Guild Wars 2

Hi!

I want to toss some flames on my opponents. What I wish from this build:

• Use flametrower(FT) and the Juggernaut-trait. Id like to be able to stay in flamethrower as much as possible.
• Be able to perform nicely in all dungeons and up to T3 fractals.

I am looking forward to your advice

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Flamethrower
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Juggernaut

This is what I use in fractals up to tier 4 http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASlUUh2tY5VwWLQ+FL3FF4C+gBA9qH7zuYB1D5AA-TBCEABCqE0u9BM4CAolyPuXYAT1f6THAAPAARBkZA-e

She runs elixirs rather than mortar/grenade/bomb kit so you don’t have to worry about juggling multiple kits to maximise DPS: just use the hammer and elixir gun when you need the utility and otherwise stay in flamethrower mode for damage.

Note that this build is a lot tankier than others since it runs celestial gear – if you prefer something more fragile then feel free to adjust gear accordingly, and maybe swap adaptive armour for applied force.

I am the opinion that you can play how you want as long as you don’t slow down your party too much. But that is the case in a build that uses the FT for DPS.

You should let go of the DPS FT idea because there are no good builds that uses the FT as a main weapon.

If you run this build you will maybe survive one or 2 more attacks that would kill a normal DPS player but this means nothing if you don’t do a minimum DMG. You will need to be carried in every fractal/dungeon and you will not be allowed to do Fractal CM 100 (I guarantee you that you will get kicked.)

A heal druid will do equal or more damage than you… and he heals the party.

Don’t blame me for telling the truth. Blame the developers.

Yeah, as it stands, FT’s damage is subpar. You’re better off running power bomber — takes less effort and will do more damage.

FT is a great weapon. In theory. In reality, it’s pretty kitten.

The FT build is more a solo build as it has so much personal buffing, that’s where it makes up for what it lacks. At least 60% quickness uptime, 20+ might stacks easily, pretty much perma fury, just really nice in a solo setting. But, if you have buffs coming from others then it falls behind as the benefit of the personal buffs is overwritten.

Also, the new FT broke Juggernaut.
You now go FT only for the condi damages, nothing else.

This is a PURITY OF PURPOSE problem :
- if you are power you don’t take anymore FT
- if you are condi you may take FT
- then you always prefer Incendiary Powder
- so one of our great master trait is useless

So, Juggernaut should be unrelated to FT.

Jerus.4350:

The FT build is more a solo build as it has so much personal buffing, that’s where it makes up for what it lacks. At least 60% quickness uptime, 20+ might stacks easily, pretty much perma fury, just really nice in a solo setting. But, if you have buffs coming from others then it falls behind as the benefit of the personal buffs is overwritten.

If it’s the case that your team can provide you with all the buffage that would max you out for might and crit chance, then it’s very easy to build yourself into other beneficial traits to get the most out of what FT would offer. In fact, my build changes by two traits being flipped … which makes it even MORE DPS in my team than how I run it solo, assuming might and crit chance maxed

Juggernaut to Incendary Powder
HGH to Iron Blooded

NineLives.8725:

Also, the new FT broke Juggernaut.
You now go FT only for the condi damages, nothing else.

This is a PURITY OF PURPOSE problem :
- if you are power you don’t take anymore FT
- if you are condi you may take FT
- then you always prefer Incendiary Powder
- so one of our great master trait is useless

So, Juggernaut should be unrelated to FT.

That thinking is wrong; the changes actually makes the choice between Juggernaut and Incendiary Powder much more meaningful and therefore make build diversity a much more important consideration; something that is welcomed in this game. It’s no longer a “obviously you take Juggernaut” answer. Choice of two good traits, each with different strengths is a REALLY good thing to have.

Yes, you can, the point is just that other builds will do far more damage when buffed by outside sources. The strength of the build is that it self buffs so well it makes up for it’s lack of base damage.

That same strength of the build exists when those buffs come from you or from your team. It’s was clear the OP wants to use FT. Anyways, I just think there is too little context being provided when people make points about how little damage FT does compared to higher damage options … I’m still waiting to see someone provide actual data what that damage difference actually is when they just say it’s true, especially since it’s been given much more burning potential.

I was able to get 27k with raid buffs using a FT variation of Xyonon’s “plebineer” build. But, that’s compared to the 30k with grenades and 32-34k with a full kit setup (put range as there are easy and hard rotations).

Power I hit 23k, but that’s compared to ~30k on bomb.

So yes FT isn’t terrible, I’m just saying that the situation where FT builds excell in is personal buffing that makes up for that lower base damage, which it does have.

Anet just kittend the FT-Hammer-power build. Arguing that it is now “also useful with a condi build”, still doesn’t fix the fact that it completely broke for power due to killing the dmg on flame blast.

Thanks for advice. I am not however looking for a build that is meant for raids or the top end content. What I want is a build to get through fractals 1-50 and all dungeons. Open world too.

This is what I have come up with:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASlcThqrY5VwWLQ+FL3FF9qH75O4C+gBg4B9D5AA-TBSDwAJeAgSwFXAgnKxiq84l6Pg0BAwEEv9HIFwTbBA-e

Drink booze, grill enemies with flamer. Boons keep coming from everywhere and enemies melt fast : )

Didn’t mean to derail, just wanted to point out that FT builds give great returns in more solo settings and a general rule of thumb is that the better your group is the worse the build is.

Anyways, just keep that in mind, because in a situation like perhaps having a PS warrior in group then you might not need certain elements of the build (in this case might).

I like the differences you have compared to what I do in that you have a ton of protection up time which is great and should make things nice and easy, but I go with Perfectly weighted as dropping the kit to hit an Electro-whirl and/or Thunderclap is well worth it and you can hop right back into FT so you don’t lose much on juggernaut. Also the combo of Invigorating Speed + Heavy Armor Exploit has always been nice for perma Vigor. One thing though is your Elite, I love me some Elixir X for the fun of it, but I do find Mortar the better option. Elixir Shell is an elixir meaning free might as well as a water field to combo, plus you get a blind field with Mortar Kit. On that note though don’t forget you can ‘cheat’ HGH by swapping out skills to prebuff, EG itself has 6 stacks of HGH might in just a couple seconds.

Also, I almost always have might topped out if I’m on top of blasting my napalm, so you don’t really need Elixir H, instead I use Healing Turret for obvious reasons.

Anyways, just a few thoughts.