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Posted by: jknrich.1549

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Hello my fellow Engi players, I am wondering if Engi still is a good choice part or the raid meta. I am looking to get a lot done on my account, but would like to main my engi again, this means running him in all game modes.

Raids is something I wish to do more of, but if there is a better profession for raids other than Engi i’d love to hear your advice.

Cheers guys

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Posted by: ellesee.8297

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I wanted to try raids and joined a learning group and they said the zerk ascended gear I spent hundreds of gold on over the course of several weeks is worthless to which I asked if I could change the stats to condi since that’s the new PvE meta and they said no don’t bother Engi is worthless except for one boss. They really hurt my feelings. PvE elitists are the biggest bullies. #bullyzoid

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Posted by: Rezzet.3614

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as elitist jerks as they sound i came to that realization while doing WvW
engineer doesnt offer anything to the team , lacks boon strip, thanks to the slick shoe nerf now lack in the breakbar breaking department , lacking in boon giving and lacking in mobility

so basically all engi has going for it is running Vipers for raids
and thats mostly for the vale guardian

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Posted by: Xyonon.3987

Xyonon.3987

Wahoo!


I wanted to try raids and joined a learning group and they said the zerk ascended gear I spent hundreds of gold on over the course of several weeks is worthless to which I asked if I could change the stats to condi since that’s the new PvE meta and they said no don’t bother Engi is worthless except for one boss. They really hurt my feelings. PvE elitists are the biggest bullies. #bullyzoid

It almost feels like we fell back in time for about 2 or 3 years. There are too many “I started to play Engi because of Red Guardian” or “OMG A BREAKBAR, IF WE JUST HAD 64s KNOCKDOWN ENGI!!” kind of people who don’t even know other traits and skills but those on Metabattle. Most of them are just still kitten by the desperately needed Slick Shoes nerf… :/ Almost all people forgot about what Engis can do.

Your zerker gear is perfectly fine for Raids and completly legit for every – single- boss! I’m an elitist myself – a pretty deep one when it comes to Engi – and I would never ever abandon a good Engi player. The main problem here is the “GOOD” tough…


engineer doesnt offer anything to the team , lacks boon strip, thanks to the slick shoe nerf now lack in the breakbar breaking department , lacking in boon giving and lacking in mobility

so basically all engi has going for it is running Vipers for raids
and thats mostly for the vale guardian

Lemme tell you a few things you might not have known Engis can offer your team:

  • Engis have only ~10% less damage than an Ele or Thief and is Nr3 in DpS ranking (Staff Ele vs large hitbox increases the gap by a lot!)
  • Engis are able to offer super speed for VG.
  • Engis are able to offer Protection when required, like breakbar phase at VG.
  • Condi Engis are able to take 2 spirits at Gorse on their own and blind the adds to prevent kicks.
  • Power Engis still have the most cc of all professions in the game (except venomshare thief). Rocket Turret is the new Slick Shoes with huge damage on toolbelt.
  • Engis are able to reflect and blind for Sloth and Trio.
  • Engis are the best suited for taking out mortars or saboteurs while also clearing the respawning snipers in between.
  • Power Engi offers reflect, bulwark, high ranged dps, cc, mobility, emergency heal and gyro, super speed and protection for Matthias without being suiqshy or vulnerable to knockdown or red bombs. HOW DO YOU NOT WANT THAT!?

Btw:

  • Throw Mine and Mine Field both strip boons and have 15 and 17s CD without alacrity. So 1 or 5 boons every ~8s.
  • Blast Gyro deals 332 defiance bar damage on specific targets like saboteurs or mortars. Ram and it’s toolbelt deal 332 dbd aswell good direct damage. Rocket Turret’s knockdown rocket combined with the turret detonation knockback sums up to 450 dbd. It’s toolbelt deals as much damage as big ol’ bomb and has the same cd.
  • Hammer skills or just traiting scrapper for super speed is a lot of mobility.

So much about raids. But now that fotm came back to live too, there is nothing more powerful than a condi engi in T3 or T4 fractals. But that’s a different story now, this is about raids… ;P

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Posted by: ellesee.8297

ellesee.8297

Well it’s too late now. My zerk gear is now marauders for WvW. If zerk wasn’t good enough, I can just imagine the PvE elitists raging at the vitality stats.

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Posted by: Zaviel.1245

Zaviel.1245

Well it’s too late now. My zerk gear is now marauders for WvW. If zerk wasn’t good enough, I can just imagine the PvE elitists raging at the vitality stats.

I’d prefer Marauders over zerk anyway, the damage is basily the same, you get closer to 100% crit, and you get 1shot less.

Dead players do no damage, and Ferocity means nothing if you don’t crit.

