Engineer vs Ranger

Engineer vs Ranger

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Posted by: Lupanic.6502

Lupanic.6502

Hello Community,

we have a good thread Ingi vs Mesma and I create now a thread for Engineer vs Ranger, because I need some help.

I play this build:
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-VRR;2Z;0h0m5cQFx0;9;4T9-T-49A0;319A;1VZ0;3KJG4KJG47Zb

It is condition based build with HGH and a good amount of direct damage. It works well because many people do not remove conditions and the direct damage is also fine.

I also tried this build (Might HGH)

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-VRR;2Z;0h0m5cQFx0;9;4T9-T-49A0;319A;1SZ0;3H7l1AoF25BU

Both builds are fine and are posted many times on this forum.

Unfortunately I get outdamaged by a Ranger and I am not able to use my advantages. I start the fight and mostly I am already under fire. It takes to long to get in short range to make damage with grenades or blowtorch, because he is moving and set his trap from time to time.

I use static shot at the beginning of the fight and try to get 15+ stacks of might.

Someone an advice for me?

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Posted by: Orion the Cursed.1206

Orion the Cursed.1206

The rangers greatest weapon is its mobility. Grenades wont get the job done. You will have more success with the Toolkit but that’s a different build.

I don’t understand how you get out-damaged by rangers. You should win in a DPS war.

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Posted by: Amadeus.5687

Amadeus.5687

Which kind of ranger are we talking about? it appear to be a trap ranger (the only kind of Ranger I feel giving me torubele 1vs1), but just to be sure?

If that’s the case, your in for a bad time running a HGH build, cause you lack lockdowns on them, I only started to get a uppper hand vs the ones I duel after dropping elixir S for Net Turret to lock them down!
The thing I found out about them, is they dodge/Evade a tons of attack, but if you first get to land hits on them, they begin to drop really fast. But the combo of Traps and that mobility make’s it a pain to hit them.

My best bid, using the build you do, is to try lure some of the dodges/evades out of him with nades, and then go in for hitting with stastic shot and blow torch, and time your Supply Cart on him after he wasted some dodges (it’s a really short timeframe where you can hit them)! Don’t open with your best shots, becuase they tend to be a bit trigger happy on their evade and dodge skills cause they hav so many :P

But all in all, Traps Rangers are freaking hard to take on 1vs1, mostly cause they avoid so much damage, so it’s a matter about timing and using pressure when you can, and heal/drink up when you can’t hit them (When they swap to Sword from Short bow it’s time to kite nadrink elixirs, they got more evade and dodge there)

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Posted by: Lupanic.6502

Lupanic.6502

Thank you.

@Orion the pet+Ranger makes on range more damage then I do with pistol + ~10-18stacks of might. I am out of range for grenades (they are much to slow to hit im on ~1000range) and are waste of time until I am in short range.

I make 400-500 without crit with the pistol. I start the fight with mostly ~8 stacks of might and during the fight I go up to ~18. Surely sometimes I hit with the second build the 25Stacks but not always.
The pistol is ok, but to win a damage war I need the grenades

@Amadeus. The most ranger I see in sPvP have a dog or a jaguar or something like this. Some are able to knock me down. But all are able to hit me for 400-800. Most of the ranger have the spike trap and are using Bows (shortbow in many cases, longbow from time to time)
My problem is to go into short range to set the blowtorch.

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Posted by: Amadeus.5687

Amadeus.5687

It sounds like a trap ranger yeah, and they truely a pain to get up close with (Annoying pets aswell), in sPvP I would use the arena to get close on them, try attack from different palces (higher ground ect), to start the fight out with the upper hand! I know that’s easier said then done in some places, but some of the points can be attacked where they won’t be able to gain distance before you hit them!

A good Glue Shot or Supply Cart can make the differnce (and so can a succesfull Freeze Grenade), because that can grant you the opener you need! But with the HGH nade build your in for a uphill fight for sure vs one them, they a pain for our medium range tactic’s! But if you can land just a few conditons many of them will be in trouble!

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Posted by: Lupanic.6502

Lupanic.6502

If I am in close range in sPvP, they are really easy. With the first build if I am able to land the bleeding from grenade #2, the sigil of geomancy and blowtorch they are dead. I can sit down and enjoy the bleeding/burning show. Some can’t handle the conditions.

But thank you, I will try to set the supply cart after dodges and then go into short fight.