Gearing for PVE as a condition engineer
I’d say go rampager if you want basic PvE stuff. Personally I use rabid+celestial for WvW and PvE, but I dont care for min-maxing raids anyway (I dont even do dungeons).
Rabid will out damage anything other than sinister/viper for condition builds.
Rabid will out damage anything other than sinister/viper for condition builds.
Rampager is better than rabid for pve IMO …. it you use bombs , nades o EG or FT rampager gives you also power …. try it …
Was leaning towards Rabid. Because of the thoughness and precision.
The precision helps with the Pinpoint Distribution trait (precision to condition damage) and with the Incendiary Power trait. (longer burning and burning on crit).
While the thoughness helps with surviving.
I thought about rampager’s aswell just don’t know how much mileage I would get outoff the power atribute. Also the precision stat is the highest out of the three stats (power, condi and prec) While I prefer condition to be the highest stat. Also that much precision in my build is overkill and wastes too much stat budget on it.
Going to try out Rabid gear for now. Thanks for the answers guys.
I suggest you to do serval times tarir as soon as possible, just get those viper inscriptions before you even start wasting money on semigood exotic gear.
May I ask you three things according to this?
- How much money do you currently have?
- Do you have more than just the engineer you could play for now?
- Do you already have an engi equip? Wich stats?
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i have a rabid ascended but i did a exotic rampager becouse for pve it is much better. Toughness is not that great imho and if u use nades and bomb .. .without power you lose really a lot of dps …. with rampager you kill really fast. For me rabid is not that different for staying alive…. killing fast makes the difference
I suggest you to do serval times tarir as soon as possible, just get those viper inscriptions before you even start wasting money on semigood exotic gear.
May I ask you three things according to this?
- How much money do you currently have?
- Do you have more than just the engineer you could play for now?
- Do you already have an engi equip? Wich stats?
if you make pvp or if you make dungeons a rampager exotic is really fast to get and really effective for pve
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if you make pvp or if you make dungeons a rampager exotic is really fast to get and really effective for pve
agreed!
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Rabid will out damage anything other than sinister/viper for condition builds.
Rampager is better than rabid for pve IMO …. it you use bombs , nades o EG or FT rampager gives you also power …. try it …
If you’re using condition damage skills like fire bomb, shrapnel grenade, napalm, incendiary ammo etc. Rabid will do more damage than rampager.
Rabid will out damage anything other than sinister/viper for condition builds.
Rampager is better than rabid for pve IMO …. it you use bombs , nades o EG or FT rampager gives you also power …. try it …
If you’re using condition damage skills like fire bomb, shrapnel grenade, napalm, incendiary ammo etc. Rabid will do more damage than rampager.
Why ? rampager has more power … nades and bombs make condi damage but also direct damage. I think you should consider the sum of the 2 … no ? I agree with you for pistols skills which are quite only condi based … but nades, bombs , and elixir gun benefit quite a lot from power i think
Why ? rampager has more power … nades and bombs make condi damage but also direct damage. I think you should consider the sum of the 2 … no ? I agree with you for pistols skills which are quite only condi based … but nades, bombs , and elixir gun benefit quite a lot from power i think
Especially in PvE. The extra power from Rampager will give you alot more than the extra condi dmg from rabid simply due to stat scaling at higher numbers. If we ignore toughness you get around +100% base damage increase on power attacks with Rampager, yet a mere +20% condi damage increase with Rabid.
The most obvious example in PvE would be where you need to destroy items. My condi scrapper pretty much have to carry a kit more heavy on power (I use flamethrower) because otherwise its like throwing rocks at a tank.
i like rabid
i hate rampager
my opinion
edit: eh, the difference between sinister and rabid is like 3k dps on paper. out of around 20k, with only might and fury. thats like 15% overall. thats small. the reason its so small is condi engi uses a lot of high condi scaling / low power scaling skills. yes all skills have power coefficients and lots of those are good, but the skills condi engi relies on for high bursty dps dont. as in, things with burning. but when you compare to rampager, you start relying on skills with both power and condi scaling, which is nades 2, 5, and still everything that burns because the scaling on burning is just plain bonkers. so why not just go heavy on the condis to max out that burning? again, my opinion.
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Rabid is ew cos toughness ew ew ew
Superior rune of undead compliments rabid gear really well. Additionally, if you feel like popping into wvw, you literally might move your rings around, and that’s it. The rune can turn a tanky condi build into a condi burst meat shield. Stack with hgh, if you are solo I would even switch to elixir h for the additional stacks. Go p/p with FT, rocket boots, and bombs for the deeps, maybe elixir gun if you need some support.
Spec 3, 3, 1 in scrapper, substitute elixir b for bombs. Yoit condi burst grows as you fight, and it comes with dd and condi mitigation.
Condi engi synergizes with toughness exceptionally well with the rune, and it makes you really nasty in a fight. Throw sigil of torment and geomancy in, use toxic focusing crystal, and sharpening stones. The power is just icing on the condi cake and really you can substitute utility consumable for w/e suits play style.
Why ? rampager has more power … nades and bombs make condi damage but also direct damage. I think you should consider the sum of the 2 … no ? I agree with you for pistols skills which are quite only condi based … but nades, bombs , and elixir gun benefit quite a lot from power i think
If you run around with condi duration from food or runes, the extra condition damage scales much better than the extra precision and power does. If you regularly have 0 might and 0 condi duration, then they do about the same damage.
Feel free to plug both setups into my sheet and compare the numbers for yourself.
I tried both in pve , i have a rabid ascended and a rampagers exotic . I am speaking of pve, not of wvw and pvp where it is really different ( toughness helps a lot ). I usually play with firearms, explosive and inventions , with nades , bombs pistols and eg (sometime ft but i prefer eg in pve too). I have the impression that with rampager i kill mobs faster than with ascended. I use full exotic rampager with a mix of dire and rabid jewellery .
Having toughness is a no go in raids, so either you won’t go there until you got your viper/sinister mix or you go with rampager.
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After trying out Rabid which I do like alot. I’m going to get a second set with Rampager stats. As you guys said thoughness in raids is a no-go. I can allways use my Rabid-gear (or parts of it) in WvW so it’s not a complete loss.
Would the berserker-runeset be good in a Rampager gear setup? Thought the combination of Power and Condition damage + the 5% damage for both would be really nice?
Thanks for all the responses!
After trying out Rabid which I do like alot. I’m going to get a second set with Rampager stats. As you guys said thoughness in raids is a no-go. I can allways use my Rabid-gear (or parts of it) in WvW so it’s not a complete loss.
Would the berserker-runeset be good in a Rampager gear setup? Thought the combination of Power and Condition damage + the 5% damage for both would be really nice?
Thanks for all the responses!
For me the best remain balthazar runes . If you use condition pistol pistol and incendiary powder burning is the strongest condition so balthazar are quite good for me