Guild Wars 2

Despite everyone stating the engineer’s lack of anything… It is still by far my favorite profession… Nothing comes close in terms of fun, not to mention I do incredibly well with it…

I don’t use the elixer build that seems to be all the rage, although I did try and it was too straight forward. I pack 2 kits, and 2 pistols 99% of the time, and usually don’t have any problems at all as far as getting my kills (Except thieves, who can get away from me easily with the SB skill(No, I am not bashing them. They deserve a good escape skill…)) But on a typical day, I use the same build for PvE/sPvP/WvW, although I’m still getting the hang of WvW. PvE is a bit more difficult for my build, but it is still fun. sPvP… I don’t think I have run in to another profession that can REGULARLY take me out unless it is 3+v1. WvW, well, I don’t know how I do there, but on a typical fort/tower takeover, I net 10+ bags. I’m not indestructible by any means, and I have taken my fair share of deaths, albeit far less now than when I started. And I’m not even a pro at pvp…

TL;DR The engineer has the ability to ready for near any situation that comes up. You just have to work a little harder than most classes, which to me, is a bonus. I don’t get bored. And working a little harder allows me to play multiple roles WELL at once.

I feel the same way, I feel like I play my engineer better than anything else

Exactly… I have played with multiple classes (not to 80, but in spvp and pve) and they always feel like something is missing… It is a mental nerf to me… It doesn’t feel right.

My lvl 15 masterwork guardian does more heals than my lvl 80 exotic engineer…i cry a little inside…and survives longer.

Guardian probably needs the heals because they are in a more uncontrolled melee environment than an engi… Usually if I am about to enter a situation like that, I have most of the mobs/players blind or crippled or stunned before they can do too much real damage to me in MOST cases, not all. Engi requires a lot more planning to be successful than a guardian.

I forgot to mention… I run around with 1k toughness, and like 4 healing power… xD A well controlled environment is key… Make the environment controlled.

I can’t say that I don’t use Elixirs, but I do think I have an abnormal build.
Engies are very versatile and have decent base stats. It is SUCH an improvement from the frustration of working on an ele build. I switch to my engi for a breath of fresh air and to kick some butt. (Edited: Apparently when it changes a bad word to “kitten” it leaves off the punctuation.) I love the bomb kit and the shield. Having solid stats and a super-fun play style make engi one of the best classes IMHO.

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

I forgot to mention… I run around with 1k toughness, and like 4 healing power… xD A well controlled environment is key… Make the environment controlled.

No such thing in WvW…my guardian can survive a very long time with 3 80 thieves on it…the engy gets steam rolled even playing smart.

Sororita.3465:

My lvl 15 masterwork guardian does more heals than my lvl 80 exotic engineer…i cry a little inside…and survives longer.

A guardian specializes in support, an engineer does not, but an engineer can do a little bit of everything. A jack of all trades is just that. A jack, not a king. I’ve killed / made guardians run from my engineer before. so hah.

Though…. I can’t tell if it was because of my deadliness…. or my really annoying pistol…hmmmmm

I’m not knocking Elixirs at all. They are quite handy, but I try not to be too dependent on them. But yea, I totally agree on all your points… People just knock us so often because they can’t quite figure us out. Not that I’m complaining. I like being the rare breed… And an underestimated one at that. :p

Wuffles.5319:

Sororita.3465:

My lvl 15 masterwork guardian does more heals than my lvl 80 exotic engineer…i cry a little inside…and survives longer.

A guardian specializes in support, an engineer does not, but an engineer can do a little bit of everything. A jack of all trades is just that. A jack, not a king. I’ve killed / made guardians run from my engineer before. so hah.

Though…. I can’t tell if it was because of my deadliness…. or my really annoying pistol…hmmmmm

I have also destroyed many of guardians, bunkers, dps, whatever. I don’t stay still, I time when I do what (Although still working on mastering that…) Although I haven’t quite had an issue with them running away… I guess tunnel vision is increased when you wear so much heavy steel. xD

Sororita.3465:

No such thing in WvW…my guardian can survive a very long time with 3 80 thieves on it…the engy gets steam rolled even playing smart.

An engi shouldn’t be able to handle 3 thieves unless it’s a tank build. Sounds kinda like you are comparing different build types.

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

Wuffles.5319:

Sororita.3465:

My lvl 15 masterwork guardian does more heals than my lvl 80 exotic engineer…i cry a little inside…and survives longer.

A guardian specializes in support, an engineer does not, but an engineer can do a little bit of everything. A jack of all trades is just that. A jack, not a king. I’ve killed / made guardians run from my engineer before. so hah.

Though…. I can’t tell if it was because of my deadliness…. or my really annoying pistol…hmmmmm

I have also destroyed many of guardians, bunkers, dps, whatever. I don’t stay still, I time when I do what (Although still working on mastering that…) Although I haven’t quite had an issue with them running away… I guess tunnel vision is increased when you wear so much heavy steel. xD

Everyone runs from me!!! Agh, so i just magnet them and smash them in the face with some confusion. Usually cures that right up. But still, iunno why they do it. Chickens.

