(edited by ManCaptain.3154)
@ Mancaptain:
Going hybrid on all kits is easier with Might stacking. If they’re all 50/50, why not Might? You get all the benefits on all kits.@DDog:
FT’s a better power kit now, with the changes to napalm. I respecced the other day to see if FT/EG is usable after the Kit refinement nerfs, and… if you connect with both parts, you deal a respectably high amount of burst damage. I’ve been getting about 4k crits, which occur nearly every 4 seconds, and I’m not even a rampager or berserker. I’m in mostly carrion gear with divinity accessories. 3 is nice to prevent channeling, but I’ve never been able to Airblast projectiles.I like 4 for its long-duration Fire field. Even better when you’ve got an immobilize or disable. The damage isn’t anything to write home about, I’m afraid.
5 is a great pseudo-stunbreaker, and damage mitigation tool.
Thanks for explaining. I do realize now that the FT could fit in power builds. I just use the prybar with condi p/p for now
Engineer:
Rifle: mostly power damage
Every single other kit/weapon: nearly 50/50 split between power and condition damageHow the hell am supposed to gear up for engineer (except maybe rampager)? No matter what gear you pick you won’t max the weapon’s damage.
I’m running pure Condition Damage spec with P/S and EG. I run Rocket Boots to make up for not using Pistol off-hand and to get a stun-breaker and I use Carrion stats and Runes of the Undead. I get some decent damage boost from my conversion trait and I use crowd control and evasiveness to let my Condition damage last long enough to matter. Tell me again how I have to spec Power or go 50/50 please. 
To be honest, most weapons in this game that are meant to deal tons of damage are clear on what they want (Power or Con Damage) but the Engineer isn’t naturally a high-damage profession. You see, when they made this game they advertised that every profession could do everything within the old “Holy Trinity” but they never said every class could do everything as easily as others. The Guardian having more defensive CC than other professions gives it a niche, the Warrior and Thief are both high damage professions but do this in different ways, the Necromancer is a flavored caster that has high survivability, the Mesmer is a trickster profession that relies on mind games, and the Elementalist is the squishier blaster caster. Within this system, the Engineer is a flavored do-it-all profession that has obvious limitations to keep it from doing everything better than those who have that niche.
Engi can tank with CC and decent defensive stats if you spec it, an Engi can DPS with pure power OR con damage, an Engi can hit large groups of enemies or deal good single target damage, and the Engi can heal and support effectively. All of these things an Engi has ready access too, easier than some other professions trying them. A theif who wants to buff or support allies will find their options very limited. An Elementalist who wants to tank with CC has the same problem. Everyone can do everything, but some roles come easier to certain professions. The Engi just walks the line between them all and because of that it’s difficult to balance and even harder to make everyone happy. You seem mostly concerned about damage, but others here have expressed concern for other builds. If they buff the Engi’s damage to be in line with Thief or Warrior then there’s no reason to pick them except flavor. The Engi does same damage with more versatility in that case which is something they want to avoid.
Of course this is all my point of view and in no way reflects A-net, but I like the versatility of the Engineer and I don’t want to see that sacrificed for damage or anything else. I’d rather be just below par for damage of Warrior and Theif, just below par for survivability, just below par for AoE damage, just below par for everything but still be able to do it all decently. Anyway, I just wanted to share my thoughts on the Engineer so maybe it would clear some of A-net’s decisions up for you. Have a nice day!
As much as I dislike the nerf to Kit refinemnt, let’s not forget this patch was mostly buffs to kits.
And a few fixes we waited for…
The sky isn’t falling.
It’s just that the devs changed their minds about engineers again it seems.
Versatility? Many kits? Instant kit swapping? One kit? Wait on kit refinement internal cooldown before swapping?
Make up your minds already
As much as I dislike the nerf to Kit refinemnt, let’s not forget this patch was mostly buffs to kits.
And a few fixes we waited for...The sky isn’t falling.
It’s just that the devs changed their minds about engineers again it seems.
Versatility? Many kits? Instant kit swapping? One kit? Wait on kit refinement internal cooldown before swapping?
Make up your minds already
Yup, sure, they are ruined Flamethrower for the WvW/PvE, but it’s OK for the sPvPer - they didn’t see anything around.
As much as I dislike the nerf to Kit refinemnt, let’s not forget this patch was mostly buffs to kits.
And a few fixes we waited for…The sky isn’t falling.
It’s just that the devs changed their minds about engineers again it seems.
Versatility? Many kits? Instant kit swapping? One kit? Wait on kit refinement internal cooldown before swapping?
Make up your minds alreadyYup, sure, they are ruined Flamethrower for the WvW/PvE, but it’s OK for the sPvPer – they didn’t see anything around.
How did they nerf FT for WvW?
Aside the Kit refinement mess, I don’t see anything about the FT that is now worse in WvW…
I can agree that it’s maybe not good enough yet, but surely it didn’t get worse than before, let alone ‘ruined’?
I hardly play spvp and I’m basically in WvW most of my playing time. What changes am I missing here?
(again, aside Kit refinement which I hate as a change).
As much as I dislike the nerf to Kit refinemnt, let’s not forget this patch was mostly buffs to kits.
