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Posted by: MeanCoffeeBean.2073

MeanCoffeeBean.2073

All,
I am going to just lay it all out here for you, and shelve my shame and shattered ego on this. I need help.

I have been playing since release, but bouncing between D/D Ele, Shatter Mes, and my Engy. A couple of months ago I decided to make my engineer my main and stripped down my other 80s of their gear and moved everything over. I have been playing nothing but my engineer since.

At first, I just assumed it was because I was out of practice or something, but I still cannot seem to win a 1v1 against any profession. None. I play mostly WvW with some SPVP thrown in. I read these forums. I try builds out every day. I change up my kits. I am really, really just not getting it.

Here is my current (as of this morning) and exact build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqelcTpAr1axPLseNCbhAyJXE9xqR/4hAA-TFSGwAAOBAJeAAEVidS9noKPorHY2+DSVCCA-w

I only roam in WvW normally, not just because that is my preference, but also because my server doesn’t have blobs or zergs.

I need help. I need build, armor, etc. advice, because clearly I am not doing it right.

Notes:
- I have Quip , so I am going to use Pistol outright. Sometimes I go P/P but usually P/S for the blocks. Actually, this is the only thing I am NOT willing to change.
- I frequently change out Flamethrower for Grenade Kit (and move the points from Juggernaut to Grenadier) as I move around in WvW, because ’nades > all when defending anything from a wall.
- I change Elixir C for Elixir Gun sometimes, but my server faces off against endless hordes of condi-spam thieves and warriors, and I struggle to keep the condition stacks off me.

Problems:
- Bomb Kit is amazing, and I love the damage. No one is dumb enough to stick around for it though, and chasing people leaving little bombs behind me is not working.
- Flamethrower at least hits decently on #2 Blast, but the damage is crap overall and I really only use it for that Blast and the #5 blind.
- Grenades are ever so much fun, but I am terrible, terrible, terrible at aiming them at the running players with their long flight times. Also.. MY FINGERS/WRIST.
- Healing: I want to like the healing turret, but it just doesn’t do enough healing before being cleaved down to justify using over the elixir. I think I am just doing it wrong. I drop it, then I hit it again to get the overcharge it, but before it has spun up the thing is destroyed leaving me with nothing but disappointment.

A Day In My Life:
- Thieves are effectively three or four-shotting me within seconds. By the time I switch to bomb kit and drop that #2 bomb, I am dead. Dodging prolongs the stealth => death timer, but the end-result is the same.
- Warriors hambow me down, and I can’t seem to break the stuns long enough to do anything. No stability.
- Guardians are pushing/pulling/holding me non-stop and around the time I get back off the ground I am getting slammed back into it or going for a nice flight. See: stability
Other Professions: Who are we kidding, there are no other Professions in WvW or SPVP hotjoin.

I have about 240gold to my name, and I will to blow it all if needed to rebuild for WvW roaming. Even in SPVP I am struggling though with the ‘day in my life’ issues I listed above, and that is supposed to be an even playing-field gear-wise. I have become so discouraged that I am debating quitting GW2 at this point.

What are my options here? Any advice is appreciated, and I am too humbled to argue with anyone.

Thanks

Fluttershy – Mesmer
Clarishy – Ranger
Tinkershy – Engineer

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Posted by: CboStL.4965

CboStL.4965

Engi isnt my most proficient class, but I’ll point out what i can.
If using bomb kit, trait for larger explosions.
If using elixirs and traiting 30 pts in that line, take hgh. With your sigils, you’ll have gobs of might stacks.
Imo, the EG and tool kit are better choices than FT (at least for now).
I’d also consider dropping your knights/zerker pieces for rabid, as condis are strong in 1v1. (And pistol/shield is condi focused).
I’d go different runes, too. There are plenty of speed-boosting options available to engis, no need for speed runes.

