Guild Wars 2

this class feels pretty lackluster lately i try play it but then i ask myself why what can i do as engineer better than others and the answers arent much nor worthwhile

turrets are pathetic decent survivavility after patch but less than mediocre dps specially when you consider their cooldowns

gadgets suffer from the same lengthy cooldowns for extremely short lasting and/or weak effects

its too easy to destroy trait builds since usually the most needed traits are all master or grandmaster or are split
for example why not merge auto tool and metal plating into single trait that way players could go n an actual full turret build with elite supplies boosting mortar or supply crate without having to sacrifice overall turret performance

the new shoe trait its Great however having speedy kits giving 8% more movement speed and being adept you wont want this trait as its Master Mayor slotted unless you’re running bunker-ish builds

Mines why cant we have a mine kit again just make it inverted to the first mine kit that existed = 5 mines stripping 1-2 boons and dealing moderate to high damage and the Toolbelt mine then stripping 3 boons and causing knockback

pistol and elixir gun- bleeds they need longer duration at least a trait for elixir gun giving elixir gun skills conditions 30% duration thus making weakness and its bleed actually useful as it stands the only reliable condition eg has its cripple fumigate should affect the caster as well as a condition remover or super elixir should remove a condition per pulse

i ve tried warrior mesmer thief necro recently and its just so much rewarding and less punishing basically the only reason im still on my engi is my love for the class since i been one since i pretty much got the game

I’ll be honest, I skimmed the post but I think I got the point. And no… Just no, engi is one of the strongest classes pvp right now and they are just fine in pve. Sure the CoF war, guard, mes combo still reigns on high but realistic engi does very well in dungeons.

tattoohead.3217:

I’ll be honest, I skimmed the post but I think I got the point. And no… Just no, engi is one of the strongest classes pvp right now and they are just fine in pve. Sure the CoF war, guard, mes combo still reigns on high but realistic engi does very well in dungeons.

suppose i should ve specified more yeah in pvp as engi all it takes is to go bunker engi and faceroll with bombs

or counter bunkers with hgh

but outside of pvp engineer is extremely underwhelming just because a class is good in pvp does not mean it should suck in pve or wvw

tattoohead.3217:

I’ll be honest, I skimmed the post but I think I got the point. And no… Just no, engi is one of the strongest classes pvp right now and they are just fine in pve. Sure the CoF war, guard, mes combo still reigns on high but realistic engi does very well in dungeons.

I even bet that a engi in a team increases the dps if you pick a warrior away. Pretty sure tough.

tattoohead.3217:

I’ll be honest, I skimmed the post but I think I got the point. And no… Just no, engi is one of the strongest classes pvp right now and they are just fine in pve. Sure the CoF war, guard, mes combo still reigns on high but realistic engi does very well in dungeons.

if you play tPvP and you are on a point. I guess you never scream in your voice tool: I need help badly because an Engi is coming to my point and I will die.

There is a thread like “worst enemy for engis”. I guess no other profession has an engineer in this worst enemy list.

Simply because the engi is at the moment not the strongest class. We are able to decap points, to be medium good bunker or to do good AOE damage to support team fights. But our damage is nerfed badly and we need some defensive abilities because of the meta so the damage of an engineer is not that high.

Engi is simply not one of the strongest classes in PvP right now. We are not as bad as ele is. But we see the bottom of the list.

Lupanic.6502:

Engi is simply not one of the strongest classes in PvP right now. We are not as bad as ele is. But we see the bottom of the list.

Yes we are.

Lupanic.6502:

tattoohead.3217:

I’ll be honest, I skimmed the post but I think I got the point. And no… Just no, engi is one of the strongest classes pvp right now and they are just fine in pve. Sure the CoF war, guard, mes combo still reigns on high but realistic engi does very well in dungeons.

if you play tPvP and you are on a point. I guess you never scream in your voice tool: I need help badly because an Engi is coming to my point and I will die.

There is a thread like “worst enemy for engis”. I guess no other profession has an engineer in this worst enemy list.

Simply because the engi is at the moment not the strongest class. We are able to decap points, to be medium good bunker or to do good AOE damage to support team fights. But our damage is nerfed badly and we need some defensive abilities because of the meta so the damage of an engineer is not that high.

Engi is simply not one of the strongest classes in PvP right now. We are not as bad as ele is. But we see the bottom of the list.

I play my engi in tPvP all the time and you better beleave people scream in the mic when I roll up. Engi is the top dueling class in the game, you have something for everyone I don’t sweat warriors or necros or thfs… The only class that give me pause is Guardian and I’m ok with that.

No offence but it’s been my experience that people who QQ on forums kinda just need to l2p. Seriously engi has the second highest skill cap of any class in the game (ele is slightly higher) so scrubs assume they just suck because most of the people representing the class can’t play it. Trust me if you face off with a great engi you know it and you avoid them like a plague.

Also in tPvP ele is in a similar boat, they need a fix more so that anyone I know but overall the ads is just hard to play. There are not a whole lot of them left but good eels will steamroll you.

Anyone can play hambow or s/d thf and do ok doesn’t mean it’s a strong class.

