Guild Wars 2

Here’s to my engineer. He was my main. He made my first legendary, a rifle which makes no sense to use anymore. He can still bunker in sPvP, but he can’t even carry his weight in dungeons.

I feel like engineer is one of the least played classes. It’s not a straightforward class by any means. It lacks the facerolling abilities of other classes and not easy to master. With this last patch, engineers lost their biggest damage dealer, which is still WAY subpar compared to other classes.

Grenades were the one effective way engineers could deal ranged damage. Pistol conditions were nerfed way back. Flamethrower, Repair Kit, and Bomb Kit are not quite long range.

Before I used to run rifle & grenade kit and I still couldn’t keep up with my friend’s DPS in fractals or in WvW. Now I have to run dual pistols (+10 power/kill & +5% dmg) for signets and I do significantly less damage than before.

So basically if you want to run a kit we’re forced into dual weilding since using a rifle would just be stupid, you lose out on a sigil. Regardless we do way less damage. All in all, it makes the class so much less appealing.

: (

I use rifle pvp for spvp and tpvp. Works very well for me. I love facing people knowing they are thinking…thats engi’s using a rifle!? Underdog is the name i think of when i think of engi.
Although you could achieve slightly better results with other classes, an ele/thief springs to mind.
I agree with you, it begs the question : Why use an engineer?

I only play wvw so I can’t comment on how badly the ’nade nerf hurts in pve. I have been running a very simplistic nonkit rifle balanced build for roaming behind the lines wvw for the past month or so I was able to dodge the N-bat this round.

That said, I’m extremely frustrated that I will no longer have the option to switch into a viable ‘nade build for castle sieges. I’m one of the few people I know that play an engineer, and have no desire to reroll.

So here I am speaking out in solidarity with my engineer grenade and elixir kit brethren.

First they N-erfed pistols,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t using pistols.

Then they came for juggernaut,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t using flamethrower.

Then they came for the grenades and elixir gun,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t using them either.

Then they came for my build,
and there was no one left playing engineer to speak for me.

I completely agree with you MrSilver.5269, I went through the same situations, I still wasn’t into pvp to realize what kind of nerf was the flamthrower actually, but a few seconds after reading those patches I realized it, though elixir gun never actually worked well besides the super elixir, but now, with THIS patch, they’ve done it, we can’t play anymore with anything really, our viable (and I mean VIABLE because all the rest is broken, not just weak, BUGGED) option just got nerfed for nothing in exchange, I feel like I wasted my entire gameplay on the engineer I love, and can’t play anything but that ‘coz I’d feel engi-sick if you know what I mean.

I’d be a lil relieved to know the devs are AT LEAST trying to fix the bugs, but as of now NONE showed ANY response about those, not even a single: “we are aware of the issue and we are working to solve it” like they usually do, nuh-uh, nope, nada.

They’ve just kicked in the face a big part of their community and the scary thing is they didn’t realize it yet.

Same here
I love engin and I spent like 500+ hours on it finally I just finished my legendary rifle before the day they patch, OK now I got a nice rifle but I didn’t even equip it since I need to think about the sigil issue.

So sad

MrSilver.5269:

So here I am speaking out in solidarity with my engineer grenade and elixir kit brethren.

First they N-erfed pistols,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t using pistols.

Then they came for juggernaut,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t using flamethrower.

Then they came for the grenades and elixir gun,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t using them either.

Then they came for my build,
and there was no one left playing engineer to speak for me.

Honestly, this right here 100%. Every time I read the patch notes, the first think I do is go to the engineer subsection; hoping, praying that they didn’t nerf my build. When I think about it, it’s downright sad. No other class has been gutted so often since launch. Not a one. It’s a sad sad thing when every time a patch rolls around, your first thought is a silent prayer that the devs left you build alone. Not that they reduced our bug list (longer than every other classes’ by far), but that they just left us alone.

Don´t forget this last part of the patch notes:

“Going forward

•Tank vs spike vs physical DPS vs condie DPS. We want to keep making balance changes that allow all classes to have various builds they can use. We don’t want tanks dominating the game, and we don’t want spike builds dominating. "

= good chance for a nerf on bunker builds in the future

“•AOE balance. We feel that in PvP some AOE builds are too strong for the opportunity cost, and we’ll be bringing those in line in the next few patches#”

= who says they are done with engi-AOE-damage?

Bad thing is in practice we don´t have one single-target damage worth talking about, all our remaining builds are built on some AoE-damage (pistols with coated bullets, flamethrower, bombs, static discharge, grenades)

Caino.7130:

I use rifle pvp for spvp and tpvp. Works very well for me. I love facing people knowing they are thinking…thats engi’s using a rifle!? Underdog is the name i think of when i think of engi.
Although you could achieve slightly better results with other classes, an ele/thief springs to mind.
I agree with you, it begs the question : Why use an engineer?

Why use an engineer? Because if you’re still reading/posting in these forums, you’re as stubborn as I am, and refuse to give up on an awesome playstyle no matter how much we may be sucking. Man, if we ever get fixed, everyone is screwed. Us faithful engi’s have been dealing with our sub-par everything for so long if we get the buffs we deserve we’re going to absolutely clean house in PvP lol. Raise your glasses, my fellow engineers. We’re stubborn and we will not go away, OUR DAY MUST COME. Cheers!

