Guild Wars 2

I love to play the Gunpowder and Steampunk Class – So it was obvious for me to pick Engineer five years ago.

Played Powerbuilds with Rifle+varying Kits all the Time, crafted a Legendary Rifle.

Then HoT came and turned my class into a freaking Hammerer – Only Condicheese provided Gunpowder with Pistols and my Legendary Rifle was just getting dusty inside a bank vault.

Now with PoF my Engineer becomes some fancy Swordmaster – And thief gets a dedicated Rifleman, Marksman, Sniper call it what you want specc.

I am out, I am sooo much out of this class.

Rename the Class Engineer into ‘The Experimental class thing we actually can’t find a theme and name for’.

The hammer somewhat made sense since it could still be said to be an engineers tool. A sword, not so much.

Look at the bright side, at least you got new use for your legendary in this expansion. I didnt get any new crap for my Hope.

You don’t want to switch now, thief’s deadeye is some kind of a joke, kitten compared to holosmith in terms of design and dmg.

Rong.5470:

You don’t want to switch now, thief’s deadeye is some kind of a joke, kitten compared to holosmith in terms of design and dmg.

He will learn how weak Deadeye is later :p

On that note:

It was quite clear Engineer will never get a Rifle theme Elite Spec since Elite Spec is based on providing new weapons for the Engineer with new mechanics.

Rifle can work with Holosmith since Holoform is a Melee auto Form but can be traited to a Range auto attack form.

No one said you can’t play Rifle Holosmith nor have to use sword as your primary weapon. From skill and traits Holosmith is very versatile with Primary weapon choice so players can easily play Rifle Holosmith, Sword/Pistol, Sword/Shield, or Pistol/Pistol Holosmith.

Holosmith skills does not have a weapon base trait and focus more on the Holo form and Overheat mechanic for its trait.

http://imgur.com/a/8B772

Rifle Holosmith may be a good choice for players if they aim for Rifle for long range Auto and Holo Form for melee Auto. Providing a mix of now having both range and melee auto attacks switching between rifle and holo form to adjust to demands in combat.

havent seen in detail but for me a thief that can killshot from 1200 range or more sounds really scary

Spartacus.3192:

havent seen in detail but for me a thief that can killshot from 1200 range or more sounds really scary

You’re right, you haven’t seen the details.

Spartacus.3192:

havent seen in detail but for me a thief that can killshot from 1200 range or more sounds really scary

Which isn’t the case. I believe the Deadeye needs to make preparations that include fighting (so no 1200 range surprise instagib, infact, that might even be really costly to him) before bringing the pain. Still, I’m not sure rerolling a Thief would be your best move given that the whole thing looks dull overall.

OP what should engi’s theme be? Because judging by your post you want rifle to be the theme.

Engi is a profession that’s innovating, using the tools around him to help him succeed. Engi is an inventor, a machinist, an alchymist, a physicist and a scientist. Scrapper fits engi perfectly thematically. This time we got asura tech based spec. Personally, I’d rather give engi mace, which seems more fitting but I don’t see problem with sword.

leviathan.2148:

OP what should engi’s theme be? Because judging by your post you want rifle to be the theme.

It should be… wait for it… wait for it… WINNING. At least some of the time, WINNING!

leviathan.2148:

Engi is a profession that’s innovating, using the tools around him to help him succeed. Engi is an inventor, a machinist, an alchymist, a physicist and a scientist. Scrapper fits engi perfectly thematically. This time we got asura tech based spec. Personally, I’d rather give engi mace, which seems more fitting but I don’t see problem with sword.

Which is awesome if your only aspiration in gw2 is to play outdated dungeons or the odd snowflake scenario featuring a static fight.

If it were Asuran we’d be getting a huge, honking robot- a GIANT ROBOT- that either follows us around or allows us to ride on its shoulder _ALL THE TIME- (not on a long cooldown) and which beats the literal snot out of anyone who gets near us. We’re not getting that.