Do not get me wrong. I do not think we (engineers) are really in trouble. I play also every day Engineer but not on a high skill level (I was top 400 but lost several games and now I am out of the list. Played ~400 games in soloQ and ~200 in teamQ).

I play the Five Gauge build and I am fine even with hambows or thiefs. I am only in trouble with necros. But for me a 1on1 is always a close fight. Its not that I rule the world if I face someone in 1on1.

Maybe it is because English is not my first language. I do not think that the Engineer is soo bad and QQ all day. I think we are ok. I only say that we are not the strongest class in my point of view. I think warrior, spirit ranger, guardian and necro are in a better situation. I guess we are with thiefs on one level at the moment. You are happy to have 1 thief in your team. But if you have 2 or 3 you are in trouble. Same for engi.

Rezzet.3614:

tattoohead.3217:

I’ll be honest, I skimmed the post but I think I got the point. And no… Just no, engi is one of the strongest classes pvp right now and they are just fine in pve. Sure the CoF war, guard, mes combo still reigns on high but realistic engi does very well in dungeons.

suppose i should ve specified more yeah in pvp as engi all it takes is to go bunker engi and faceroll with bombs

or counter bunkers with hgh

but outside of pvp engineer is extremely underwhelming just because a class is good in pvp does not mean it should suck in pve or wvw

That’s been my point all along. Not only did they place things in weird places (like where they put the bonuses from talents) but they also made a series of early nerfs to the class long before kit refinement was completely destroyed that this class has yet to recover from. I’ve been watching the patch notes, at NO time has any of these balance guys gone back to the early days before they separated the patch actions between PVE/PVP and corrected what they did back then which was to nerf condi damage across the board in PVE and lower the damage output of the kits on engineers, they said they upped it a bit but it’s still nowhere near where it should be to be on par with the damage output of warriors but we’re supposed to believe that it’s equal footing in combat according to the front page.

Guys this has been going on for over a year now it’s time for them to fixit it really is getting old. 5 years down the line people will still be talking about this and they still won’t have fixed the problems with this class.

tigirius.9014:

Rezzet.3614:

tattoohead.3217:

I’ll be honest, I skimmed the post but I think I got the point. And no… Just no, engi is one of the strongest classes pvp right now and they are just fine in pve. Sure the CoF war, guard, mes combo still reigns on high but realistic engi does very well in dungeons.

suppose i should ve specified more yeah in pvp as engi all it takes is to go bunker engi and faceroll with bombs

or counter bunkers with hgh

but outside of pvp engineer is extremely underwhelming just because a class is good in pvp does not mean it should suck in pve or wvw

That’s been my point all along. Not only did they place things in weird places (like where they put the bonuses from talents) but they also made a series of early nerfs to the class long before kit refinement was completely destroyed that this class has yet to recover from. I’ve been watching the patch notes, at NO time has any of these balance guys gone back to the early days before they separated the patch actions between PVE/PVP and corrected what they did back then which was to nerf condi damage across the board in PVE and lower the damage output of the kits on engineers, they said they upped it a bit but it’s still nowhere near where it should be to be on par with the damage output of warriors but we’re supposed to believe that it’s equal footing in combat according to the front page.

Guys this has been going on for over a year now it’s time for them to fixit it really is getting old. 5 years down the line people will still be talking about this and they still won’t have fixed the problems with this class.

Is this a serious post? If there’s any class that needs to be nerfhammered in PvE it’s probably the engineer. And maybe also the elementalist. And if there’s any class that needs a serious PvE buff it’s the necro, then the warrior.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

tigirius.9014:

Rezzet.3614:

tattoohead.3217:

I’ll be honest, I skimmed the post but I think I got the point. And no… Just no, engi is one of the strongest classes pvp right now and they are just fine in pve. Sure the CoF war, guard, mes combo still reigns on high but realistic engi does very well in dungeons.

suppose i should ve specified more yeah in pvp as engi all it takes is to go bunker engi and faceroll with bombs

or counter bunkers with hgh

but outside of pvp engineer is extremely underwhelming just because a class is good in pvp does not mean it should suck in pve or wvw

That’s been my point all along. Not only did they place things in weird places (like where they put the bonuses from talents) but they also made a series of early nerfs to the class long before kit refinement was completely destroyed that this class has yet to recover from. I’ve been watching the patch notes, at NO time has any of these balance guys gone back to the early days before they separated the patch actions between PVE/PVP and corrected what they did back then which was to nerf condi damage across the board in PVE and lower the damage output of the kits on engineers, they said they upped it a bit but it’s still nowhere near where it should be to be on par with the damage output of warriors but we’re supposed to believe that it’s equal footing in combat according to the front page.

Guys this has been going on for over a year now it’s time for them to fixit it really is getting old. 5 years down the line people will still be talking about this and they still won’t have fixed the problems with this class.

Is this a serious post? If there’s any class that needs to be nerfhammered in PvE it’s probably the engineer. And maybe also the elementalist. And if there’s any class that needs a serious PvE buff it’s the necro, then the warrior.

