So I’ve been experimenting with playing engi without kits. Of course I recognize the significance and benefits of kits, I just thought I’d try something outside of what I normally play. Here is a video showing some of the highlights. It is a montage, so of course it doesn’t show the times I got shut down, but, I found this to be a very fun and effective roaming build. I hope you enjoy.
i d say that it is far not best gameplay, that can be played.
you have to learn that riftle#4 can be used on downstate rangers to prevent their pet from resing.
and to to tank guardian scepter#5 shield
Thank you for your insights! I thought much in the same as I watched myself shoot that ranger in the 2nd clip. “Why didn’t I just knock back the Drake?”. Haha that’s the main reason I record game play though, to review and improve.
nice how you dodged that stealth entangle at 7:06. I didn’t knew before that you could see a white circle on the ground when its used. Do you pay extra attention for necro attacks that you definitely want to dodge? if yes, which?
nice how you dodged that stealth entangle at 7:06. I didn’t knew before that you could see a white circle on the ground when its used. Do you pay extra attention for necro attacks that you definitely want to dodge? if yes, which?
Thanks! That entangle dodge was partially prediction. I saw the white circle blip but I didn’t know that entangle was what was being casted but I knew that I didn’t want to get hit by whatever the ranger was throwing at me from stealth.
With necros I mostly just try to avoid the marks, wells, and throw moa potion at lich forms, plagues, and sometimes deathshrouds. I wish I could give you a better answer but that is all I can offer.
Yay for kitless Engineer! I want to try it myself, as I’m not too fond of the kit toggling 24/7. I wanted to go double pewstol and focus on conditions, but I’ll see how it goes as I level.
Oh wow, I was expecting an okay turnout using that build, but holy crap. You actually did really well.
I’m leveling my first engineer now, and trying to be a grenadier.. However, it just feels extremely weak and lacks an “oomph”. Your build strongly reminds me of Operative from SWTOR, and that’s the class I mained.
If you could post an example of your build so I can try it out, I’d love you. It looks really effective. And maybe the enemies were just weaklings, but you were hardly taking damage, which really interests me. My engie is just unbelievably squishy and it gets annoying.
Oh wow, I was expecting an okay turnout using that build, but holy crap. You actually did really well.
I’m leveling my first engineer now, and trying to be a grenadier.. However, it just feels extremely weak and lacks an “oomph”. Your build strongly reminds me of Operative from SWTOR, and that’s the class I mained.
If you could post an example of your build so I can try it out, I’d love you. It looks really effective. And maybe the enemies were just weaklings, but you were hardly taking damage, which really interests me. My engie is just unbelievably squishy and it gets annoying.
It surely runs alchemy with 2-2-1
I guess firearms with 3-2-3
And since no kits inventions 2-3-2
Hoelbrack runes? Strenght+energy sigils?
In pve he said using 3/6 knight 3/6 zerk armor and zerk rifle/trinket
For pve i’d use marauder or full zerk
I like playing kitless builds for engineer. But you get some much hate for playing it in pve for some reason. People can’t see that it’s actually a really good way to build. But i guess people are just not open minded
To handle a mesmer with this build is a very simple, 3 step process:
1) see the mesmer
2) turn around
3) GET AWAY FROM THE MESMER
Haha in all seriousness though, this build does not do too well against mesmers. It’s primarily single target and lacks blocks so I’ve found that I’m unable to quickly clear clones and it is difficult to avoid shatters as well. I have found that using Elixer S optimally can really help in those fights, but that is the keyword…OPTIMALLY.
Lots of requests about gear and traits so here goes:
Traits:
Firearms: 2,2,3
Alchemy: 2,2,1
Inventions: 2,3,2
Gear:
4/6 armor pieces are soldier’s (for sustain in 1vX fights, lots of fury from Elixer
All trinkets are Zerker stats
Backpiece and rifle are Zerker as well.
Thanks for the compliments and the interest in this build. Have fun!
Wonderful! I thinking of the viability on sPvP env.
Might try it later and let you know!
Have fun with it! I’ve used it a bit in sPvP and have found that the marauder’s amulet seems to be the way to go. Seems to be best for quick decaps and harass. Have found it difficult to hold points very well in 1vX situations.
Thank you for your reply.
