I wouldn’t be surprised if Elixir B and Elixir S return to our bar when we run Holosmith for this reason—at the very least keeping Alchemy in the build.

It’s very well possible that sword/shield just won’t be as good as rifle or sword/pistol, thereby pushing a lot of the reason behind Inventions out of the build. If the rumors are true and today’s balance patch will be touching up on some gadgets and making them more useful, it’s also very well possible that Tools as a traitline will become an increasingly viable option; Tools/Alchemy/Holosmith would, in this instance, probably be ideal.

UncleDrew.1763:

Now for remaining utils, Maybe we dont need elix gun anymore cause we can cleanse more condis from the trait (gaining required heat and exiting forge) 6 sec cd for forge. Rinse, repeat. So now we can take Elix U for quickness autoattacks combined with a leap on a please nerf me level of cd (see where this is going) we become what power reaper has wet dreams of. Take the new util that breaks stuns and reduces dps. So now if you a kitten you can take Elix S. Or really whatever you need.

I think you’re really underselling the Elixir Gun here by implying its singular purpose is condi cleanse.

The Elixir Gun’s Acid Bomb is great area denial and is useful against downed targets for cleave damage. Fumigate doesn’t cleanse conditions on ourselves, but it does a hefty amount of cleansing on allies and can be traited to convert conditions into boons. Outside of Tool Kit’s Box of Nails, Glob Shot is one of the most effective ways to maintain cripple on a target while giving yourself swiftness (which with scrapper was also a survivability boost with Rapid Regeneration). Super Elixir is a light field, which can be leaped through for Light Aura, which is a massive damage boost when it is active. Both the sword and forge form have leaps, so I don’t really see the Elixir Gun going anywhere. This is also not taking into consideration the fact that its toolbelt skill is a stun breaker, and that its auto attack, Tranquilizer Dart, maintains permanent weakness on targets.

The Elixir Gun is literally the most powerful singular utility skill this class has, and it rarely leaves our bar for that reason. Every single skill on the bar, including its tool belt, has a valuable use in the right hands. And unless ArenaNet does some drastic changes to core engineer utility skills (e.g., gadgets) in today’s pre-PoF major balance pass, I don’t see that changing.

Its hard for me to reply to this properly on my phone. So I will say thank you for your criticisms and viewpoints. Gimme another day and I’ll be able to respond. Ta

Nate.8146:

Hard to chill out when our new core mechanic is about generating heat :P

You got me :P Checkmate atheists.

As someone who wrote a post about whether we should wait another 5 years before they make changes, written before yesterday’s patch notes btw, I have to say that the outrage is really because engineers have basically had to wait each expansion for major updates to the class which is a loooooooong time.

I do have to also point out that while there is another expansion on the horizon the expectation is to not see anymore updates to the class because that’s actually what happened to us in the past when HoT was released. After that there was really nothing of significance to expect to be updated until now.

If they have a better update schedule for these things for neglected classes like the Engineers moving forward then yes people should calm down, but if there is going to be another dry spell for years on end between updates until the next expansion comes along after PoF then no people should be concerned.

I’d love to know if they have a better update schedule now that might calm some people down if they knew that more patches are coming for the balance of this class and ultimately the fixing of the traits.

when you have to change how something works and not just how good it works, those are the changes anet doesnt want to constantly do and saves for expansion times. those are the changes that engi often needs. thats why we constantly have to wait. because no one wants to come up with or support simple numbers changes that would made bad things better and they would rather have shiny new things that work differently and cost animator and programmer time rather than just balance team time.