Guild Wars 2

Hi! i like Engi with double pistols a lot, now i’m wondering will i be just fine if i go P/P for any kind of PvP. No bombs and grendes! Just elixirs or Gadgets.

I came across a P/P elexir build at metabattle.com. I couldn’t test it myself yet and don’t know if it’s viable, but you could give it a try. Keep in mind that the build is in the category “Draft” and not completed.

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Engineer_-_Full_Alchemist

Regards

it won’t work with only pistols elixirs as good as with kits

thouhg P/p itselfe can make alot of awesome condi combo-wombos with ft tk or eg

Elixers and gadgets alone wont give you enough survivability, uitility or damage but if you’re really interested i would say something along the lines of
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQJAqalUUhqrYnXwvLQ+FLsF1YOuj/I4HWiBgYHNFPBA-TJhFwAAeAAE3fIxJAwZZAA

Right now p/p is really the only viable form of hybrid for both wvw and pvp since traits ruined synergy with rifle.

This is my current build in spvp, If you know how to use it it can be very strong and is also fun to play compared to mindlessly spamming FT.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQJAqalUUhSuYJWw+Kw6FLsF1YcMGfB4HWiBwXSdhHAA-TJxHAB7s/AAnAgiKD87DAAA

Have fun

Edit: You always have the option of switching tool kit out for bomb kit and going full condi rabid p/p which has always been a viable build in pvp.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQJAqalUUh+sYJWw+Kw6FLpFV4L2R1GYJuiHw3TFANAA-TJxHABus/wRlBA4EA87DAAA

I can make it work on a hybrid damage build (Rampager amulet) by stacking burning duration to make IA and blowtorch into a burning burst. Open with that, then rotate through whatever you need.

It’s not my favorite though, it’s too focused on landing that burning burst.

Ty for your tips, guys

it is viable, it’s for condi/burn build.

firearms/alchemy/tools
balth rune, rabid amulet

utilities – flamethrower, toolkit, elixir s, mortar

i sometimes switch flamethrower for bombs

Chasind.3128:

it is viable, it’s for condi/burn build.

firearms/alchemy/tools
balth rune, rabid amulet

utilities – flamethrower, toolkit, elixir s, mortar

i sometimes switch flamethrower for bombs

I use a variant with Elixer X. Pretty Fun.

Chasind.3128:

it is viable, it’s for condi/burn build.

firearms/alchemy/tools
balth rune, rabid amulet

utilities – flamethrower, toolkit, elixir s, mortar

i sometimes switch flamethrower for bombs

Solid build right there. I take EG over Elixir S in general, for MOAR might stacking and, suprisingly, more survivability in rabid amulet (stun-breaker more frequent and Acid Bomb getting you out of trouble). Try it for yourself.

Sorel.4870:

Chasind.3128:

it is viable, it’s for condi/burn build.

firearms/alchemy/tools
balth rune, rabid amulet

utilities – flamethrower, toolkit, elixir s, mortar

i sometimes switch flamethrower for bombs

Solid build right there. I take EG over Elixir S in general, for MOAR might stacking and, suprisingly, more survivability in rabid amulet (stun-breaker more frequent and Acid Bomb getting you out of trouble). Try it for yourself.

tyvm, i shall!

Just starting experimenting with p/p myself. I find it easier to use than kits. Like most said here, the majority of your damage will be with burn. That being said, there is plenty of survivability built into a pure elixir p/p build in midrange sPvP (bear rank) against most players I’ve gone against. I’ve traited firearms, alchemy, and inventions. Took the two pistol oriented and burn trait in firearms, the two middle (survivability) and HGH traits in alchemy, and smoke bomb-mecha legs-bunker down in inventions. I use a rabid amulet instead of a rampager for the extra precision and toughness. I can’t make up my mind on runes, but generally you’ll stick to extra burn duration/condi damage; balthazar, flame legion, or go with undead (highest condition stat I’ve been able to achieve). Don’t forget to stick a sigil of smoldering on your offhand pistol (though not sure it makes a diff). Then get some utility potions; S, R, U are great for a variety of situations. But I have run into some brick walls against certain classes, ele’s, mesmers to name a couple. So for higher sPvP or WvW, I defer to others.