And apart from that he’s talking about WvW and in WvW Engineers are garbage. Thematically they’re my absolute favourite profession for the reasons you stated. But that said they’re still garbage. It’s taken the devs several years to make it that way but they’ve finally succeeded. Now we’re walking garbage with mecha legs, a hammer, and a kittened elite drone that’s slower than us on average and doesn’t have the decency to include itself in its own stealth field.

Holosmith will be more of the same except shiny garbage with mecha legs.

They still won’t be tops in anything- apart from failing. The light show is going to more than make certain players know when to avoid them. And- it’s melee range, And – it’s glass without any proper escape. High risk no reward.

He’s right to go thief or any other class that has a proper developer who not only plays the class they’re assigned to improve but who actually cares about the players of that profession and doesn’t spend what time they have to communicate with the player base on reddit hoping to have their ego stroked.

In wvw expect to see five man snipe squads going rifle/ shortbow, staggering use of shadow refuge, and simply pressing ‘1’ in unison to decap targets. Everyone complained before about thieves who just Steal engaged and ran away to harass groups. Now they’ll no longer need to Steal to work you over before running or resetting the fight. If you’re bunker they might have to press ‘1’ twice.

Yes, rifles are a projectile weapon and there’s plenty of projectile hate in the form of reflects and absorb shields. You have to expect them, having some sort of sixth sense, which is just inane and doesn’t happen. Barring that you have to see them coming and have the latency and reaction time to bring up a reflect/absorb/evade.

How many times do you see a steal coming? On average you don’t. Five auto shots(and every weapon out there has to have an auto attack to make it viable in ‘teh pve’) from stealth at 1200 range- they don’t have to be special abilities or even subject to whatever flukey mechanic will come with Deadeye.

So either make friends with someone who runs nonstop blobs, or spend gems to go to a high tier server that runs them even without tags, or – never leave the walls of a portal keep or tower solo or small group ever again. It happened with stealth wars in DAoC and is probably going to happen here for a long while after launch until players either get sick of being free bags or the hipster contrarian thieves get sick of sniping and try to make ganking in melee range a badge of honour again(who’s kidding, it’s the thief/snipe community.)

HoT was trash. Instead of ‘Quality of Life’ development we got ’Ain’t it cool?‘. Now, with PoF, Anet’s at it again. The community has been shouting, ‘HELP ME!!! HELP ME, PLEASE!?!?! I’M DROWNING!!!’

And the devs in turn have just said, ‘K. Here ya go. Now you get to play a watered-down necro/druid Scarlet Briar wannabe. luls.’ And then drops mic -because nerds appropriating rap culture and dropping the mic was ultra ironic cool once(it actually wasn’t. Just don’t tell the nerd who did it that. They still believe you were laughing with them.)

Quit giving engineers false hopes by enumerating qualities which were, at best, ideals which now have nothing to do with how terrible they actually perform in practice. Let them abandon the profession if they want to. It’s time for another profession to be resident punching bag for a while.

Iozeph.5617:

Which is awesome if your only aspiration in gw2 is to play outdated dungeons or the odd snowflake scenario featuring a static fight.

If it were Asuran we’d be getting a huge, honking robot- a GIANT ROBOT- that either follows us around or allows us to ride on its shoulder _ALL THE TIME- (not on a long cooldown) and which beats the literal snot out of anyone who gets near us. We’re not getting that.

Isn’t that a bit biased to only one side of Asura culture?

Asura culture has shown to focus more than just golems. Another part of their technology and advancements is through holographic projection which they use to create a lot of holographic objects and interactive consoles.

Holosmith is a Elite Spec that focus on the College of Dynamics in Asura culture which about highly experimental technology half of them being holographic technology while the other half focusing on advancements of Golems.

As for WvW, I would save judgement until actually testing out the Elite Spec. Holo Form can be trated into a Range Attack form instead by using the Crystal Configuration Trait.

