Death of Cleric's Engineer and Healer
It was never alive. This whining about healing bombs is getting so old.
I also prefer when someone revive an old post than start his own copycat.
ANet killet Cleric engineer, we are so many to agree, but we already expressed ourself somewhere else, and when you start a 5 late replies post, it worth less than revive a 100 strong replies with lot of args and debate.
I normally dont respond to posts like this but you are so far off base I had to.
What is a Clerics engi? I almost thought this post was a troll but then I read the entire post and saw that you were serious. As far as not wanting to play an engi in HoT I think you are missing out. They just gave us an AOE moa which is incredibly strong AND a mini sky hammer. Soon we will also have hammers. What more can you want? Condi is amazing p/p and p/s also zerk riffle is still just as good as ever if not more. You have so much cc as an engi I dont even understand why anyone would want clerics anything. I run full glass in spvp, wvw and pve and never run out of buttons and escapes. When we get our hammers the trolling and joy will be endless. Seriously it sounds like you should roll a guardian or a girlfriend specced ele.
Omie.4519I normally dont respond to posts like this but you are so far off base I had to.
What is a Clerics engi? I almost thought this post was a troll but then I read the entire post and saw that you were serious. As far as not wanting to play an engi in HoT I think you are missing out. They just gave us an AOE moa which is incredibly strong AND a mini sky hammer. Soon we will also have hammers. What more can you want? Condi is amazing p/p and p/s also zerk riffle is still just as good as ever if not more. You have so much cc as an engi I dont even understand why anyone would want clerics anything. I run full glass in spvp, wvw and pve and never run out of buttons and escapes. When we get our hammers the trolling and joy will be endless. Seriously it sounds like you should roll a guardian or a girlfriend specced ele.
Did you even read their post?
They know about the other builds and stat combos. They’re lamenting the loss of what was probably their own favourite playing style- supporting others via healing.
Whether or not the rest of you agreed with it, or outright kicked players from your groups for it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t a thing in the past. I’d mixed and matched armours, weapons, and accessories for a mix of healing and damage and to good effect before the update. Healing doesn’t work as well now, certainly not in WvW or PVE for Engineers as once it did.
The stats changes had little effect on healing by comparison to our traitings. There once was a compromise, a way to do solid sustainable healing whilst damaging before with healing bombs. Now there is no compromise. Gadgets and turrets are rubbish but that’s a side discussion all its own.
Even so, as you’ve stated, going full damage is often better -if not better in every situation for Engineers now. What was once a choice is now a fait accomplis -kitten ed whether you do or don’t.
Knowing this, and knowing about our getting a dubious new weapon and elite specialisation, which are going to get the least pre-launch exposure and correction, doesn’t make the pill any sweeter to swallow.
The OP is right to be concerned until we’re shown otherwise.
Favorite playstyle
…Clerics engi.
…wat
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Did you even read their post?
They know about the other builds and stat combos. They’re lamenting the loss of what was probably their own favourite playing style- supporting others via healing.
Whether or not the rest of you agreed with it, or outright kicked players from your groups for it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t a thing in the past. I’d mixed and matched armours, weapons, and accessories for a mix of healing and damage and to good effect before the update. Healing doesn’t work as well now, certainly not in WvW or PVE for Engineers as once it did.
The stats changes had little effect on healing by comparison to our traitings. There once was a compromise, a way to do solid sustainable healing whilst damaging before with healing bombs. Now there is no compromise. Gadgets and turrets are rubbish but that’s a side discussion all its own.
Even so, as you’ve stated, going full damage is often better -if not better in every situation for Engineers now. What was once a choice is now a fait accomplis -kitten ed whether you do or don’t.
Knowing this, and knowing about our getting a dubious new weapon and elite specialisation, which are going to get the least pre-launch exposure and correction, doesn’t make the pill any sweeter to swallow.
The OP is right to be concerned until we’re shown otherwise.
i agree on everything – i played an hybrid build before – but for this and that change (pay attention CHANGE) i lost my game style – after 2 years . yes – then we can talk of what we got in exchange???? moving traits here and there and some were and some are still broken -
at the end of this big 23rd patch is even more simple what to play: berserk-knight or dire-rabid
nothing in the middle – at least for engis – and its for pve-wvw of course
can still have fun running 3kits if not 4 in pvp as celestial pistol-shield
so…
indeed with some “changes” (lets call them even nerf) only rifle is a good weapon dps-damage-range
and example? pistol-shield and eg together (even if eg gains 3 skills with hgh trait) are simply a problem to handle – especially in outnumbered fights in wvw
and yes – again i repeat it – i lost my gamestyle.
and by the way its not a complain on players and on anet – its a state of fact
“There’s no such thing as balance, fairness or honor.”
a Fissure Of Woe player that has no home.
a Fissure Of Woe player that has no home.
I normally dont respond to posts like this but you are so far off base I had to.