Sororita.3465:

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

I forgot to mention… I run around with 1k toughness, and like 4 healing power… xD A well controlled environment is key… Make the environment controlled.

No such thing in WvW…my guardian can survive a very long time with 3 80 thieves on it…the engy gets steam rolled even playing smart.

First… can I merge all my post? lol…

And how is there no such thing as forcing a more ideal environment? 3 thieves will probably take me out also, but I will take at least 2 with me… Thieves aren’t immune to conditions and control… They can wipe it, but I can bring back the control in seconds. But as wuffles stated; Guardians are meant for support, so of course you would survive longer, they are also a heavy armor class, as opposed to medium.

Wuffles.5319:

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

Wuffles.5319:

Sororita.3465:

My lvl 15 masterwork guardian does more heals than my lvl 80 exotic engineer…i cry a little inside…and survives longer.

A guardian specializes in support, an engineer does not, but an engineer can do a little bit of everything. A jack of all trades is just that. A jack, not a king. I’ve killed / made guardians run from my engineer before. so hah.

Though…. I can’t tell if it was because of my deadliness…. or my really annoying pistol…hmmmmm

I have also destroyed many of guardians, bunkers, dps, whatever. I don’t stay still, I time when I do what (Although still working on mastering that…) Although I haven’t quite had an issue with them running away… I guess tunnel vision is increased when you wear so much heavy steel. xD

Everyone runs from me!!! Agh, so i just magnet them and smash them in the face with some confusion. Usually cures that right up. But still, iunno why they do it. Chickens.

lol, I prefer to throw my wrench at them to “test the distance”, as it has a nice cripple effect. Followed by a glue shot, since they will probably want to wipe that cripple off, THEN magnet after I have dumped a box of nails. Not many people have been able to get away from me with that, although it may be a bit overkill, but if they want to run away, they probably won’t be doing much damage to me Thieves are my biggest issue… I can’t find a counter for their SB shadowstep, at which point I just /threaten :p

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

People just knock us so often because they can’t quite figure us out. Not that I’m complaining. I like being the rare breed… And an underestimated one at that. :p

Me, too! I made an elementalist that was so completely different from everyone else’s because I couldn’t stand having the same build. lol.
Then I got started on my engineer and, honestly, it might one day become my main. I didn’t expect to love it so much because people always seem to give up on the engineer class. I kick kitten in sPvP and it is not easy to take a point from me. Do not approach me alone unless you want to die in a fiery explosion! =P

<—- Charr…

Would you please refrain from kicking kittens in my thread? :p

I tried ele, but it isn’t as fun when my gf mains an ele. So instead I control the mobs and she nukes it. xD (She doesn’t do pvp :c ) I have however teamed up with a bunker engi, and oh my… The results were… astonishing. We managed to take the entire opposing team… So many bombs, turrets, etc… They then proceeded to tell us how we were cheating…

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

Hahahahaha!

Yeah, I had originally reserved engi for my bf, but he didn’t like it. His class choice is heavily dependent on the weapons they have and he didn’t like any of the options for engi. He prefers melee. So now I have an ele and an engi that I love and he jokes that I’m gonna get carpal tunnel. XD
I’m the opposite of your gf, though. I only PvP. lol. I just have no patience for leveling. If it was only to level 20, I’d do it, but 80? Ugh. I only leveled my Priest in WoW because once you got to level 10 (ish?) you could level entirely through PvP. Albeit, slowly.

I’m close to being a bunker, but mostly it’s just a balanced build: 3k attack; 3k toughness; 24k health. I use Pistol/Shield and the Bomb Kit.
What’s your build like?

I suppose there are enough threads like this already.

My build is a spin off of the Demented engineer build posted here a while back… Same skills, different traits and gear. *Don’t want to get too in-depth on the build publicly, or they might “fix” it :p

Hey PhelanDisturbed,

Do you actually leave in Phelan?

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

Wuffles.5319:

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

Wuffles.5319:

Sororita.3465:

My lvl 15 masterwork guardian does more heals than my lvl 80 exotic engineer…i cry a little inside…and survives longer.

A guardian specializes in support, an engineer does not, but an engineer can do a little bit of everything. A jack of all trades is just that. A jack, not a king. I’ve killed / made guardians run from my engineer before. so hah.

