Guild Wars 2

Hi!

Before most readers, get mislead by the title, its not abaut balance.
Atleast not abaut, combat balance. It abaut justice!!!!

In the past months i struggled to select a class i like and stick to it. But it only made me stop playing the game, and yet, still i came back after a half year, but still get to the same decisions….
I think the most terrible thing (besides engineers lack of “real ranged options besides granades”) are the design of kits.

A lot of players love them, and they are right as are the ones that hate them.
They are a good idea, but are implemented wrong.
I understand the concept of them, and my guess is, that it was implemented in this way only because of the lack of time.

To be clear, i dont think the devs wanted to take away, ONE of the MOST important aspects of the game from engineers. “The personal customization.”
My point is: While others can switch there weapon “skins and models” constantly even get (multiple) legendary, Engineers are forced to use kits, that can not change.
The real problem is, most engineers (if want to be viable) are forced to use them and swap them constantly, unlike other classes, that actually do use those weapons (and those skins) they obtained with hard work.

I understand , that many like (for example) the flamethrower, but i am getting more and more sure, many dont. No i go even further, there might be a LOT of players, who dont play engineer for this single reson.

For solution i wont repeat that 189000 posts that alredy exist on this “simple topic” Anet PLS read them, and heed them alredy. Atleast reply to the engineer community, that is getting destroyed by these “simple things” (lets not even mention hobo sack).

As more and more i progress in the game and read more and more on the feedback of the community, i keep feeling, that the lack of “personal customization” is what kills the game mostly. As i well explain why and how on my other topic on general.. This is a minor problem compared to the whole thing, and if something “minor” as this cant be “fixed” then the game is seriously doomed for me. Whitch is sad, since i waited 5 years for it, not to mention the 2 additional copy it costed me, and the another year wait time (waiting to be made whole after release).
How could i possibly want Guild Halls and major things like that, if i cant even get past the character select, because “i am out of options” in seconds?

I am not sure how many ppl you have working on this game, but you need a LOT more seriously and asap. Things progress REALLY slow, and many palyers dont have the patience.
I hope this does not sound as QQ ing. I only ment it for a “hey look, there are things like this” topic.
(And i hope you exuse my terrible english in advance)

If we didn’t have our hobo sacks nobody would recognize us as Engineers… although I do agree that they could be better designed, cosmetically.

I’m a big customization freak, and this has never really bothered me, to be honest.

I can just Quote:

ColinJohanson.2394:

It’s something we’re absolutely aware of and want to address in the future, one of my main characters is an engineer so I feel ya on this one. My poor quaggan backpack is visible like 2% of the time I play as I kit swap, never mind my weapon skins.

We’re currently focusing our engineering (programmers, not guys with net guns) resources that could work on solutions to issues like kits/skins on major systems that address issues higher priority and wider reaching like lag in large battles, LFG, custom arenas, spectator mode and so on but this issue is absolutely on our radar.

As always, please post your ideas of what you’d like to see solution wise, we love to see the fun ideas y’all come up with too!

found here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/Problems-with-Engineers-and-Legendaries/page/3#post1824137

I love the backpack. I was so jealous that I couldn’t transmute one for my thief that I ended up rerolling an Engineer just for the coolest looking backpack in the game. It’s humble, it’s not some ridiculously bright magical twinkling dragon wing or tentacle, and that’s why I like it. It would be cool to see some variations or customisation options for the kits though. I’d love an elixir kit with bubbling green stuff visuals, or a flamethrower kit with liquid magma visibly bubbling away. A tool kit that uses a sledge hammer instead of a wrench, or even an option to customise and dye the back packs.

I’d even like to see my helmet change with my kit as well. So a Flamer or Elixir gun kit would equip a gas mask, a tool kit would have a construction helmet and a grenadier or bombadier would have a set of noise cancelling earmuffs or something.

Elthurien.8356:

I’d even like to see my helmet change with my kit as well. So a Flamer or Elixir gun kit would equip a gas mask, a tool kit would have a construction helmet and a grenadier or bombadier would have a set of noise cancelling earmuffs or something.

…no thanks. I want kits to NOT have to override our equipment, not override more.

