Guild Wars 2

Greetings everyone! My very first PvP is now ready, it’s a bit rushed, but wanted to get it out before the patch tomorrow, since somethings a going to change as it seems now!

The trait setup I used for this video is following:
http://www.gw2db.com/skills/calc/engineer#14|0|2729|253|2454|4052|4065|30|1422|1417|1885|10|2266|0|0|0|0|0|0|30|1470|1473|1033|0|0|0|0|0|0|1|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|

Which I have been using for quite some time now, and found it working quite well for me! So after some friends said I should make a video I finally got myself to do it! So hope you enjoy and fell welcome to leave a comment!
There is a lot of footage of duels with other level 80s, and in general my goal with the video have been to show that an Engineer can stand a fighting chance against other classes in WvsW!

The Movie! Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwAmovcxGww&feature=youtube_gdata

I do not mean to denigrate your video (which is well edited, has good music, has you playing pretty smart, and has a few good matchups). It is a “good” engineer video.

But it’s mostly 1v1s unless you’re fighting some really horrible folks (the first few kills in your video are against some pretty helpless foes). Meanwhile this is a “good” elementalist video, which is… you think the elementalist has a death wish until you realize how good they are and the strategy they’re using.

Engineer needs buffs so bad. Every class should be capable of outplaying that many people to that degree when they’re that much better.

That’s a good elementalist video, but there are problems with that one, too.

There are many times when every cantrip is on cooldown, but no one is CCing the Elementalist. With that many players around, that player should have died 10 times over. Especially if anyone had bothered to chase the them down when they ran away. Half the reason that video seems so epic is because they allowed the elementalist to escape and heal up, over and over again.

Now, the Engineer build from this thread in that situation would be in an even worse position, sure. All I’m saying is, that build shouldn’t have been able to do what that Elementalist was doing. Player skill -or lackthereof from the opponents- won the day, not necessarily the build itself.

When the strength of the build itself isn’t the reason for the epic PvP video, it’s hard to use that video to justify buffs to your own class. I do agree that either the Engineer needs some love, or they need to say that this class is balanced, and proceed to bring some of the specs from other classes down to our level. Since the community generally doesn’t like nerfs, it should probably be the former.

-Travail.

Travail.7390:

There are many times when every cantrip is on cooldown, but no one is CCing the Elementalist. With that many players around, that player should have died 10 times over.

Having fought against elementalists like that as an engineer, I can say it can be very tricky to be in range for good CC. The hallmark of that video is the absurd mobility. If you watch they set, you’ll see people do try to CC and they keep ending up out of range because of projectile travel time and well-executed use of LOS.

Note for example the frequent decision to fight amongst trees or other obstructions. This seemingly innocuous decision gives mobility players a pretty big edge. Watch the other videos in the series for really brilliant uses of the terrain for high-mobility characters.

Travail.7390:

Especially if anyone had bothered to chase the them down when they ran away. Half the reason that video seems so epic is because they allowed the elementalist to escape and heal up, over and over again.

It is all but impossible to stop a D/D elementalist from escaping. They can shrug off almost every CC with ease if they need to.

There is no strategy for Engineers that would allow them to win or even survive an 8v1 except turtle-mode (shield, toolkit shield, active elixir s, passive elixir s), and turtle mode is not sustainable; you’d need a 1-way door nearby like in WvW. Believe me, I’ve tried to find a way. Tankcat has nothing on Water D/D elementalists.

It’s unfortunate.

How you gonna do it if you really dont wanna dance?
+1
Grenades are miracle workers in WvW; wouldn’t leave home without em.
Great video! I hope folks take note and pick up on the finesse of the Engi.
Hopefully we get some bug fixes and general quality of life improvements :-/

KirinDave.6451:

Travail.7390:

There are many times when every cantrip is on cooldown, but no one is CCing the Elementalist. With that many players around, that player should have died 10 times over.

Having fought against elementalists like that as an engineer, I can say it can be very tricky to be in range for good CC. The hallmark of that video is the absurd mobility. If you watch they set, you’ll see people do try to CC and they keep ending up out of range because of projectile travel time and well-executed use of LOS.

Note for example the frequent decision to fight amongst trees or other obstructions. This seemingly innocuous decision gives mobility players a pretty big edge. Watch the other videos in the series for really brilliant uses of the terrain for high-mobility characters.

Travail.7390:

Especially if anyone had bothered to chase the them down when they ran away. Half the reason that video seems so epic is because they allowed the elementalist to escape and heal up, over and over again.

It is all but impossible to stop a D/D elementalist from escaping. They can shrug off almost every CC with ease if they need to.

There is no strategy for Engineers that would allow them to win or even survive an 8v1 except turtle-mode (shield, toolkit shield, active elixir s, passive elixir s), and turtle mode is not sustainable; you’d need a 1-way door nearby like in WvW. Believe me, I’ve tried to find a way. Tankcat has nothing on Water D/D elementalists.

It’s unfortunate.

yeah, I was running water/earth d/d in beta. I could wipe raids in wvw. Just dive in, and cc/burst damage, break up lines while my allies charged in behind me.
Good escape tools. melee aoe heals, cleansing. tied with theives on mobility. yeah.

I’d probably be willing to disagree on the engi can’t do a good 8v1 build. I have not looked into locking one down admittedly, save looking at the tank cat, and thinking its too defensive oriented. Some more killing power equals staying power.

Casia.4281:

I’d probably be willing to disagree on the engi can’t do a good 8v1 build. I have not looked into locking one down admittedly, save looking at the tank cat, and thinking its too defensive oriented. Some more killing power equals staying power.

When the bomb kit gets sigils and the bomb kit range bug is fixed there are some very interesting builds there that are derivative of Tankcat. The only thing you can really do right now is stack confusion after getting 25 bloodlust sigils to buff your condition damage and finish peaking your power or stay at range with GC grenade builds and hope a thief doesn’t notice you.

With sigils there are more options. Sigils of Ice are going to skyrocket in price for bombers, grenadiers and flamethrowers, as they really help the 1v1 viability of such builds.

That said, I’d love to be proven wrong. I have 0 interest in trying to make anything but support engineers until I see evidence that it’s remotely possible to make a worthwhile balanced dps build for engineer. At least in WvW, I cannot find one after many hours of experimenting.

Come on guys! I know Engineer isn’t the “best” profession out there, and that elementalist movie is quite neat! But let’s stop being jelly and discuss what they can do, and keep focus on what we got as engineers! The Elementalist isen’t trying to fulfill the same role as I want either!
That said, I would make a movie with my role in group play aswell, cause I actually do fell very useful! But I’m a waiting the next patch notes to see which situation we are sitting in before that!