Though…. I can’t tell if it was because of my deadliness…. or my really annoying pistol…hmmmmm

I have also destroyed many of guardians, bunkers, dps, whatever. I don’t stay still, I time when I do what (Although still working on mastering that…) Although I haven’t quite had an issue with them running away… I guess tunnel vision is increased when you wear so much heavy steel. xD

Everyone runs from me!!! Agh, so i just magnet them and smash them in the face with some confusion. Usually cures that right up. But still, iunno why they do it. Chickens.

lol, I prefer to throw my wrench at them to “test the distance”, as it has a nice cripple effect. Followed by a glue shot, since they will probably want to wipe that cripple off, THEN magnet after I have dumped a box of nails. Not many people have been able to get away from me with that, although it may be a bit overkill, but if they want to run away, they probably won’t be doing much damage to me Thieves are my biggest issue… I can’t find a counter for their SB shadowstep, at which point I just /threaten :p

Actually, I don’t think a thief one on one has ever killed me :x I can always get away and counter them. Especially when they stealth and i just aoe everything, they appear dead when stealth wears off oh the joys. Then they come back with two more thieves and then of course I’ll die, but not without a fight.

Khrimace, Nope… No idea where that is… afaik Phelan translates in to wolf… lol.

Wuffles, yep, 1v1 a thief is dead MOST OF THE TIME… I’ve died to a few good ones… IF they don’t run away.

sapphyredragon.6437:

Sororita.3465:

No such thing in WvW…my guardian can survive a very long time with 3 80 thieves on it…the engy gets steam rolled even playing smart.

An engi shouldn’t be able to handle 3 thieves unless it’s a tank build. Sounds kinda like you are comparing different build types.

No…

It sounds like she was stating something very simple. Her lvl 15 Guardian that doesn’t even have a build yet is able to survive with it’s weapon set skills, while her well-played lvl 80 Engineer is not.

Which I can agree to.

If I take my Engineer out in a few builds I don’t like, I get the results I want. But it isn’t fun.

If I take my Guardian out (who is now in the 60s) in any build, I have fun and typically the results I want.

Some professions are able to specialize, without giving up much else. The Engineer is not one of those professions. Assuming because the Engineer can “swap” to do so much… but the base numbers seem off, when compared to the other professions.

And who says a Guardian is support and an Engineer is not? You need to play them both again, and look at the options. They are both support, damage, and control. Just one can do all three a weebit better. And hint: it is not the Engineer (unless doing all 3 weakly at once counts as better).

That is exactly the point we disagree on. If that were solid fact guardians would almost always destroy me, however it’s the other way around in my experience. And unless you want to call the 50+ guardians lives I’ve claimed all bad players that argument is moot… I know I’m not the best, so if a mostly pvp noob is taking out heavy Armor types on such a frequent basis, the argument that engineers suck has not a leg to stand on.

I’m not stating it is fact engineers are better either, but trying to express they have the potential to be just as good as anything else.

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

That is exactly the point we disagree on. If that were solid fact guardians would almost always destroy me, however it’s the other way around in my experience. And unless you want to call the 50+ guardians lives I’ve claimed all bad players that argument is moot… I know I’m not the best, so if a mostly pvp noob is taking out heavy Armor types on such a frequent basis, the argument that engineers suck has not a leg to stand on.

I never said Engineers suck, nor implied it.

I implied that Engineers are lacking when compared to other professions, when matching up for similar builds. Like tanky, DPS, etc.

I never compared my observations from the one-sided perspective of “oh, I fought them and it was ok, so we must all be ok since I’m so good”. That isn’t objective.

What is objective is when people play multiple professions, and notice that they (the same player) consistently does better as other professions.

So if I kill 50 Guardians on my Engineer, grats to me. But what if I’m killing 100 Engineers (if I can find them) on my Guardian? Can I make the giant leap of logic that my skill level is the same on both professions and the Guardian (or Ele, or Necro, or etc) is then better suited? No.

I’m just 1 opinion of observations.

But when an entire group gravitates toward the same assumptions, then yes.

Engineers are not many.

Guardians are.

So yes, the variety of Guardians means you’ll come across many with… questionable stats. Simply so many people play one. And if in WvW, you’ll come across many that aren’t even near your level. So if you are killing level 20 new players, that isn’t exactly a telltale sign.

But a tanky Guardian vs a tanky Engineer is just no contest. The Guardian does more damage as a tanky spec. And if you flip it to pure DPS, the Guardian has more survivability than the DPS Engineer.

I’m all for the Engineer. It is more fun. But I play my alts when I feel like being more…. suited for the situation. I hope I make sense.

That sir, was a far more intelligent response than I could have hoped for. However my debate will continue with this; why am I able to tear people up as an engineer with a tweaked build, but if I was to roll an elementalist or a warrior I wouldn’t be able to beat my own shadow using a self made or meta build? I’ve tried others but none as effective as my current engineer.

I think we have at least a couple builds that are fantastic in terms of DPS, but I’d agree that I think our Bunker builds are a bit lacking because our overall survival is a bit lower then where I think it should be.

When it comes to PvE if they can fix the condition stacking issues then we’d actually be right up there with Warriors in terms of DPS.