Especially not with head gear, which is 90% terrible in every game.

Elthurien.8356:

I love the backpack. I was so jealous that I couldn’t transmute one for my thief that I ended up rerolling an Engineer just for the coolest looking backpack in the game.

You can transmute the starting Engi starting one and wear it on any class! I have done it Best backpack in the game (It’s an actual backpack! How else do your characters hold all that loot! haha)

Yes, the best…FOR YOU. While others refuse to paly the class because of it.

Seriously just make an option to turn it off, and if you like it so moch dont turn it of…and for GOD SAKE LET THE OTHERS WHO DONT, turn it of.

Its not like its FORCED on you, to turn it of. -_- Why can ppl ONLY think we want it to be totally gone, instead of realizign, we just want to have a choice!!!!!!!
(actually, its your thing that is forced on us right now…what would you say if we would force aur kitten on you?)

I started engineer again…(only got to 23 last time). Warrior feels boring, and i simply cant take it….every second character i meet is a warrior….

But i deleted it again after like 20 levels…I no i just god oh god cant take kits. Why on earth they are like this? What the hell is the point of weapon skins if engineers cant use any sort of kitten ed weapon besides rifle shield and pistol?
The problem isnt even that…ok they can only use those…but why are they forced to swap to kits then contantly? There is no point of having “main” weapons.

It so kitten ED UNFAIR !!! Enginers should have the same ammount of skins on weapons, that other classes have for Gs, Hammer, Mace , Swords and so on…
Also there is no point to legendary if you constantly switch to kits anyway…..I am so sick of this….I alredy start to think of uninstall alredy….came back after a half year, but cant pick a decent class to play with again……

Nekroseth.5186:

I started engineer again…(only got to 23 last time). Warrior feels boring, and i simply cant take it….every second character i meet is a warrior….

But i deleted it again after like 20 levels…I no i just god oh god cant take kits. Why on earth they are like this? What the hell is the point of weapon skins if engineers cant use any sort of kitten ed weapon besides rifle shield and pistol?
The problem isnt even that…ok they can only use those…but why are they forced to swap to kits then contantly? There is no point of having “main” weapons.

It so kitten ED UNFAIR !!! Enginers should have the same ammount of skins on weapons, that other classes have for Gs, Hammer, Mace , Swords and so on…
Also there is no point to legendary if you constantly switch to kits anyway…..I am so sick of this….I alredy start to think of uninstall alredy….came back after a half year, but cant pick a decent class to play with again……

Dude. Relax.

They’ve already stated they’re working on a solution to allow hiding kit backpacks. They’ve also said they want to come up with ways to better personalize kit skins and give them diversity. The problem is: this is not a game-breaking issue. This is a cosmetic thing that affects 1 class in the game. It’s just not a high priority. This past patch they took the time to make gadgets viable. I’d say they’re about where they should be, now. There’s still the issue of turrets. Should cosmetic details like this take precedence to balance fixes?

Also, about legendary weapons: there are plenty of builds out there that utilize the pistol, rifle, and shield as main damage options. You don’t have to use kits, and you can easily complete every dungeon and fractal in the game without them.

They did actually state it? O.o If so,could you post a link? This is seriously the only thing keeping me from playing an Engi >_<

Up until about a week ago when they put that aetherblade armor skin set on the gem shop there wasn’t a single set of medium armor skins in the entire game that actually looked engineer-themed. (Hell, there aren’t even many that look ranger-themed. Whoever designed the medium armor skins seems to have assumed they’d all be worn by thieves.)

I like the backpacks because they are the only thing my character wears that actually makes me look like an engineer.

Stice.5204:

Up until about a week ago when they put that aetherblade armor skin set on the gem shop there wasn’t a single set of medium armor skins in the entire game that actually looked engineer-themed. (Hell, there aren’t even many that look ranger-themed. Whoever designed the medium armor skins seems to have assumed they’d all be worn by thieves.)

I like the backpacks because they are the only thing my character wears that actually makes me look like an engineer.

Who ever designs the medium armor needs sacked.
There’s not one plain leather chest piece.
There’s no lack of amazing armor designs for leather armor out there.
The design team were very lazy for medium armor.