As an aside I’ve been trying to find a viable elixir gun build and discovered that weapon skills 4 and 5 actually count as elixirs for purposes of HGH. Been playing since release and never realized :|

Bishop.2690:

As an aside I’ve been trying to find a viable elixir gun build and discovered that weapon skills 4 and 5 actually count as elixirs for purposes of HGH. Been playing since release and never realized :|

That is because it was not the case until very recently.

Yes, it’s viable. Been running it in ranked at high mmr for months now after everyone gave up on it and it wins most every 1v1. I run carrion.

I was using it with bombs a couple months ago right after the specialization patch. Even with bugged bomb radius it was okay, it’s probably pretty solid now I haven’t gone back to it yet.

P/P, Bombs/TK/Elixir Gun if I remember right… P/P has good synergy with bombs.

sure it is.

Just remember the basics though.

PP is a mid range skirmish style you need some defense. As meantioned, rabid/carrion ammulet will give you some physical defense. Personally I’m a fan of rampager and make use of active defences.

Toolkit is excellent for PP. Think; pull>prybar>blowtorch>escape mechanism

ecape can be elixirgun’s acid bomb or a flamethrower knockback… if you’re crazy, like me, you can run rocket boots :P

tl;dr sure it is, whatever works best for you.

If you use pp with elixir s and b it is ok but youneed elixir gun becouse pisrol 1 is too weak

Honestly, a build without any kit will always be disadvantaged compared to kitbuilds. The only build thats kind of “viable” without kits is SD, and even the SD build gets much stronger if you run toolkit.
A p/p build with 3 elixiers is a joke to fight against for any descent opponent, i dont know why people recommend it in here. Its like playing another class without a second weapon set → Bullkitten. You may kill some newcomers with it, but you will get completely wrecked when you face the usual meta builds.

It depennds on level. For casual pvp players hgh elixirs builds can work. I know that kits are sronger but after 3 years of kits it is quite normal to want to try a gameplay completely different. And in 1 vs 1 full elixirs with rifle can be quite strong (pistols have too long cd to be effective without eg becouse pistol 1 is kitten). There is people who play for esl or tol but there are many others who play for fun .

Definitely viable. I sometimes run p/p, eg, ft, elixir s, elixir h, supply crate. Sigils of energy and torment. Rune of undead with rabid amulet. Firearms 1,1,3. Alchemy 2,1,1. Inventions 2,3,2. This has decent sustain with 2k toughness against dd builds. Have to be smart with cleanses, but you have 4 so time them and watch your boon/condi bar. The real secret weapon with this build is eg 5, then 4, for area retaliation. Lasts 6 seconds and is amazing burst against all classes/builds. Fairly quick recharge, and a good dd kicker that you can allow to launch you to safety. Otherwise keeps those pistol condi’s on cd, use incendiary ammo as second burning application(not first as it will get cleansed, p/p 4 good as opener), stack might as best you can with high and ft(about 7-10 easily sustainable). Otherwise take advantage of ft utility 5,3, and quick burst with 2. Use eg 3,5,4 to hit a whole group of enemies with condi, allies with cleanse/boons, and apply retaliation+dd kicker. Elixir s is oh kitten button and additional might/stealth for approaches. I enjoy taking sown bunker guads 1v1 in a couple of seconds with this build, and if you watch red circles, can stand against ele. Rangers are wet tissue as long as you avoid pet, thieves are paper too(excluding exceptionally good ones). The real issue I have found with this build is against a decent mes. If they get you wasting condi’s on clones, or resist trying to burst during retaliation, they hard counter this build fairly easily. It’s surprisingly hardy, and alot of fun. VERY EFFECTIVE COURTYARD BUILD. Great if you have team support in conquest, collapses under focus. Good 1v1, but with condi comes the build up time, and if in those few seconds back up arrives, it can be trouble. Gl/hf. Basz.6129 if you have questions or suggestions. Btw, this is my for fun condi build, rifle build for 98% ranked matches.

