Guild Wars 2

I posted this video over on the mesmer forum when someone decided to QQ about confusion mesmers being OP…

Here is a confusion engi (Yours truly) without buffs, who was caught off guard by a buffed guardian, who died before I even got to finish my lineup… =[

Normally, those numbers would have been a great deal higher, but I didn’t want to waste food or tools that day…

you got full condi build, and this guy was lame
what you expect lol

I used it in the mesmer forum because someone said confusion mesmers were OP… I only added it there to show them who does condi better, it isn’t the mesmer xD And I added it here, so that people can see you don’t need HGH to do any killing… I have done some group fights, but I am trying to get more than 2 mins worth of footage before posting. I have however, fought some people who were good… It took ages to kill them…

I vote engi is OP :p

the diference is engineer had to have a setup for what you posted on vid mesmers do it on the run the whole time they stay in combat mesmer can do that from ranged distance where engi had to be melee so good luck trolling saying engi is OP 13 confusion stacks do ridiculous damage as any class.

Mesmers can do it by range but engineers can take hits better and have retaliation…. It takes a mesmer longer to put on as many stacks than an engi also. Please tell me how I’m trolling

The only reason it took so long is because I was caught off guard and expected a fight. Not a scrub. And to more so one up mesmers engi also has several more spammable conditions and plenty of survivability in comparison. A confusion mesmer typically won’t have much in the ways of defense because of what they have to give for their build to work whereas engi has gear sheild, auto elixer b and s, a kd, etc etc etc….

It’s true that engi is more op then mesmer but mesmer is the only counter to engi.

It is very rarely that I lose to a mensmer 1v1. It has happened, just not often. And never to a confusion mesmer. Usually a burst after they turn me in to a chicken. Now multiple mesmers on the other hand can really kitten in my cheerios….

So you confused a guardian, who didn’t pay attention and nuked himself for about 10k and you call the engi op?
Seems legit.

Edit: I use op as a synonyme for ‘needs nerf’, not as a positively connotated adjective.

Sadly that tactic works far more often than it should. But it was more so a response to people saying confusion mesmers are op. Confusion is pretty much all those builds have whilst an engi can still kill in other ways. So what I’m saying is since mesmer is apparently op with a confusion build that seems no where near as effective and far more squishy, engi would have to be op too.

Fair enough.
We can apply more quickly.
But confusion, like reta only works with the cooperation of the enemy, so applied to a player that has no awareness you could call it op.
In my opinion though, our quick application of a maximum stack of confusion under ideal circumstances (each of our moves connect), is nowhere as problematic as 100nades was for example.
Combinations of skills, be it to apply a huge stack of something or a cc-dps combo potentially can be very strong in this game, but in my understanding most classes have access to such moves.

Ya. I’ve fought people who knew not to hit me while under confusion.It was a Ranger who gave me my best 1v1 ever. It lasted 5 mins before he was petless and I finally got the edge and win
Without using confusion.
Although I still don’t think a bit of a nerf to confusion would hurt. Or reta… Oh the times I’ve one shot myself in a zerg lol.

Forestnator.6298:

It’s true that engi is more op then mesmer but mesmer is the only counter to engi.

LOL Engineer OP? one would have to fail beyond failure to be trampled by engineers engineers cn pretty much only confuse from close range except for the pistol skills wich is 3 stacks now lets see mesmers spits confusion with up to 6-9 skills and clones have perma retaliation . who’s the OP one now?

wtf is wrong with you people,

this guy posts a video saying here is some cool kitten us engies can do, and you all kitten all over his cornflakes.

this community is kitten

nakoda.4213:

wtf is wrong with you people,

this guy posts a video saying here is some cool kitten us engies can do, and you all kitten all over his cornflakes.

this community is kitten

you wasnt paying attention it seems

Rezzet. Your dense. They shatter their reta. They also have 0 hard damage and less Armor when using a confusion build. Us being able to go melee is a good thing. We can take a lot more hits. We have far more that we can offer using confusion than mesmers. Have a great day.

I’m not saying mesmer or engi is op from a serious standpoint. I’m saying an engineer can bring more than confusion to the table than a mesmer in terms of bringing more utility and Armor, as well as other forms of damage when your fighting someone who knows what confusion does. A mesmer sacrifices a lot when building for Max confusion but is sol against someone who wipes it or doesn’t attack, while an engineer, not so much.

Alright, so…

Yes, confusion is off limits, on Engi like Mesmer, it either gets ‘fixed’ (like not triggering on abilities strapped on dodging as example) or takes a hit. All it takes for me is a well placed Pry Bar in the middle of a combat when the condition removals are used and the target will blow himself up.