It also comes with a Utility skill that reduce damage from both power and condition by 50% that has cooldown reduce to 15 sec above 50 heat with a Healing skill that also reduce incoming damage by 10% if above 50 heat.

All this paranoia going around, in my point of view, seem to be just paranoia itself over not having actual test out how Holosmith works nor what builds can be built yet while also putting person belief on what the player individually believe Engineer should be.

I have to agree it does seem a weak spec for thief on the bright side though it will add options for stealth to my thief and give me a better ranged weapon to use for bosses in open world than the bow.

As for the engineer, I think the holosmith works out well but I too am disappointed in the balance team and their antics

Tbh,the Holosmith looks OP in my eyes….like after realease i can see ppls roflstomping everyone else ,and like someone already said,1 month later in the balance , huge nerfs,and then in the next 3 months a round of casual nerfs that will break traits sinergy like they always do especially with Engineer.

But on paper,this new elite is cool….if it wasn’t for the fact that we have 0 ranged weapons aside from pistols at moment , and 5 years ago’ i chose the engineer for his ranged ability and the rifle/ pistol pistol coolness (the traits that will give us "ranged " ability on holosmith autoattack,it’s only 600 range…while moving….so effectively will be even less than 600).

As the OP , i also crafted legendary rifle , and i suffered a lot in HoT to not being able to use it anymore.
And go play Pisto/pistol condi cheese…was….a shame for a pvper.

I got the anet mail calling for new expansion , i watched some video on youtube , and the first reaction was “omg , i will start playing GW2 again , and i will go for the thief , kitten that melee relegated useless scrap , i will be finally able to use my rifle again”.
Then a day passed , i checked evrything again…and i felt more like waiting , not prepurchasing a game or an expansion anymore, not after i saw what happend in 5 years , zero trust in balance .

Next Xmas , when they’ll already nerfed evrything to the ground , and there will be more than enough videos and textbooks of crying peoples about the balance status in the game at the moment , IF i like it , and IF the expansion goes on sale , i will buy it , if not…oh well…bye bye.

Not gonna give a single cent for the same invincible tanky melee only crap i got to play in the past 2 years , and that lately is also ultracountered form almost any class.

But i must admit…the stuff i saw was cool :P , for evry class the showed till now , all cool stuff :P .

Have fun! (Holosmith will poop on Deadeye)

Nirvana.8659:

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There are also generally concerns for Deadeye by Thief players as well.

The general theme of Deadeye is a single target focused long range Elite spec and to use their best skills they must sacrifice their mobility to enter a turret stance. There is a roll skill to move around but there is going to require a lot of stance dancing to meet mobility requirements for certain fights.

There is also the resource build up requirement to meet the maximum damage from deadeye’s mechanic and the time it takes to actually build up.

@EdwinLi :

You are right , but there is a lot of traits on the basic thief lines , that are gonna make the damge of rifle a real pain.

Of course ,if one pretend to duel using a rifle only , it will be a self death sentence.

I doubt it will be used in some meaning PvP scenario , but in WvW ? It will be a lot of fun sniping around the zerg.

And with traits , you can take the line without equip the rifle , and try to find a way to make it work . Immagine a basic thief , marking an enemy …. and then backstabbing him twice in few seconds using their new elite that allows them to remove the “revealed” debuff and immidiatly go stealth again..on 5 sec cd if i well remember(but pretty sure it will be increased) .

But it’s useless to discuss this now that things have to come out yet , and get nerfed over and over.
You can have a decent point of view only after 5-6 month after the expansion release , when you can see nerf after nerf how Anet wants you to play your class and , what build you are allowed to use.