Yobculture.5786:

If we didn’t have our hobo sacks nobody would recognize us as Engineers… although I do agree that they could be better designed, cosmetically.

Brew Pinch.5731:

Elthurien.8356:

I love the backpack. I was so jealous that I couldn’t transmute one for my thief that I ended up rerolling an Engineer just for the coolest looking backpack in the game.

You can transmute the starting Engi starting one and wear it on any class! I have done it Best backpack in the game (It’s an actual backpack! How else do your characters hold all that loot! haha)

Hobo-sack engage: Mesmer style.

I actually agree on the armor things with “Stice”.
But as stated above…its an OPTION. Not forced to be of as default.

Thank you for keeping my hope up Phineas. I do really hope what you say is right, and they will look into it.

This has honestly never bothered me, though I do think the backpacks of say, Med Kit and Bomb Kit and Grenade Kit look too similar on first glance.

Part of any move is having a unique animation. Ideally. Those not having that yet should get it.
A Mesmer’s Mimic is a very noticable shieldwall, a Warrior’s 100 Blades is a very unique hit animation. An Engineer’s kits sport an identifyable kit and weapon. Take that away, and the skill can no longer be easily identified by an enemy because there’s no 60+ weapon skins for the Flamethrower they’d all have to be able to identify.

IMO, not a good thing. I’d rather have unique animations for every skill so people can properly play the counter game.

Conan.8046:

Stice.5204:

Up until about a week ago when they put that aetherblade armor skin set on the gem shop there wasn’t a single set of medium armor skins in the entire game that actually looked engineer-themed. (Hell, there aren’t even many that look ranger-themed. Whoever designed the medium armor skins seems to have assumed they’d all be worn by thieves.)

I like the backpacks because they are the only thing my character wears that actually makes me look like an engineer.

Who ever designs the medium armor needs sacked.
There’s not one plain leather chest piece.
There’s no lack of amazing armor designs for leather armor out there.
The design team were very lazy for medium armor.

I gotta agree with this… I hate how a lot of the leather armor looks.

The asura cultural T2/3 leather is pretty nice for an eng… but you need to be an asura for it.

I’m also disappointed with what I’ve seen in the previews of the achievement rewards… they look more suited for light or heavy : /

insaneseagull.7063:

They did actually state it? O.o If so,could you post a link? This is seriously the only thing keeping me from playing an Engi >_<

Link is a few posts up.

Dedlaw.9130:

insaneseagull.7063:

They did actually state it? O.o If so,could you post a link? This is seriously the only thing keeping me from playing an Engi >_<

Link is a few posts up.

Like half of the Engineer forum posts?

Nekroseth.5186:

Dedlaw.9130:

insaneseagull.7063:

They did actually state it? O.o If so,could you post a link? This is seriously the only thing keeping me from playing an Engi >_<

Link is a few posts up.

Like half of the Engineer forum posts?

What?

ColinJohanson.2394:

It’s something we … want to address in the future [emphasis added]

What’s missing is “we will address this” and “in an upcoming patch”.
Until then it’s just PR.

Guess it comes down to base mathematics with this. Out of 8 classes only 1 is discouraged from getting a Legendary weapon and buying backpack skins off of the gem store. Of players of that class only a certain percentage play only a single character. Of that group only a certain percentage are gem store shoppers.

Now if the amount of potential development cost to fix the issue is more than the potential income it would generate then the fix to this issue is not likely to see the light of day anytime soon. That’s not to say ANet is a buncha money hungry sellouts, not at all, but rather they want to implement things that the largest portion of the fan base who support this game will get to enjoy. It’s a Catch 22. ANet didn’t put in a way for engineers to customize the look of their weapon substitutes so some people decided against playing it. And since so many people decided against playing it ANet hasn’t got around to changing it since its a minority problem that doesn’t hurt anything but the feelings of a minority of players in the games minority class.

The recent love thrown my favored classes way gives me hope they’ll implement the change, but at almost a year there are still bugs floating around that I know I personally reported back in the BWE’s which should be the #1 priority, and that’s not to mention the dev team’s zealous devotion to spamming us with content via the living story.