Sorel.4870:

Chasind.3128:

it is viable, it’s for condi/burn build.

firearms/alchemy/tools
balth rune, rabid amulet

utilities – flamethrower, toolkit, elixir s, mortar

i sometimes switch flamethrower for bombs

Solid build right there. I take EG over Elixir S in general, for MOAR might stacking and, suprisingly, more survivability in rabid amulet (stun-breaker more frequent and Acid Bomb getting you out of trouble). Try it for yourself.

You loose the cheesy stealth burn application tho…
Too funny watch people melting in seconds if they do not react fast enough XD

In my opinion with hgh builds tools is better than invention. The reason is the 15% reduciton on tossic elixir which is really valuable for might stacking and for elixir Effects ( with elixir B you have 6 sec stab every 17 sec or so that is really strong )

PierPiero.9142:

In my opinion with hgh builds tools is better than invention. The reason is the 15% reduciton on tossic elixir which is really valuable for might stacking and for elixir Effects ( with elixir B you have 6 sec stab every 17 sec or so that is really strong )

the problem is that engi is soggy kitten. Our weakness is in our strength of having so many kits and so much variety. We are forced to make sacrifices in each build. Part of the power in p/p condi, for me, is survivability and I don’t think we have a stronger oh kitten than bunker down. I would be more inclined to trade alchemy for tools than inventions in this build, but if I am taking tools it’s for ranked q build.

If you take eg and elixir S, with elixir S every 48 secs and elixir S from trait, with stealth every 32 sec and stability every 17 and with elixir gun 4 every 12 seconds you can survive quite well . I am not saying it is the most op build in the world but it is viable. Also if you play without eg and take elixir U, you have projectil reflection and a good dps boost , in my opinion with eg it is better but it is really really strong in any case. As elite i suggest always elixir X for pvp becouse toss elixir X is too important against necros or as an interrupt and rampage, when it come out, is an easy win button

Elixir PP cele with scavenger runes works too.

i prefer rabid for p/p. Cele has a quite low condition damage ( in respect to rabid ) and direct damage of pistols is really bad. For cele i prefer rifle with nades and toolkit ( i prefer celestial to soldier even if it is not meta )

PierPiero.9142:

i prefer rabid for p/p. Cele has a quite low condition damage ( in respect to rabid ) and direct damage of pistols is really bad. For cele i prefer rifle with nades and toolkit ( i prefer celestial to soldier even if it is not meta )

FT2 has quite a bit of punch power wise and if you can keep your might up even FT1 can deal some decent sustained dmg.

Oh yes … i really hate ft so i never consider it sorry

I have posted thisas a replay for “how to deal with conditions” but its also working to deal conditions.
I prefer version with shield OH but p/p is also deadly,( to be honest it works with rifle also)
I did chnage elite to mortar for opening with longer range and another elixr.( i was playing with idea of full elixir buid and sentinel amulet for durability and tools instead of firearms but this works so much better for me) and it gets all benefits of elixir build for might stacks ,few sec less but its ok.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQJAqalcThCsY1VwdLQ7FLsFF4HWiBQYKeRvmYHNFPBA-TJxHwAm2f4YZAxPAAAnAAA

I have repeteadly gain top scorer condi clear and top condi dmg with this even with guards and other support classes around,and i did another change from elixir R to elixir b for stability and disa pontment with elixir R( it could be lag or somthing but latly it doesnt help when downed at all, me or my teammates get stomped before it kicks in even if i revive some1 and have elixir kicking i cant rev before stomp rly strange)
Any way i constantly run with 24 stacks of might with this build and is not so easy to kill even when p/p.
If focused,well these days no1 can survive much if focused…

p/p is viable for an hgh/burn build -its a condi build that i prefer to use with flamethrower, toolkit & elixir S

Chasind.3128:

p/p is viable for an hgh/burn build -its a condi build that i prefer to use with flamethrower, toolkit & elixir S

You beat me to it. Yes bro, P/P burn build is not only viable it is top tier scum bagging funsies.