The only thing i see , it’s a lot of cool stuff with this expansion , i main the engineer from 5 years…heck..i also have 3 of them , with 8k hours on engineer only , but i’m done with it.
It just became boring as the other classes .The same tanky build from 2 years…and now , more melee stuff….super cool melee stuff with this expansion , but…it’s always melee .
I want to use my legendary , it took me months to make the only one that i liked…“the predator” , so if i will ever buy the expansion after 5-6 month from the release , pretty sure i would check twice the Thief sniper thing….even if it can’t duel….but i can use my rifle in WvW , may be i will get stomped sometime , but when i will respawn on the back of my character there will be “the predator”….better than have it endlessly parked in my inventory.

thief is fun and easy in wvw but im not sure i would want deadeye over daredevil. i suppose i cant wait to at least try killshot thief. holosmith doesnt much look like a wvw spec to me despite its attention to replacing what you give up by forgoing alchemy and or tools.

Nirvana.8659:

@EdwinLi :

You are right , but there is a lot of traits on the basic thief lines , that are gonna make the damge of rifle a real pain.

Of course ,if one pretend to duel using a rifle only , it will be a self death sentence.

I doubt it will be used in some meaning PvP scenario , but in WvW ? It will be a lot of fun sniping around the zerg.

And with traits , you can take the line without equip the rifle , and try to find a way to make it work . Immagine a basic thief , marking an enemy …. and then backstabbing him twice in few seconds using their new elite that allows them to remove the “revealed” debuff and immidiatly go stealth again..on 5 sec cd if i well remember(but pretty sure it will be increased) .

But it’s useless to discuss this now that things have to come out yet , and get nerfed over and over.
You can have a decent point of view only after 5-6 month after the expansion release , when you can see nerf after nerf how Anet wants you to play your class and , what build you are allowed to use.

The only thing i see , it’s a lot of cool stuff with this expansion , i main the engineer from 5 years…heck..i also have 3 of them , with 8k hours on engineer only , but i’m done with it.
It just became boring as the other classes .The same tanky build from 2 years…and now , more melee stuff….super cool melee stuff with this expansion , but…it’s always melee .
I want to use my legendary , it took me months to make the only one that i liked…“the predator” , so if i will ever buy the expansion after 5-6 month from the release , pretty sure i would check twice the Thief sniper thing….even if it can’t duel….but i can use my rifle in WvW , may be i will get stomped sometime , but when i will respawn on the back of my character there will be “the predator”….better than have it endlessly parked in my inventory.

Honestly I never found predator to be a weapon for Warrior nor Engineer,

The very design itself is a sniper rifle and it even has that two small metal V shape Legs often used by snipers when they enter a sniping position to reduce the recoil of their shots.

Predator is just made to be a Deadeye weapon vanity look.

On that note:
Speaking of Vanity looks for Elite Specs…

I wish Anet would have added a Exosuit Holoweapon Black Lion weapon set to the game. It would have been a must have for me because I love the Asuran High tech weapon looks and it would have gone lovely with Holosmith escpecially there is currently a lack of Shields to go with a Holosmith theme. (though plasma shield is decent atleast)

Not to mention the special effects that may have been used for the Exosuit Holoweapon BL set may have been great using special Holographic projections when players wielded the weapons to form the weapons themselves.

@EdwinLi: You know, I’m using the Plasma Shield skin, too? I bounce between that and Scientific!

Planning on Plasma Shield for when that Holosmith weapon drops, though.

I do have a Predator, though, that I bought for 450 gold waaaaaayyyy back when.

As much criticism that people are giving DeadEye, we all know it’s going to be quite the experience for the enemy when this thing +1s in WvW. Even if you aren’t worried about it on it’s own (which you should be) you will learn to worry about it in a half competent party.

LilBiM.3581:

As much criticism that people are giving DeadEye, we all know it’s going to be quite the experience for the enemy when this thing +1s in WvW. Even if you aren’t worried about it on it’s own (which you should be) you will learn to worry about it in a half competent party.

Deadeyes I am going to love, let me tell you, absolutely adore eating alive. I have a shield that reflects their nonsense back at them. Rangers have learned the hard way to never underestimate an Engineer holding a shield and to never throw that Longbow 4 attack they have at one, because it spells their doom.

Thieves will learn. They will learn to run and flee, the same as Rangers.