I rolled an Elementalist this weekend, to get ready for the February WvW update. This way I have both hybrid/high skill cap professions leveled and geared. I love my Engineer but it’s clear to me now that Anet just doesn’t know what to do with the profession.

Liquid.9672:

I rolled an Elementalist this weekend, to get ready for the February WvW update. This way I have both hybrid/high skill cap professions leveled and geared. I love my Engineer but it’s clear to me now that Anet just doesn’t know what to do with the profession.

It is clear to me they intend for the Engineer to be terrible.

Every time someone rolls out an Engineer build that is even slightly competitive it is nerfed next patch.

Mark my wards, Bunker builds will be nerfed next.

The devs seem to want this game to be “Guardians Warriors 2 (Classes we care about)”, I really hope someone at Arena Net shuffles the teams around so someone with an ounce of competence can lead the balance efforts.

Because no amount of theory crafting will save a class from Developer malice.

It has moved past “kitten up before Conspiracy”. The developers have specifically targeted the least played class for massive nerfs in every patch. I wish they would just delete the damn class already, because they clearly just want to. It would be less insulting for them to say “Listen, it doesn’t work, we’re sorry” rather than kittenting all over them each patch.

Maybe they just want us to be the crowd control class. Maybe I should take rifle, toolkit, net turret, and frost grenade and just run around with the commander all day in WvW. It’d probably kick kitten and be super helpful, but that just leaves everything else we do still wanting. Though it might be debatable how useful that is vs a warrior facerolling for damage and just getting the enemy dead quicker.

I’m with Choops. The Engineer is the most difficult to master because we have so many fun toys to play with. We have been nerfed to hell and back, but we few who love this class stick with it. The Engineer is the sleeper class.

Thanks for all the revealing comments guys. I am just downloading gw2 right now, and was thinking strongly of playing eng., er, I think all look elsewhere now.

What they have done to this class is the equivalent of what Blizzard did to the engineer craft in WoW nerfed it into oblivion. Toasts the OP

runaroundclown.9072:

Thanks for all the revealing comments guys. I am just downloading gw2 right now, and was thinking strongly of playing eng., er, I think all look elsewhere now.

It’s all playstyle my friend, and yes, we’re bottom of the barrel now, but such is the way of MMO’s. I would bet dollars to pesos that everyone who has played over 100 hours of PvP time on an engineer has done so with 4+ builds, just trying to roll with the changes to still be able to do something comparable to another professions utility/damage/bunker ability, etc. How many other people that main their class can say that? I’m not saying that being nerfed into oblivion feels great, because it definitely doesn’t, but MMO’s tend to slingshot around classes that are on top, and even though it appears that we’ll never get our day in the sun, chances are that we will, and when that happens, we will be competent in many different builds and able to adapt to nerfs/boosts more than any other class, I assure you. If I draw any positives from my engi being pretty much the only class I play, it’s that a lot of mesmers/warriors/thieves aren’t always sure how to counter us, because let’s be honest, you at most see 1 other engi in hotjoin. We are the chameleons of this game. Adapting to our various nerfs to still breathe some life into our class and surprise some people along the way. The faithful shall be rewarded. God, at least I hope so…. lol

Ejiofor.4801:

I’m with Choops. The Engineer is the most difficult to master because we have so many fun toys to play with. We have been nerfed to hell and back, but we few who love this class stick with it. The Engineer is the sleeper class.

The problem is I have better things to do than put up with substandard gameplay.

Guild Wars 2 doesn’t have a monopoly on my time. The class is just not fun to play with nerf after nerf after nerf. And frankly I have 0 confidence in the current balance team’s ability to make good decisions.

I’m not going to stand around hoping that 6 months from now they get a clue.

Xae.7204:

Ejiofor.4801:

I’m with Choops. The Engineer is the most difficult to master because we have so many fun toys to play with. We have been nerfed to hell and back, but we few who love this class stick with it. The Engineer is the sleeper class.

The problem is I have better things to do than put up with substandard gameplay.

Guild Wars 2 doesn’t have a monopoly on my time. The class is just not fun to play with nerf after nerf after nerf. And frankly I have 0 confidence in the current balance team’s ability to make good decisions.

I’m not going to stand around hoping that 6 months from now they get a clue.

I think you can replace balance “team” with balance guy.

It is unfortunate that it seems the devs did thier testing on paper instead of in game. That is all I can figure out to make them so distanced from the actual game play to make these changes.

Xae.7204:

Ejiofor.4801:

I’m with Choops. The Engineer is the most difficult to master because we have so many fun toys to play with. We have been nerfed to hell and back, but we few who love this class stick with it. The Engineer is the sleeper class.

The problem is I have better things to do than put up with substandard gameplay.

Guild Wars 2 doesn’t have a monopoly on my time. The class is just not fun to play with nerf after nerf after nerf. And frankly I have 0 confidence in the current balance team’s ability to make good decisions.

I’m not going to stand around hoping that 6 months from now they get a clue.

Yep unfortunately we’ll see more of this and you know, I don’t blame you no one wants to waste their time. I know I don’t.