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Posted by: basz.6129

basz.6129

Rabid p/p condi scrapper with undead runes. Bring p/p fire focus builds together with gyro and op direct damage resistance. Uninterrupted(less than 5 viable defenders), solo keeps are a thing in about 28 mins. Check it out engis.

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Posted by: Xyonon.3987

Xyonon.3987

…. wat ? o.รด

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Posted by: Ranael.6423

Ranael.6423

Lemme tell you a few things you might not have known Engis can offer your team:

  • Engis have only ~10% less damage than an Ele or Thief and is Nr3 in DpS ranking (Staff Ele vs large hitbox increases the gap by a lot!)
  • Engis are able to offer super speed for VG.
  • Engis are able to offer Protection when required, like breakbar phase at VG.
  • Condi Engis are able to take 2 spirits at Gorse on their own and blind the adds to prevent kicks.
  • Power Engis still have the most cc of all professions in the game (except venomshare thief). Rocket Turret is the new Slick Shoes with huge damage on toolbelt.
  • Engis are able to reflect and blind for Sloth and Trio.
  • Engis are the best suited for taking out mortars or saboteurs while also clearing the respawning snipers in between.
  • Power Engi offers reflect, bulwark, high ranged dps, cc, mobility, emergency heal and gyro, super speed and protection for Matthias without being suiqshy or vulnerable to knockdown or red bombs. HOW DO YOU NOT WANT THAT!?

Btw:

  • Throw Mine and Mine Field both strip boons and have 15 and 17s CD without alacrity. So 1 or 5 boons every ~8s.
  • Blast Gyro deals 332 defiance bar damage on specific targets like saboteurs or mortars. Ram and it’s toolbelt deal 332 dbd aswell good direct damage. Rocket Turret’s knockdown rocket combined with the turret detonation knockback sums up to 450 dbd. It’s toolbelt deals as much damage as big ol’ bomb and has the same cd.
  • Hammer skills or just traiting scrapper for super speed is a lot of mobility.

So much about raids. But now that fotm came back to live too, there is nothing more powerful than a condi engi in T3 or T4 fractals. But that’s a different story now, this is about raids… ;P

Greez!
- Ziggy WAHOO!!!

It seems like we can ask anything to our beloved profession… Can we also organize wedding ?

But in your list, there is one thing that is lacking : we are not ready to be a raid healer. I tried several times to make it work on the paper but apart from those times when your group is packed on a boss (say Gorseval for example) there is no chance to have a good healing presence on several spots, and with that we don’t even buff too much our teammates. I’m sure you already tried to figure that out, have you found a good way of being an engi healer or at least a good buffer?
I know that only Ele can do almost everything and that we should already happy with what we have. Other profession don’t have as many tools (pun!) as we have and are restricted to fewer roles … but who cares about the others :P

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Posted by: Xyonon.3987

Xyonon.3987

I once healed with my engi on sabby, ranged. It works. I made use of the med kit and it’s trait. Your heals are increased while you are on the med kit wich is fun.

It’s not good, but it “works”.

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Posted by: Krag.6210

Krag.6210

I wanted to try raids and joined a learning group and they said the zerk ascended gear I spent hundreds of gold on over the course of several weeks is worthless to which I asked if I could change the stats to condi since that’s the new PvE meta and they said no don’t bother Engi is worthless except for one boss. They really hurt my feelings. PvE elitists are the biggest bullies. #bullyzoid

Power Scrapper is better than Condi Viper on Vale Guardian, Slothasor, Bandit Trio and Matthias, basically anything that moves or cleanses.
Of course that changes depending on your raid composition, you may need condi classes for VG and several necros will benefit a lot from your condis on Sloth/Trio/Sabetha.

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Posted by: ArchonWing.9480

ArchonWing.9480

Hmm, so is condi still standard then? I can make another ascended gear set, but I’d like to be sure before I pick the stats….

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Posted by: Dinosaurs.8674

Dinosaurs.8674

I wanted to try raids and joined a learning group and they said the zerk ascended gear I spent hundreds of gold on over the course of several weeks is worthless to which I asked if I could change the stats to condi since that’s the new PvE meta and they said no don’t bother Engi is worthless except for one boss. They really hurt my feelings. PvE elitists are the biggest bullies. #bullyzoid

Power Scrapper is better than Condi Viper on Vale Guardian, Slothasor, Bandit Trio and Matthias, basically anything that moves or cleanses.
Of course that changes depending on your raid composition, you may need condi classes for VG and several necros will benefit a lot from your condis on Sloth/Trio/Sabetha.

The issue is that power scrapper is not competing with condi engi for spots in a raid group, it is competing with other power classes like elementalist, thief, and guardian. The whole reason to bring condi engi is for the condition damage, either because it is required (red guardian) or for epidemic bounding burns (everything else besides matthias). So saying power scrapper is “better” against certain bosses just because it has higher personal DPS is super misleading.