Guild Wars 2

I’m not really complaining but does any other engineers feel like we have to “abuse” might stacking to have decent damage specs?

For one moment let’s pretend the trait HGH did not exist and might stacking runes did not exist, maybe even grenade kit. Wat do.

I feel like the engineer can’t do any amount of damage without HGH or grenade kit.

Well, if you aren’t doing then you aren’t reaching the class’ full potential.

Dirame.8521:

Well, if you aren’t doing then you aren’t reaching the class’ full potential.

That’s besides the point. What I’m trying to say is I doubt ANET intended for this to be the way engineer has a good build.

Really it seems like for most of the Engineers damage comes from traits or gimmick playstyle.
Static Discharge is using all TB skills in quick succession to accomplish a nuke.
Same with KR Barrage.
And yes there is a reason that every P/P Elixir build requires HGH, otherwise you would hit like a gnat, instead of a gnat with 15 stacks of might.
I would say the Rifle does pretty good damage but it comes at the price of a selfstun and a slow animated jump shot.

The upside to all this is when you defeat other ppl you can really feel good about yourself for outplaying them.

waka.9826:

For one moment let’s pretend the trait HGH did not exist and might stacking runes did not exist, maybe even grenade kit. Wat do.

I feel like the engineer can’t do any amount of damage without HGH or grenade kit.

When I read posts like this and people think the Grenade Kit is all we have, it makes me sad.

Phineas Poe.3018:

waka.9826:

For one moment let’s pretend the trait HGH did not exist and might stacking runes did not exist, maybe even grenade kit. Wat do.

I feel like the engineer can’t do any amount of damage without HGH or grenade kit.

When I read posts like this and people think the Grenade Kit is all we have, it makes me sad.

Don’t assume things, I play a flamethrower tool kit build.

But yes I still rely on might stacking. So your point is still bunk.

waka.9826:

Dirame.8521:

Well, if you aren’t doing then you aren’t reaching the class’ full potential.

That’s besides the point. What I’m trying to say is I doubt ANET intended for this to be the way engineer has a good build.

I’m not sure how you can say this given that Juggernaut and HGH are precisely designed to have us swimming in Might. Unless you’re suggesting that ArenaNet didn’t think these things through when FT Engineers could sustain 25 stacks of Might, which, I guess is possible.

I see it more that Might is what allows a naturally defensive class dish out good DPS, the same way many DPS Guardian builds are designed. Sometimes you have to think outside the box. I don’t see why we should be punished or slighted for this. It’s part of the fun of playing this game.

waka.9826:

Phineas Poe.3018:

waka.9826:

For one moment let’s pretend the trait HGH did not exist and might stacking runes did not exist, maybe even grenade kit. Wat do.

I feel like the engineer can’t do any amount of damage without HGH or grenade kit.

When I read posts like this and people think the Grenade Kit is all we have, it makes me sad.

Don’t assume things, I play a flamethrower tool kit build.

But yes I still rely on might stacking. So your point is still bunk.

Assume what? You said that this class cannot do damage without the Grenade Kit or HGH.

I use neither. And I do just fine.

I see that engies are a class that rely on boons to help them fight, like guardians. Then there are some other classes that do not have as much access to boons but have natural strength like thieves and warriors. I assume the trade off is that without boons, engies and guards are weaker than other classes but with boons, they are surpassed.

Engineer weapons are weaker because we can use kits.
Kits are weaker because they have a 1 sec CD.
Overall our skills are generally weaker because they were orginally intended for a Heavy Armor class.
So to make up for this weakness we either have to stack might or play the keyboard piano to make sure we are constantly using all the skills we have gained by having kits on a 1 sec CD.

We are not naturally defensive because all of our defense comes from active skills and most those active skills also interupt or don’t allow weapon use for their duration so to defend we lose DPS. If anything we are natural avoiders since we have many options to nullify bursts.

However playing any build without kits will leave you at a disadvantage damagewise because of the aformentioned dmg taxes. So stacking might is required to be able to play at relatively the same level as other classes.

The OP is half right that when compared to alot of other classes, especially Thief being a fellow medium armor, that stacking might and/or using 30pt Grenades is one of the few ways to deal reliable mid-high dmg.

There are many ppl who can claim exception but I bet it will come down to gamer skill rather than actual profession options. Maska is the best example of this, you can copy his build to the letter but most ppl wont be as successful as him because he is a very good gamer not just a good Engineer.

Am I the only one actually playing with a P/P build that doesn’t include HGH? And scrapping the HGH*409 pigeonhole for let’s say.. a pair of Slick Shoes or a Flamethrower? Eventually a Med Kit too, out of reliability? I’ve never had to complain about the damage of a full Carrion/Rabid P/P build that didn’t use Might stacking.

MrForz.1953:

Am I the only one actually playing with a P/P build that doesn’t include HGH? And scrapping the HGH*409 pigeonhole for let’s say.. a pair of Slick Shoes or a Flamethrower? Eventually a Med Kit too, out of reliability? I’ve never had to complain about the damage of a full Carrion/Rabid P/P build that didn’t use Might stacking.

Currently I’m not running HGH on my P/P 100% condition duration build, but that’s because Giver’s Weapons are not yet fixed. I basically can out “total” damage any HGH builds atm through the extra duration and without having to play the piano.