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Posted by: Nischana.2036

Nischana.2036

http://de.gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqelUUpdr1WxmKseNiaBF6fsxAIyQmlPWhCA-TFSFABuo+DAm/+QPgnKBDe/hEOBABp8DhHAApAUUaE-w

I use this Build here.
It rly helps picking up ingi, and is kinda godlike in 1v1, thiefs will hate you.
The Turrents are very good , they do nice “power” based dmg without need for Power, and will help you control the fights as you can use them as a “save” base everytime you want.
When you get used to this build you will have a easy time beating up ppl even without using the Turrens as dps and only use them for knockback reasons to proc your rune set.
As you get more used to ingi you can change your Build to something like this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqelUUpdr9ZxvLseRCbBNqxEqZI6OWlN+xIEAA-TFSFABuo+DAm/+QPgnKBDe/hEOBABp8DhHAApAUUaE-w

Its still a noob frindly version of the normal ingi Build because elxir gun is very strong.
And when you get used to this Build you switch to the more normal meta condition ingi build with 3 kits.

I am not a “super pro” player but with the first build i can fight the top tier EU Thiefs with allmost no effort. Its insane strong against thiefs and still very good against the most of the other classes.
If you get used to the turrent knockbacks you can easly duel any thief without offensiv use of the turrents, and the perplexy rune makes to build more mobile than its looks like because you can use the knockback from the turrents to add confusion

One thing i learned from ALL my chars, just dont go power dmg if you are not a so good player, condition are way better and allow more fails, if you playing solo roaming in WvW this is even more true because conditions are even better in WvW.

If you want more help picking up this build just text me in Game or something like this.

(edited by Nischana.2036)

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Posted by: ellesee.8297

ellesee.8297

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

It is your build that is the problem my frand! First you have no mobility! That is pretty important in huge open world combat! Runes of Speed aren’t that good! You lose a lot of stats just to get 25% move speed! You have no dodges! You need Vigor and/or Sigil of Energy to survive! If you don’t have dodges, it doesn’t matter how tanky you are! You will die! This is what happens if you don’t dodge!

http://www.twitch.tv/livskis/c/4779065

Bomb Kit is a condi kit in PvP! With your setup even if you land all your bombs, you still won’t deal very much damage! Elixir C isn’t a very good choice! Taking Formula 409 with Elixir C isn’t a good choice either! Elixir C cures all conditions already! As an Engi you will always have trouble with conditions! You can take more condi removal, but Engi has awful condi removal and taking more will severely kitten you offensively and/or defensively! Your best weapon is constant pressure! Engis can lay on the thuper hurt! If they’re playing defensive, they’re not putting hurtful condis on you!

Your healing turret should go like this! Heal > Overcharge > Pick up for shorter cooldown or detonate for bigger heal! If it gets destroyed the second you put it down then you are probably dead anyway because you are in a giant zerg aoe!

Vee Wee recommends that if you want to stay Bomb/FT, go condi! Something like this!
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqelUUpvr1axPLseRSaBNq0AqQIyQulPPhAcAA-TFiHABopFIo9HaTHQRK/I4EAso6PA8AAgSJIpAgZZF-w
or this!
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqelUUpvr1axPLseRSaBNq0AqQIyQulPPhAcAA-T1hHABFp8jgTAAa6BA4BAso6P4u/AUKBJFAMLrA-w
or this if you’re poor!
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqelUUpvr1axPLseRSaBNq0AqQIyQulPPhAcAA-T1hHABUs/QRK/I4EA0meAAeAALq+DUKBJFAMTjA-w

You could also keep most of your gear, and go for a power build! Something like this!
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQFAUlUUpErlcxdLseNCbBNyx0GRuxq85DEgkC-T1RHABFcBAaS5Hc6AAU9n6UCCwDAgk9HIFgYLjA-w
This is a slightly modified version of Hiba’s WvW build! Check out http://www.twitch.tv/hibatheshoopuff to see how he plays it!

Hope that helped! Wahoo! Bye frands!

#1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!
#1 Frandliest person NA!
http://www.twitch.tv/Livskis

(edited by ellesee.8297)

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Posted by: Nischana.2036

Nischana.2036

I like your Build Vee…but i think for a real beginner they could be a bit hard to Pick up.
I would rly recoment elexier Gun for every beginner.
Its just so good, yes some Builds “may” outsubstain you. But with the exlier Gun you have a good spammable pressure and defensiv Button in one weakness is just soo good.
And it gives you movement so that you not extremly need to take the Boots.

