Guild Wars 2

I want you guys back in raids, it’s been too long!
Too bad there isn’t an engineer-build considered meta by the majoriteit of people for raids at this time. Ofc there are possibilities, I’m just hoping u guys get a meta spot again soon, missing you.

Hoping for the best,

a druid

RIP slick shoes. The real reason we brought you along.

Engineers can still be used for raids. If u already have a condi Reaper in the squad, then look for a condi engi. Condi Engi’s are only below condi Reapers because of Epidemic.

Heya!

Engi is great for raids, no doubt, but requires some extra work to be worth the pick. Pugs normally don’t really like them because of the average player will not be doing this additional work.

Or simply because they think Engi is bad. :P

Every Monday and Thursday I do full clears with my guild and I’ve been playing Engi plenty of times on every single encounter. I’ve made very good expiriences so far and found specific reason to be at each one of these fights. This said, our guild wants an elite standard and we do not want to use “useless dps loss professions” anywhere.

Everywhere add the general Engi abilities like:

• dps
• cc
• water fields + blasts
• condi cleanse

but being more specific:

Vale Guardian (Condi Scrapper / Power Engi / Power Scrapper)

• condi dmg for Red Guardian
• power dmg for low armor Vale Guardian (perma melee engi / green fields scrapper)
• Seeker control
• aoe swiftness & superspeed and greenfields (less travel time = more dps)
• protection & Engi sustain to tank Red Guardian
• emergency Function Gyro (not a real reason for speedclear, but definitly for pugs)

Gorseval (Condi Engineer)
We split the whole team in 2 groups for the adds, NW and NE, then they each move to SW and SE. This way we safe time by only having to move once and have more dps time than travel time. Meanwhile I keep both south spirits in place with Shrapnel and glue … lot’s of glue >:3

• holding two spirits
• blinding adds to prevent kicks

Sabetha (Power Engineer)
A stationary easy target like Sabby with adds (thanks to the adds, you are able to proc Takedown Round[/url] all the time) grants us to deal high dps, even more than DW Ele, slightly less than a Thief, but also …

• highest small hitbox burst with short cd + jump shot for mobility makes us top tier for doing cannons
• blinding Thugs (during flamewall or for the connon guys to prevent deadly kicks)
• ranged for last phase (if double Druid in melee is required)

Slothasor (Power Engineer)
The Engi should do a Shroom since he’s not as high dps as an Ele, but still not bad at all, not least thanks to the frostbows.

• wide 5 target cleave
• blinding unblockable Slublings
• Elixier Gun as emergency anti-fear with free stunbreak

Trio (Power Engi)
Bosses have small hitboxes, so our dps is higher than the Ele’s against them, especially thanks to all those adds permanently proccing Takedown Round. Thief would be just as good but lacks …

• wide 5 target cleave
• blind – srsly, that’s amazing here
• ranged high cc for Saboteurs
• 1500 range to pull mobs from cage to Zane
• best mortars-care EVER!

Matthias (Power Scrapper)
During the bubble phase spam all your mortar and bomb fields since you won’t be dealing any damage anyway, but after the bubble pops you will have increased damage thanks to Modified Ammunation. In general, thanks to the Necros and the enviorment, this trait will rock here.

• Bulwark Gyro & protection & emergency water fields + blasts -> scholar bonus
• backup reflect
• aoe swiftness & superspeed (less travel time = more dps and less deaths)
• emergency Function Gyro
• ego block & stability

Escort (Condi Engi / Power Scrapper)

• as condi, no Warg will ever reach the first building … ever! >:3
  after 2-3 Wargs help the team
• as power, go up with a 2nd of your kind and push the add out and then pop Sneak Gyro and chill, repeat
• blind

Keep Construct (Power Engi)

• great burst damage (after ego burst there’s also the Frost Bow ;D)
• Magnet Pull and Overcharged Shot + Chrono Pull will move the Orb directly from 3 to 4 and to 5. Saves more time than more dps form another Ele would.
• block for jump
• sustain for orb catch phase
• mobility for split

Xera (Power Engi)
Instead of low dps Necros or staff Eles (still keep 2), pick dps professions like Engi or Thief. An Engi can blind the adds before or after they got pulled to render them completly useless, even inside of shards. There won’t be any condi cleanse required but for Xera’s blurred frenzy for the tank, and even for that the healing turret is good if he messes up to evade / block.

• wide 5 target cleave with great burst, also for clearing shards
• knockback for orbs into rifts
• emergency burst multiple shards with wide aoe and bomb aa

Maybe I forgot some stuff but in general, there are plenty of things you can do for every single encounter. You just have to do those things and you’ll be a solid pick for your team.