Couple of more questions: what’s your primary focus when you open on someone? I tried out the build with gear variant and it did extremely well, and I suck at the game hard. I used the elixir throw for stability, jump shotted to the target, did rifle 3, then overcharge shot. After that it’s situational, but that opening remained the same for the most part for me.
Also, what runes and sigils were you using? I was using the 7% crit chance with chance of might on crit, to help stack it with hgh(or whichever adds might for elixirs)
And lastly any tips you can provide would be awesome. I’m digging this build and it’s probably what I’m gonna run with. Unfortunately I don’t anyone will let me run it in pve, though.
I’m digging this build and it’s probably what I’m gonna run with. Unfortunately I don’t anyone will let me run it in pve, though.
To be honest, I don’t you should. It’s fine to run whatever you want for the purpose of skirmishing, but when it comes to constructed group content this will fall behind in dps by miles. If you would insist on running something like this for everything, then it would not be fair to subject pugs to a build that does not hold it’s own weight(generally speaking) and should only be used in the presence of good company.
To handle a mesmer with this build is a very simple, 3 step process:
1) see the mesmer
2) turn around
3) GET AWAY FROM THE MESMER
Haha in all seriousness though, this build does not do too well against mesmers. It’s primarily single target and lacks blocks so I’ve found that I’m unable to quickly clear clones and it is difficult to avoid shatters as well. I have found that using Elixer S optimally can really help in those fights, but that is the keyword…OPTIMALLY.
Ive figured it out. We can use your build to take down a mesmer efficiently. Goggles to remove the stealth, Net turret to hold him in place, and elixir S to drop the pain on him. I am liking your kitless engi.
Thank you for your reply.
Couple of more questions: what’s your primary focus when you open on someone? I tried out the build with gear variant and it did extremely well, and I suck at the game hard. I used the elixir throw for stability, jump shotted to the target, did rifle 3, then overcharge shot. After that it’s situational, but that opening remained the same for the most part for me.
Also, what runes and sigils were you using? I was using the 7% crit chance with chance of might on crit, to help stack it with hgh(or whichever adds might for elixirs)
And lastly any tips you can provide would be awesome. I’m digging this build and it’s probably what I’m gonna run with. Unfortunately I don’t anyone will let me run it in pve, though.
Thank you for your interest!
First, as Mnemesis pointed out, this build is good for skirmishing and roaming but for dungeon speed runs, fractals, and other structured group content (for pve) this build will not provide near the dps that other builds provide.
I am using runes of the Hoelbrak but honestly, I think strength runes would be better because of the high amount of condi clears. But any high dps runes will probably do well, no need to break the bank for one build.
weapon sigils that I am currently using are accuracy and force. I have sigils of fire and air on another rifle for a static discharge build but I found that I like accuracy and force for this because I am running 4/6 pieces as soldier’s gear.
When I open up a fight, whether they see me or I see them it is usually the same opening:
toss elixir S for stealth and might
drink elixir B for all the boons and might
toss elixir B for stability
Rifle 4
Rifle 3 (or 5)
Rifle 5 (or 3)
Rifle 2
Drink elixir U for quickness
DPS with rifle auto and avoid damage while you set up your next burst rotation.
First, awesome video as usual. Your previous video inspired me to go Kitless and I haven’t looked back ever since. Thank you, thank you! What are your plans to mod this build when HOT drops? I’ve thought of incorporating a drone or two into the build: Stealth drone for assistance with thieves and mesmers and the purge drone for condi cleanse assistance. Was thinking of Alch, Fire Arms, and Scrapper. Running Rifle obviously, being that I won’t have mecha legs I’ll have to use Traveler Runes but they give boon duration so I’d have a total of 35% boon duration which is pretty nice. What do you think about that?
Thanks Zera!
Honestly, I have not invested any thought into altering the build. I was away the last half of September and first week of October so I missed the chance to tinker during the beta weekend. I think a kitless drone build would be a fun challenge to tackle. I like your thoughts on a potential set up. I guess we’ll be able to experiment all we want in a week. Definitely looking forward to the launch Glad you enjoyed the video!
I have more or less always been kitless as engineer:) I play a HGH build..basically an elixir popping junkie….dual pistols and cond based ofc:)
when running long distance i swap the turret to the heal kit..just for the infinite spped it gives..but once into combat..back to turret for heal:)
Its cumbersome as F to switch to the heal kit and back all the time…but i have not figured out a way to macro the swap thing….IF anyone knows..let me know:)
