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Posted by: Eliteseraph.4970

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Ok, so I’ve been playing engineer for a couple weeks now. I clearly understand that there’s a LOT that I still have to learn about the class. But something I’m not understanding is sPVP.

Granted, I know I’m on the bottom end of the spectrum right now, since there are many people who have been playing for a long time. But what I don’t get is when I’m dropping my bombs on people, and landing hits wearing berserker gear, but I see enemy health hardly moving. But when players do the same thing to me, my health drops SUPER fast.

What am I missing? If I’m specced for full power, why am I hitting like a wet noddle when my hits land?

The other thing I’ve noticed about engineer is that unlike other classes, it seems like our most powerful abilities(bombs and nades), have to be manually targetted, while other classes can just tab target and roll their face on the keys for attacks. I know this is a skill issue, but it seems to me like I have to work super hard to achieve the same results as other classes. Am I off base here? Is this just a noob mistake because I haven’t fully mastered the class?

Anyway….I like the idea of the engineer, but right now I’m extremely frustrated with it. I think I need to go watch some crazy pvp videos, or engis soloing dungeons or something…..

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Posted by: Lert.6287

Lert.6287

First: Watching engineer PvEing will only decrease your skills, not increase. It’s completely different aspect of the game. Soloing duneon is basically only avoiding attacks which are predictable – good luck doing that on PvP/WvW with such success.

Another thing: Maybe these other engineers were using condition builds which are superior to direct damage.
With direct damage granades enemy’s HP is going down quickly, but other things are involved in that, such as build, might and fury, correct runes and sigils.
Direct damage bombs are not really viable for sPvP. Spamming #1 won’t bring success.
For now it’s really "L2P’ issue (or rather time consuming to start doing well). Give it a little time, play around with builds, soon enough you will start doing better.

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Posted by: oxtred.7658

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Yeah, because pvp isn’t about avoiding predictable attacks at all. Anyway, berserker in pvp is rather weak for an engineer, try a celestial/ condi build. I know my bombs hit for about 8k in pve, but that’s a full offensive spec, 3-4 in berserker gear is not that bad in pvp.

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Posted by: Lert.6287

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Yeah, because pvp isn’t about avoiding predictable attacks at all. Anyway, berserker in pvp is rather weak for an engineer, try a celestial/ condi build. I know my bombs hit for about 8k in pve, but that’s a full offensive spec, 3-4 in berserker gear is not that bad in pvp.

I’m sure PvP is all like “K, this enemy is 50% now, he will transform to stage 2, start using completely different skills, much more powerful and more CC”.
Guess we can all agree here it is much harder to avoid attack from actual player with brain than it is from NPC in dungeon one has done hundred times.

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Posted by: oxtred.7658

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i’ve killed hambow warriors hundred times. “Look, he’s enraging, better dodge that huge cc!” " ok, he’s at 75% health, hambow starts casting signet of rage" " stunbreaked out of hammer 4, now back to mindless dps" " 25% health, burst" Yup, soloing lupi is harder than killing most pvp players. Fortunately, pvp isn’t about 1v1 and requires situation awareness. But don’t think all pvers are mindless spammer without any knowledge about the game. In faact, most top pve players are better than average at pvp.

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Posted by: ellesee.8297

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Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

Your first problem is using Bombs with Berserker gear! Sure the bomb auto can hit hard, but PvP is not just about hitting hard! Bomb Kit is a very condi oriented kit! Power builds for Engi in general aren’t that great! Power bomb is not a good power build!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

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I was thinking more along the lines of sPVP and WvW videos for learning. The solo PVE vids would be for inspiration for what the class can potentially accomplish, and restore some of my faith in engineers. I’m a fan of all aspects of the game, not just one.

I switched up my sPVP build to focus on crit/condition damage. I did a little bit better over the last 10 games, but there are still players that feel like I’m fighting a brick wall, and they hit like a truck. With no exaggeration for effect, I’m landing hits on them, but their health isn’t hardly moving. And when they hit me, large chunks of my health drop.

Is there a REALLY good set of instructional vids somewhere? I’ve been watching Wolfineer, but mostly that’s WvW. I’m hoping for some good sPVP vids that really break down what to do in various situations, and what builds are good for what environments.

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Posted by: ArrDee.2573

ArrDee.2573

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

First tell us your build! Builds are thuper important! Unlike PvE where you can run anything you want, your build can make or break your PvP experience! Check out these Twitch pages for builds and to watch the builds in action! http://twitch.tv/hibatheshoopuff http://twitch.tv/ostricheggs http://twitch.tv/Livskis http://twitch.tv/chaithh

There are a lot of tanky sustain builds in PvP with loads of CC! This is the meta right now and has been for the last year or so! And there is no change in sight so you should really jump on that train! First you need Backpack Regenerator! This is the Engineer sustain trait and all Engineers who enjoy surviving for a long time should take this trait! Yes it’s better than Protection Injection!

You also need to counter the enemy sustain! Sustain is why you think the enemy’s health isn’t moving! Poison reduces healing by 1/3! If you see a Staff Ele or D/D Ele or Warrior or Guardian or Engineer or anyone who has high passive regen, poison them! If you are not running both Grenade Kit and Pistol, take Sigil of Doom! Poison also works on downed people! Anyone who is reviving them will have their revive speed reduced by 1/3! Cleaving downed people is very important in PvP!

You also need to dodge! You say when they hit you, large chunks of your health drops! You need to dodge the really powerful attacks! This just takes practice! Take Invigorating Speed in the alchemy line for more dodges! Or take Energy Sigil! Or use both! There isn’t a single viable PvP build out there for any class that doesn’t trait for Vigor and/or use an Energy Sigil!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

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Posted by: Eliteseraph.4970

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I don’t have a build. Why do you think I’m asking all these questions?

You say dodge the big attacks. What are the big attacks or combos I should watch out for?

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Posted by: ArrDee.2573

ArrDee.2573

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

Well you seem very interested in the Bomb Kit my frand! So here is a sample build with Bomb Kit!

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqelUUpdrlcxPLseRSaBNq0AqQIyQulPPhAcAA-TJRHwAV2fIwDAIZZAAnAAA

As for what to dodge, that depends on who you are facing! You must learn all the classes to know how to beat them! Knowledge is power my frand! But generally you’ll want to dodge the really hard hitting attacks like Eviscerate! You’ll also want to dodge attacks that stun you or immoblize you like Earthshaker or Pin Down! Make sure you learn these animations of these attacks so you know what you’re dodging! As you get better, you’ll be able to somewhat predict when other people will try to use these attacks!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

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