However, once they fix Giver’s weapons the new Meta will probably be 20/20/00/30/00 for 100% condition duration + HGH for P/P.

waka.9826:

I’m not really complaining but does any other engineers feel like we have to “abuse” might stacking to have decent damage specs?

For one moment let’s pretend the trait HGH did not exist and might stacking runes did not exist, maybe even grenade kit. Wat do.

I feel like the engineer can’t do any amount of damage without HGH or grenade kit.

You know I never thought about it like that, but yeh you are right. It’s not required to be full throttle might stacking(every gear item, sigil, and trait that does it), but it is fair to say that if you are doing some degree of might stacking as an engineer then you aren’t being very effective in the damage department.

waka.9826:

Phineas Poe.3018:

waka.9826:

For one moment let’s pretend the trait HGH did not exist and might stacking runes did not exist, maybe even grenade kit. Wat do.

I feel like the engineer can’t do any amount of damage without HGH or grenade kit.

When I read posts like this and people think the Grenade Kit is all we have, it makes me sad.

Don’t assume things, I play a flamethrower tool kit build.

But yes I still rely on might stacking. So your point is still bunk.

I tried forever to think of a way to make flamethrower and toolkit work in a way that felt good to me for WvW but I couldn’t do it. I find that I am too reliant on elixir s. Congrats on coming up with a way to do it for you.

HGH nades is probably our “best” build but there are other ways to stack might. Let’s face it, without any might we don’t hit very hard, and most of our skills are power/condi hybrids, so might is more important for us than for most other professions.

We also have great fury access. Maybe the best in the game? I think we were designed to need those boons to be useful. Kind of unfortunate because when other professions get them, their damage spikes—but we need them just to sustain damage.

aside from 100 nades, most engie builds tend to be shy on power, so just about all of them benefit from might stacking in one way or another to allow us to gear for the more beneficial stat for respective builds.

NevirSayDie.6235:

HGH nades is probably our “best” build but there are other ways to stack might. Let’s face it, without any might we don’t hit very hard, and most of our skills are power/condi hybrids, so might is more important for us than for most other professions.

We also have great fury access. Maybe the best in the game? I think we were designed to need those boons to be useful. Kind of unfortunate because when other professions get them, their damage spikes—but we need them just to sustain damage.

Sadly I don’t think it was designed that way. The only way to get reliable, lengthy might stacks is to either take 4-6 rune slots, a battle sigil, HGH and elixir B or 4-6 rune slots, a battle sigil, HGH and enhanced performance. That’s pretty kitten specific, and one of the main reasons why it works is because of how on-swap sigils work with kits.

There are other builds without might stacking, in TPvP at least. But the ones I’ve run are far squishier and do a bit less condi damage but get more bleeds and whatnot out of it.

But yea, it does kind of suck to be pigeonholed into a tree/build because of how superior it is to the rest of our stuff. Looking through the utilities I count 6 different utilities used by ALL of the TPvP viable builds for damage engis.

But it’s hard to complain I guess. I can’t think of anothre class with a larger variety of builds and styles than engi, power/bunker/condis, all have different specs and uses and playstyles. And HGH condi nade engis are BLATANTLY overpowered, ridiculously so, when played at the skill cap. Maybe it’s because I have almost 4k games on an engi, most of which are with nades, but it’s just kind of ridiculous. Although aiming nades can be rough, if you can do it right you’re gonna destroy things. Having an off day means you’re gonna get wrecked.

Ostricheggs.3742:

But yea, it does kind of suck to be pigeonholed into a tree/build because of how superior it is to the rest of our stuff. Looking through the utilities I count 6 different utilities used by ALL of the TPvP viable builds for damage engis.

But it’s hard to complain I guess. I can’t think of anothre class with a larger variety of builds and styles than engi, power/bunker/condis, all have different specs and uses and playstyles. And HGH condi nade engis are BLATANTLY overpowered, ridiculously so, when played at the skill cap. Maybe it’s because I have almost 4k games on an engi, most of which are with nades, but it’s just kind of ridiculous. Although aiming nades can be rough, if you can do it right you’re gonna destroy things. Having an off day means you’re gonna get wrecked.

I’m not disagreeing. Sooner or later I’m just going to give in and roll HGH nades because it’s better.

I do think there are other ways to stack might besides HGH. If HGH were removed, we might still need to use those 6 runes and sigil of battle, but we would possibly take might on heal, a shield, and bomb kit to make up for the loss of elixir B and HGH. It would still work, it would just be a little harder and a little less effective.

I meant that might/boon stacking was “intended” because there are so many ways to do it. Granted, they’re not all effective—try taking juggernaut to a tournament—but they’re all there in our traits. Right now, there’s one best way to do it, but I think in general we were meant to ramp up offense with boons.

Grenades and HGH are pretty good for AoE conditioning and are the easiest way to perform might-stacking on the Engi but there are other builds with just as much might-stacking and even better 1v1 survivability.

I’ve fought many HGH grenade Engies with the build I describe above and I’ve either beaten them or they drop their Elite on me and when someone pops an Elite on you, you know they are feeling the pressure.