And a few fixes we waited for…The sky isn’t falling.
It’s just that the devs changed their minds about engineers again it seems.
Versatility? Many kits? Instant kit swapping? One kit? Wait on kit refinement internal cooldown before swapping?
Make up your minds alreadyYup, sure, they are ruined Flamethrower for the WvW/PvE, but it’s OK for the sPvPer – they didn’t see anything around.
How did they nerf FT for WvW?
Aside the Kit refinement mess, I don’t see anything about the FT that is now worse in WvW…
I can agree that it’s maybe not good enough yet, but surely it didn’t get worse than before, let alone ‘ruined’?I hardly play spvp and I’m basically in WvW most of my playing time. What changes am I missing here?
(again, aside Kit refinement which I hate as a change).
He is probably talking about the nerf to Omnomberry Pie/Ghost.
As much as I dislike the nerf to Kit refinemnt, let’s not forget this patch was mostly buffs to kits.
And a few fixes we waited for…The sky isn’t falling.
It’s just that the devs changed their minds about engineers again it seems.
Versatility? Many kits? Instant kit swapping? One kit? Wait on kit refinement internal cooldown before swapping?
Make up your minds alreadyYup, sure, they are ruined Flamethrower for the WvW/PvE, but it’s OK for the sPvPer – they didn’t see anything around.
How did they nerf FT for WvW?
Aside the Kit refinement mess, I don’t see anything about the FT that is now worse in WvW…
I can agree that it’s maybe not good enough yet, but surely it didn’t get worse than before, let alone ‘ruined’?I hardly play spvp and I’m basically in WvW most of my playing time. What changes am I missing here?
(again, aside Kit refinement which I hate as a change).He is probably talking about the nerf to Omnomberry Pie/Ghost.
oh yes, of course.
That is a BIG change indeed.
Personally I sort of figured it was too strong. But being a WvW player myself, I understand the harsh impact it has on Flamethrower engineers in WvW.
The food was too strong in my opinion, but that didn’t mean the FT engineer was too strong at all (even with the food…).
Silly I didn’t figure out it was about the food. My brain was locked on the engineer only changes.
As much as I dislike the nerf to Kit refinemnt, let’s not forget this patch was mostly buffs to kits.
And a few fixes we waited for…The sky isn’t falling.
It’s just that the devs changed their minds about engineers again it seems.
Versatility? Many kits? Instant kit swapping? One kit? Wait on kit refinement internal cooldown before swapping?
Make up your minds alreadyYup, sure, they are ruined Flamethrower for the WvW/PvE, but it’s OK for the sPvPer – they didn’t see anything around.
How did they nerf FT for WvW?
Aside the Kit refinement mess, I don’t see anything about the FT that is now worse in WvW…
I can agree that it’s maybe not good enough yet, but surely it didn’t get worse than before, let alone ‘ruined’?I hardly play spvp and I’m basically in WvW most of my playing time. What changes am I missing here?
(again, aside Kit refinement which I hate as a change).He is probably talking about the nerf to Omnomberry Pie/Ghost.
oh yes, of course.
That is a BIG change indeed.Personally I sort of figured it was too strong. But being a WvW player myself, I understand the harsh impact it has on Flamethrower engineers in WvW.
The food was too strong in my opinion, but that didn’t mean the FT engineer was too strong at all (even with the food…).
Silly I didn’t figure out it was about the food. My brain was locked on the engineer only changes.
Stop your irony and read this:
This is so shame:
You hitting 3 targets under retaliation. Retal will hits you for 300-350 per hit!
So, 10 hits for 2 seconds multiple by 3 targets equal 30 hits.
Multiple it by 300 equal 9000.
You will hit yourself for the NINE THOUSANDS damage while your targets will recieve only 3k (4k with crits!) each.
Earlier we have compensation in Omnomberry food, but now…
(edited by Ayestes.1273)
As much as I dislike the nerf to Kit refinemnt, let’s not forget this patch was mostly buffs to kits.
And a few fixes we waited for…The sky isn’t falling.
It’s just that the devs changed their minds about engineers again it seems.
Versatility? Many kits? Instant kit swapping? One kit? Wait on kit refinement internal cooldown before swapping?
Make up your minds already
Yeah… it’s just an “adapt and overcome” thing.
I’m REALLY liking Elixir Gun <→ healing turret for the double water field + finisher and super elixir. The question that I’m kicking back and forth is weather or not the KR super elixir is still worthwhile with the extra micromanagement involved in timing an extra light field in such a way that doesn’t interfere with regenerating mist → acid bomb… my gut instinct says that it is.
So… I’ll deal with the extra hoops that need to be jumped through for Kit Refinement. The thing that still confuses me though is: why did they even bother with the change in the first place? Sure, the trait is useful, but traits like:
Inspired Virtue,
Altruistic Healing,
Executioner,
Shadow’s Embrace,
Deceptive Evasion,
Illusionary Persona,
Elemental Attunement,
Evasive Arcana,
ect.
…exist in this game. You’d have to be smokin’ crack crazy to think that Kit Refinement is more powerful or build defining than most of the above, or that it is more problematic. Maybe someone can point to a broken interaction that caused this change… otherwise, I just don’t get it.