Just makes sure you really know your rotation, so you won’t mess up and have noticable less dps than the alternatives. Most important for your dps: Never interrupt your bomb auto hit!

We don’t have an easy life, but I doubt any of us Engineers ever picked this profession to have an easy life to begin with, aye? ;3

Greez!
- Ziggy

How much damage is Takedown Round even?
It seems to do more than bomb 1 but how much dps is it really, how often does it proc in your calculations?

Thanks xyonon for posting this, and others as well. I also think engineers can fill a spot, in rare occasions I see it happening in one of my guilds and all seems ok. It’s just that other professions seem to be more favorite and engineers seem to be in last place for now, definitely in puggroups. Hoping to see more of you engineers in raids in the (near) future.

Bast Bow.2958:

Thanks xyonon for posting this, and others as well. I also think engineers can fill a spot, in rare occasions I see it happening in one of my guilds and all seems ok. It’s just that other professions seem to be more favorite and engineers seem to be in last place for now, definitely in puggroups. Hoping to see more of you engineers in raids in the (near) future.

Yes, thanks heaps and I too want to see more Engi’s get the nod. I have been able to do VG and Escort but not without a fight for my class!

“Just makes sure you really know your rotation, so you won’t mess up and have noticable less dps than the alternatives. Most important for your dps: Never interrupt your bomb auto hit!”

Do we really have a rotation? Was always told its whats off CD but somehow never feels right.

Krag.6210:

How much damage is Takedown Round even?
It seems to do more than bomb 1 but how much dps is it really, how often does it proc in your calculations?

Takedown Round is I’d say approximately 1300 dps for the first 50% and 0 dps for the last 50%. So you gain ~600 dps for fighting adds for free wich is around 2% more damage.

1300 dps is just an estimate – after the 20th patch or maybe even after the next big balance path I will anyway update the skill priority lists, where I can give you the exact number then. From my expirience it crits between 12 and 15k and I would say it procs every 11.5s (10s + randomness due to 50% chance on hit).

Bast Bow.2958:

Thanks xyonon for posting this, and others as well. I also think engineers can fill a spot, in rare occasions I see it happening in one of my guilds and all seems ok. It’s just that other professions seem to be more favorite and engineers seem to be in last place for now, definitely in puggroups. Hoping to see more of you engineers in raids in the (near) future.

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Joxer.6024:

Bast Bow.2958:

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Yes, thanks heaps and I too want to see more Engi’s get the nod. I have been able to do VG and Escort but not without a fight for my class!

It’s funny that DW Eles are still completly legit in pug groups, even though we deal more damage than them now. But hey many of them also prefer Eles over Thieves so I really don’t know what’s up with pugs sometimes xD

Or the preference of a Necro for the Wargs instead of an Engi. I mean you can royally mess up as Engi and still outdamage Necros easily. Necros scratch the 20k without their Elite while we are 40% higher, and even with the Lich minions, it takes ages to get on the Engis level and the same time again to actually start outdamaging us over the whole fight.

I’d understand it if they were for the normal adds (epidemic) but for the Wargs? People just don’t think and only mimic what they see – makes me sad.

I’m not sure if pugs know that a random Engi may fail it’s rotation more likely than an Ele, or if they actually think we are bad. I think it’s both of those cases. At least my legit stack of LI let’s me semi take over the lead and stay on Engi all the time :’D hurr durr.

Joxer.6024:

“Just makes sure you really know your rotation, so you won’t mess up and have noticable less dps than the alternatives. Most important for your dps: Never interrupt your bomb auto hit!”

Do we really have a rotation? Was always told its whats off CD but somehow never feels right.

DANG YOU GOT ME GUD SON! :< My exact words were always “we have no rotation, we have a priority list” Grrrr… must edit that!

Still, there are some connected skills to achieve greater dps. You cannot swap to a kit for only one skill most of the time, unless you time it really good it’s a dps loss due to the 1s icd kit swap has.

One note on Necro is it’s not just Epidemic but condition manipulation (pulls/sends) that makes them nice, this is of course especially on wing2.

Agree on everything said.

In the end I just can’t disagree with PUGs not wanting Engi’s because of the track record I’ve seen with it. The only time I’ve had what I would consider a worthwhile Engi is when they’re from raiding guilds, and I’ve still seen far more that don’t really help than do.

As far as Takedown Round, wouldn’t it be fair to just do a DPS test, look at the 50% DPS compared to the death DPS and double the difference (as it averages, so the final number has half the actual takedown round DPS factored in already). Not super accurate but a good guesstimate.