If it was up to abilities only I wouldn’t even mind, but I felt the pain of that condition Thief the last time, choosing between eating my blowtorch or dodge-rolling and take 3k confusion damage due to having caltrops strapped on the dodge.

@Rezzet: sorry it’s a l2p problem. Maybe in 2 months u will understand.

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

I posted this video over on the mesmer forum when someone decided to QQ about confusion mesmers being OP…

Here is a confusion engi (Yours truly) without buffs, who was caught off guard by a buffed guardian, who died before I even got to finish my lineup… =[

Normally, those numbers would have been a great deal higher, but I didn’t want to waste food or tools that day…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-DONoV0U5I

From what I can tell, the guardian just failed. Your conditions stayed on him entirely too long and he spent too long swinging and not hitting you.

Honestly, it’s like you set this up. He was just ultra horrible.

Not a set up. Just a noob. In the un cut version I’m chasing a mesmer to a supply camp and this guy came up behind me. But tbh most 1v1s I’ve had are like this… Maybe it’s because I’m on a t1 server where MOST. NOT ALL people don’t know what to do without their zerg…

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

Not a set up. Just a noob. In the un cut version I’m chasing a mesmer to a supply camp and this guy came up behind me. But tbh most 1v1s I’ve had are like this… Maybe it’s because I’m on a t1 server where MOST. NOT ALL people don’t know what to do without their zerg…

That could be it. Being someone that regularly plays a guardian and an engineer, it looks like the guardian was geared/specced for zerging and group support. Maybe he’s one of the poor souls that thinks solo engineer are easy prey, so he decided that it was worth it to attack you.

Forestnator.6298:

@Rezzet: sorry it’s a l2p problem. Maybe in 2 months u will understand.

what exactly is the l2p problem hm?

My confusion mesmer can reach peaks up to 17-18 stacks of confusion while having powerful invulnerabilities, blinds, invis and several abilities that can be used while CCed.

You are using a glamour build than, i guess? So your opponents need to fail twice to get killed by confusion:

1. Moving in and out of your glamours.
2. Not using cleanses or spamming buttons.

I’m not zerging quite often but the sheer amount of guardians and eles mostly ensures quick cleanses at all time.

Just yesterday i fought a D/P thief from Blacktide who gave me one of the best 1v1s i ever had on my mesmer. Good players won’t kill themselves under confusion unless they are already low on HP and need to do something to not die against other conditions.

Iavra.8510:

You are using a glamour build than, i guess? So your opponents need to fail twice to get killed by confusion:

1. Moving in and out of your glamours.
2. Not using cleanses or spamming buttons.

No. It’s not a glamour build. Glamour builds are for stupid people.

“hey guise if I put down portal entrance and exit and a guy chases me over them like a moron he gets 4 confusion stacks, sooooooo good. Totally worth throwing away illusionary persona for it. I’m also useless when they are on recharge and I don’t have stunbreaks because I’m clueless. guise why do these hammer warriors own me so hard anet plz” – average wvw scrub

Iavra.8510:

You are using a glamour build than, i guess? So your opponents need to fail twice to get killed by confusion:

1. Moving in and out of your glamours.
2. Not using cleanses or spamming buttons.

I’m not zerging quite often but the sheer amount of guardians and eles mostly ensures quick cleanses at all time.

Just yesterday i fought a D/P thief from Blacktide who gave me one of the best 1v1s i ever had on my mesmer. Good players won’t kill themselves under confusion unless they are already low on HP and need to do something to not die against other conditions.

That’s why there are less and less Engineers builds that don’t use HGH*409, it’s become a necessity now that the few viable kit-related things got buried.

Please bind your utilities and your elite to keys. It hurts deep inside when someone uses their mouse to click skills.

Also, I could’ve killed this guy by slamming my face on my keyboard - he was that terrible.

Sorry we aren’t all as hardcore or “1337” like you. Is that the only argument you can come up with? It works for me. I get ample kills no matter the situation. So unless you can say something other than omg skill klicr nub, your wasting your time.

well, to be fair, learning to use keybinds and not clicking with your mouse isn’t so much an L2P advice as it is a QoL advice.

you will do so much more so much faster by clicking your keyboard than physically transversing your screen with your mouse.

watching mouse clickers play is painful.

Whatever. It works for me. If it bugged you that much simply ignore any future post/screen shots/videos.

Sometes friendly advice is just friendly advice, Phelan, even if steeped in internet vitriol, it’s not a personal attack, bub.

Friendly advice from a prefect stranger on a semi competitive game seems out of the norm. In which case of it was indeed sincerely friendly advice I apologize if I came off as a kitten.