What is a Clerics engi? I almost thought this post was a troll but then I read the entire post and saw that you were serious. As far as not wanting to play an engi in HoT I think you are missing out. They just gave us an AOE moa which is incredibly strong AND a mini sky hammer. Soon we will also have hammers. What more can you want? Condi is amazing p/p and p/s also zerk riffle is still just as good as ever if not more. You have so much cc as an engi I dont even understand why anyone would want clerics anything. I run full glass in spvp, wvw and pve and never run out of buttons and escapes. When we get our hammers the trolling and joy will be endless. Seriously it sounds like you should roll a guardian or a girlfriend specced ele.
I like the AOE moa and the idea of the hammer. I was only wanting to get back the Cleric’s engi for a bit with healing bombs. Everyone keeps saying “Wait til Heart of Thorns and almost everything should come back” And I’m more concerned that things are not only going to severely change, but engi will end up probably being an entirely different class.
I run full glass in spvp, wvw and pve and never run out of buttons and escapes. When we get our hammers the trolling and joy will be endless. Seriously it sounds like you should roll a guardian or a girlfriend specced ele.
People have their own favourite playstyles, and sure cleric engy is not optimum, but then neither is you playing full glass in PvP, something that basically has not been “meta” in PvP for three years because glass engy is inferior to glass other classes and inferior to other engy builds, so to use your “logic” sounds like you should be playing mesmer.
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Why do I need to play mesmer when all I do is moa and yank people into holes on skyhammer? Pls tell me more about my game mode.
personally, i loved the cleric armor engi for its insane power output..3k power is no small amount when you have 3.2k armor and a crazy high sustain on top of all that. and although i am sad to see its death..it WAS over- powered … my biggest frustration is the near complete lack of info on Engineers so far for HoT, all we know is 1 word…“hammer”
Dear Anet: Please Aoe knock back. Thanks.
I wanted was to do something besides zerker and condi, but apparently they seem happy to nerf engineer out of every category.
Those were always your choices. Anything else you ran may have been enjoyable to you, but was probably gimping your group: even in a world where ’serker is not the order of the day that would have been a poor choice.
That aside, I am truly sorry that the build you were playing is no longer possible, but guess what: it happens to all of us. There is nothing special or sacred about what you were running to warrant bending over backward to bring it back.
At the very least you should get in line behind the dozens of builds left no longer viable by years of balance.
I think that is the point exactly. Why should using something other then sinister or zerker be kitten in your group?
I think that is the point exactly. Why should using something other then sinister or zerker be kitten in your group?
That is not magically an engineer or a recent issue. That has always been the case.
I do not want it to be the case, and am asserting that EIB, clerics or what have you does not actually fix anything.
At the core, it is an encounter design issue.
No one is suggesting it is directly related to the engineer as a profession, why would you suggest so? This is simply the engineer subforum, so we discuss it in the context of the engineer here. EIB was a level of viability to the profession that no longer exist. No one is asking you to use it, so why are you against it for those who loved and used it previously? Do you have some example of how the traits existence harmed your personal game play in some fashion previously?
No one is suggesting it is directly related to the engineer as a profession, why would you suggest so? This is simply the engineer subforum, so we discuss it in the context of the engineer here. EIB was a level of viability to the profession that no longer exist. No one is asking you to use it, so why are you against it for those who loved and used it previously? Do you have some example of how the traits existence harmed your personal game play in some fashion previously?
Before I would not care, but now, we are extremely limited on traits. A-Net seems to be serious about the 3 per tier limit.
Every bad trait left and every bad trait that A-Net adds takes away from a slot where a good trait could go.
And more than that, I object entirely to the assertion that EIB was ever ‘viable’. Or that it is/was important enough to bring back over things that would make the profession much more interesting.
Also, generally, I think traits, skills and playstyles that encourage AA-spam and passive gameplay are detrimental to the game as a whole, but that is a different matter.
I have a healing power engineer. All I can say is that if you focused or had a mindset that was all about healing / support only you’re going to have a bad time, elixir bombs or not.
personally, i loved the cleric armor engi for its insane power output..3k power is no small amount when you have 3.2k armor and a crazy high sustain on top of all that. and although i am sad to see its death..it WAS over- powered … my biggest frustration is the near complete lack of info on Engineers so far for HoT, all we know is 1 word…“hammer”
Perhaps they will listen to us and not be so hammer focused that they forget about Elixir Infused Bombs and the healing power to attack power converter that got you up to 3k attack power under the right conditions without Might. Engi was a tanky healer with just enough attack power to make you feel the hurt but not too much to the point it was op. Now healers hit like a wet noodle and people keep saying to fall in line with some other build. I’m not on board with other builds. While condi and zerker were fun, I want my healing build back. If they are so tunnel visioned on Hammer and drones to the point they forget about healer engi, then I am going to play something else that actually pays attention to all of the aspects of the class. If they are punishing the engi healer, who knows how bad it is going to be for the other classes as well. Maybe they might take away over half of the ele’s waterfields? Or for engi cut the attack power of bombs and grenades by 1/2? All people keep paying attention to is Heart of Thorns as a title and not the details as to how jacked up they are making the classes. The only hope is that through a thread they may possibly listen and restore some of our abilities that made us somewhat worthwhile in zerging. Until then, it doesn’t matter if you are meta or not, you will still be picked LAST for zerging and frowned upon for being engi rather than a more stable class that doesn’t constantly change like the wind.