Guild Wars 2

Why can’t Elixir H give protection, swiftness, and regen instead of one at random?

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(weakest heal skill by far…)

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i would love that, however what i wouldn’t love is getting hit with corrupt boon.

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(If this were the case, I would actually use it….)

+1 really weakest heal skill by far. Random boons. Bad cooldown. Long casttime. Weak toss.

+1 because I’m an engineer :o

I understand the randomness of Elixir’s but they need some guarantee.

Elixir H: Heal and gain Protection(5s). You also gain either Regeneration(10s), Swiftness(10s), or Vigor(8s)

Toss Elixir H: Heal in the area for 1Kish. Gain Protection, Regeneration, or Vigor

I had an idea for it but I don’t know how others would like it:

elixir H always gives protection and an extra 0-3 random boons depending on number of kits you using. 0 for no kits, 1 for 1, etc.
would make it a proper choice for kit builds while keeping it just as good for elixir builds.

Definitely underwealming.

Actually, I can’t get over the randomness of Elixirs. If you have two skills and one has a guaranteed effect and the other one has a random effect, then the random effect should be stronger to compensate for the randomness. This is not what we get. When you look at engy skills that reproduce what other classes can do, we get the exact same thing as they get. Sometimes even with a larger cooldown.

Maskaganda.2043:

I had an idea for it but I don’t know how others would like it:

elixir H always gives protection and an extra 0-3 random boons depending on number of kits you using. 0 for no kits, 1 for 1, etc.
would make it a proper choice for kit builds while keeping it just as good for elixir builds.

Would this be the way it balances with all the elixir traits? Running traited elixir builds makes H prosper from the traits but not dish out as many boons, while running a kit build without elixir traits gives extra boons?

allways get 5 seconds of protection with elixir h and toss elixir h yes please

Elixir h is still okay imo. 25 seconds untraited and 20 sec traited cd isnt so bad, heals decently and at least gives a boon. But I agree it would be awesome if it always gave one certain boon plus one random other.

As for the worst healing skill that title belongs to AED, horribly long cd, situational and no extra effects.

I think the problem is that it’s not consistent. Two of three buffs help you avoid damage (Protection and Swiftness), one helps you recover from it.

Maybe swap Regeneration with Vigor?

That way you get healing + a boon which helps avoid further damage.

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And I agree with Penguin, it’s actually quite ok, but you need some Elixir traits and/or boon duration to capitalize on it, ofc (this is like having lots of finishers and not using Healing Turret, ofc it’s going to be the best if you can capitalize on it’s specific effect).
AED otoh… and I really want to like it, the idea is amazing. But it needs to be instant to make up for it’s long CD, and have a more defensively useful toolbelt skill.

I would like the skill if it gives you protection every time. With the random stuff, high CD I have to take 2 trait it to make it useful or 3 to get HGH.

I think Elixir H is pretty decent. With traits it can become quite good, especially in an HGH build.

However… why swiftness? This is the worst option for Elixir H to get as a healing skill. Engineers already have permanent swiftness from Speedy Kits, Infused Precision, and Elixir B + Med kit in boon builds. Engineers can also opt for power shoes for a permanent 25% movement increase. To that end, getting swiftness from Elixir H effectively means getting nothing.

Protection isn’t bad, since it takes away 33% of direct damage for 5 seconds, or 6.5 with 30 in Alchemy. Regen isn’t bad, since it is an additional 1300 heal (1690 with 30 in alchemy). That puts Elixir S at a 7k heal on a 20 second recharge when traited, which is respectable. But swiftness… swiftness is useless!

If anything, Elixir H should work exactly like Toss Elixir H, and give you vigor, regen, or protection. Or, more ideally, it should always give one option, and possibly give one of the other two.

Just removing Swiftness from the Random Boon list to normalize the boons a bit would be enough.

Although replacing Swiftness with Vigor would be my belated Christmas wish list.

The Toss is weak as well, either lower the CD a bit or normalize the Boons.

As for the toss, my dream change would be to have toss Elixir H always grant swiftness in addition to another random boon. This would help bring Swiftness to other slower teammates allowing for more group support. While bringing this Toss Elixir H up to par with the very useful Toss Elixir B and Toss Elixir S which are arguably the 2 most useful tosses in the game.

If Invigorating Speed was first minor trait in Alchemy Tree, would see Swiftness agreeable.