And the Poision from 3 is rly easy to hit and posion is kinda need so ppl cant substain themselfs.

And the 5 has a condition removal.

All in all it makes the gun a extrem good weapon for beginner.
I like the Weapons that you did pick with the 10% condi duration will pick them up for my Builds too i think.

My Build after the Turrent will then mostlikely be something like this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqelUUpvrtbxPLseVCbBNqxEqZAqJIyNWlP2gAA-TVSFABEoEEE9AAY6TM1fS4EAAlygg3fAMleI8AAIFAMLrA-w

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Posted by: MeanCoffeeBean.2073

MeanCoffeeBean.2073

Thanks for the feedback so far! I am looking at these builds now.

I am not really attached to bomb/FT. I don’t really care if I have to change up everything at this point other than my pistol.

Actually, I find bombs to be an annoyance when they are delayed to explode and the target has already moved out of the radius. I see what Vee did there though, and that makes a lot more sense with those traits…

Everyone is using the healing turret. How do you guys get anything approaching an actual heal out of it before it is cleaved down? Is it a positioning thing?

Fluttershy – Mesmer
Clarishy – Ranger
Tinkershy – Engineer

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Posted by: Nischana.2036

Nischana.2036

As Vee said “Your healing turret should go like this! Heal > Overcharge > Pick up for shorter cooldown or detonate for bigger heal! If it gets destroyed the second you put it down then you are probably dead anyway because you are in a giant zerg aoe!”

Its only stands around 1 sec before you pick it up or destroy it.

But rember you could allways Build more defensiv, it makes it easyier to play, even if you may not be able to beat some substain builds then you could just run away.

(edited by Nischana.2036)

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Posted by: MeanCoffeeBean.2073

MeanCoffeeBean.2073

Okay, so after pouring over the skill builder, and reading and re-reading these posts, would something like this be viable? The seemingly random trinkets are because this is the best I can do with my available cash and laurels.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqelUUpdrlcxPLseRSaBNq0AqQIyQulPPhAcAA-TlSEABIoEUPdAAYiLiHAQWKP4TLQDnAgi3fAH1fCSJGA-w

It’s still condi, but has the EG for the heal, stun break, and poison. I dumped flamethrower (which I swapped around anyway) for the Tool Kit.

After loading up my traits like Vee Wee posted and playing with the bombs, there was a noticeable improvement in their viability for me.

Thoughts?

Fluttershy – Mesmer
Clarishy – Ranger
Tinkershy – Engineer

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Posted by: ArrDee.2573

ArrDee.2573

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

That is a good build in PvP and roaming WvW! Just make sure that you invest in some Koi Cakes and other forms of condition duration! Many people run Hoelbrak Runes and/or Lemongrass Poultry Soup! It really cripples your overall damage if your conditions have -60% duration!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

#1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!
#1 Frandliest person NA!
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Posted by: CboStL.4965

CboStL.4965

Okay, so after pouring over the skill builder, and reading and re-reading these posts, would something like this be viable? The seemingly random trinkets are because this is the best I can do with my available cash and laurels.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqelUUpdrlcxPLseRSaBNq0AqQIyQulPPhAcAA-TlSEABIoEUPdAAYiLiHAQWKP4TLQDnAgi3fAH1fCSJGA-w

It’s still condi, but has the EG for the heal, stun break, and poison. I dumped flamethrower (which I swapped around anyway) for the Tool Kit.

After loading up my traits like Vee Wee posted and playing with the bombs, there was a noticeable improvement in their viability for me.

Thoughts?

Couple changes you could consider.
You could Swap bomb recharge with accelerant packed turrets since you’re using the turret heal. Besides the damage, it gives you access to another interrupt (for your runes), and provides a lil extra cc.
You could also swap pistol recharge for pistol range. Helps vs. the kiters/runners.

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Posted by: Nischana.2036

Nischana.2036

jea would take accelerant packed turrents for sure.
Just Heal everytime this way when you are near a enemy 6>6 (be quick) > f1.