Makes me wonder what browser you’re using, as all your wild int3rw3bz button clicking has somehow landed you on the forum to a completely different game then you’re obvious playing. Most warriors I see can take on crowds of enemies in PvP, while necromancers hiding behind stanky meat-wads to avoid damage. As an engineer, even with good crowd control really have to ‘dance’ to survive the same situation the warrior’s in but just standing taking most of the damage wildly spinning or swinging, really gouging those life bars. As engineer, I can out perfrorm them, but with a bit more obvious strain.

Warriors’ cool downs are absurd, but watching them stand there in the middle of a crowd not avoiding damage much is rather comical to watch, if of course… you’re not eating the terrain trying to survive the same situation actually having to do the unthinkable. You know, play the game. :P

The advantage I have on a warrior in PvE without even needing to try is liberating when I’m taking a break plying an engineer, despite the fact that I actually yes do a lot more with an engineer… But that comes from 2 years of straight practice. Next thing you’ll be saying is to nerf Engineer’s grenades because of their ‘damage’ when the caveat is having to aim with them manually, while warrior’s damage is based on hitting a button, or thief going “toaster-cat-toaster-ca-cat-cat-cat”. :P

Seriously. Engineer’s an acrobat’s class. Just because you get killed by them because they’re practiced, or watch them out perform you in PvE because of the same reason, isn’t cause for trolling. Anyhoo, I’m out. one up me, get the last word in, whatever… Just gets old when complainers and trolls strive to make things more difficult for skill gamers to have a little fun sometimes over the BIS-BS monsters (not in game ‘skills’, but player’s manual-dexterity-Super Mario Bros-Sonic the Hedgehog-Halo, action game play “SKILL”), so I figured I’d get in my own opinion in there. Kinda make sure it’s out in the world despite trolls set my post aflame. Have a good one Chip…

Also to OP: Engineer’s not thieves. They’re not warriors, mesmers… They’re Engineers. They’re SUPPOSED to be hard to master. They always have been, and always will be. The ‘love’ for the engineer comes from the player behind the mouse. Outside of some nameless trick-cheese builds, we’re survivors in a world of giants. Get used to it. It’s part of the fun…

been engi since day one and it just feels pointless when i can fareroll the game as any other class
made a mesmer and guess how i kill people by staying away and spamming number 4 skill being berserker and duelist then finishing them off with the sword flurry

made a thief
was like playing a collect all the badges you can game hit F1 then 1 then #2 and collect loot

made a warrior
stun with shield/knock with mace and slap enemy dead with axe proceed to swap to gs and hit number 3 fast for insta whirl just in case target lived

im mainly a wvwer
in pvp i use my engi and its not really the piece of cake people claim because i dont try bunker like everyone i aim to make as most points as possible.

@ Ryu

I don’t quite understand why “engineers are harder to play than warriors” justifies buffing the stronger class and nerfing the weaker one. Just because you personally can’t handle engineers doesn’t mean they need a buff. Especially when lots of people play engineers just fine. This isn’t a case of a class requiring near impossible execution like El Fuerte’s RSF infinite.

Rezzet.3614:

im mainly a wvwer
in pvp i use my engi and its not really the piece of cake people claim because i dont try bunker like everyone i aim to make as most points as possible.

Learn to play. That’s about it.

Engineers are irritating up close (concussion bomb anyone?) and a nightmare at range (1500 range on grenades > everyone). If you’re facetanking people in WvWvW then you’re doing it wrong because EVERY class will suck against a group.

IMO Engineers and Condition Necromancers are nightmarish in WvWvW. Sure, you can face organized groups who can cure conditions but between the Engineers range and the fact Necros can literally spread every condition in the game to every player within a fairly large range with one button and you have a little bit of terror.

Lupanic.6502:

if you play tPvP and you are on a point. I guess you never scream in your voice tool: I need help badly because an Engi is coming to my point and I will die.

There is a thread like “worst enemy for engis”. I guess no other profession has an engineer in this worst enemy list.

Simply because the engi is at the moment not the strongest class. We are able to decap points, to be medium good bunker or to do good AOE damage to support team fights. But our damage is nerfed badly and we need some defensive abilities because of the meta so the damage of an engineer is not that high.

Engi is simply not one of the strongest classes in PvP right now. We are not as bad as ele is. But we see the bottom of the list.

false false false false false false. engi is one of the strongest classes in pvp atm. we put out lots of condi damage. maybe not the huge condi burst that necros put out, but necros are limited by their cooldowns whereas we can apply continuous pressure. our damage isn’t “nerfed badly”

we have one of the best defensive traits in the game in protection injection and we also have pretty good sustain so no we don’t need more defensive abilities. we can basically win any 1v1 except to condi necros, but that’s because they have insane condition output and we have limited condition removal.

so no we can’t see the bottom of the list. but the top… that’s in plain sight.

It’s only certain parts of the Engineer that needs love. Some traits and abilities are over flowing with love, even bloated with it. But others are famished of love, like our Turrets and many gadgets. Turrets need loving too.. They don’t have arms to give you hugs or they would, isn’t it about time we (Anet) gave them a hug?