I only call it spam cuz it’s unsolicited…it’s like the postman giving you a free subscription to good magazine you never signed up for when all you asked him for was a patch for the holes in your mailbox. Sure thanks for the magazine, it really great, but how’s about them holes?

Carighan.6758:

Part of any move is having a unique animation. Ideally. Those not having that yet should get it.
A Mesmer’s Mimic is a very noticable shieldwall, a Warrior’s 100 Blades is a very unique hit animation. An Engineer’s kits sport an identifyable kit and weapon. Take that away, and the skill can no longer be easily identified by an enemy because there’s no 60+ weapon skins for the Flamethrower they’d all have to be able to identify.

Well,as someone (and I) stated in two other posts is the idea that Engis can get an icon under their health bar which represents the different kits instead of those hobo sacks. It’s true with your examples with the warrior and mesmer, thought you didn’t bring up the Ele. They don’t have magma running down their face when they are attuned to fire,water under their feet or something like that. Instead they have icons under their health bar which tells us WHICH attunement they are tuned to. Before you say,“but the eles have recognizable attacks!”…pfft..then what do you call a flamethrower in your 2 hands shooting out a 4 meter long flame…?If that’s not recognizable enough then I don’t know.

Well, true. Although Elementalists also have those elemental armbands, but they’re difficult to notice (I wish they were more noticeable ).

I might as quote some posts from other engineer posts…but dont want to spam, why its senseless to make the “identifiable via backpack” an excuse.
I agree to some degree, but others have more resonable replies to this.

Some quotes trough :
“I don’t buy the “players need to see what we are using”. I do think that is a big focus in GW2, but it’s just unnecessary to put a giant ugly backpack on our back to accomplish this. It could easily be a buff just like Eles get with the icon of the kit we are currently in. I don’t even think that’s needed, but if that’s what needs to be done that’s great.
To give the benefit of the doubt I’ll assume the big problem is not with Flamethrower, but with kits like Grenades, Bombs, and maybe Tool Kit. What really cracks me up is that there are players out there who honestly claim that the backpack for any of those kits alerts them to what it is before any skills are used. That’s just nonsensical.
The backpacks aren’t telling players anything they don’t already know, and in most cases I’m willing to bet if you showed just the backpacks to random players over half of them couldn’t even identify which kit they go to.”
From Adamantium-

“The real problems with Hobosacks (that’s their official term):
1) They’re too small for someone in front of you (you know, the guy you’re fighting for you life against) to see. Or even yourself, because you’re busy looking at the guy in front of you (the guy you’re fighting for your life against)
2) A large portion of them are covered by our body, which people are going to focus at
3) They already switch your weapon. yes, there is a huge difference between a rifle and a wrench, or a charrzooka and a flamethrower
4) You already know what kit you’re using merely by glancing at your skill bar. you’re more likely to confuse what kit you’re using by glancing at your backpack art, because the skill icons are much more informative: Flamethrower has fire image, Medkits has 3 identical bags, Toolkit has a wrench, Elixir Gun has a green futuristic gun, Grenade Kit has freaking grenades, and Bomb Kit has bomb kegs
5) You don’t try to see what backpack an engineer is using if there are other people to deal with, especially in a shader and post-processing festival”
From Raestloz-

Another post, exacly abaut the main topic :
“.. Alright. Well. I recently had enough saved up to purchase a Predator rifle. Which I did. I play only an Engineer, so having a Legendary (Which I’d been uhming and ahing about for a while) just seemed like.. the next step.
I already knew that I’d likely never be able to see the thing with the build I ran previously. I was a hardcore utility; I made everybody else’s lives easier, rather than just being a faceroll, “lolololol luk it died,” type of class.
Well.. since I actually wanted to get some use out of the rifle, or rather, have it be seen that I’m one of the few Engineers that actually has a Legendary (Yeah. There really aren’t any of them around, for all of the problems that have been mentioned by this thread) I decided to completely swap builds.
While my current build is great (Rifle on display constantly and FAR more DPS than any other class can manage to get their wildest dreams wrapped around; wooo!) it’s.. I’ve just lost the love I had for the class. Where before I would enjoy actually thinking about things and how to best serve my party, now I just run in, faceroll my rotation, and run out.
But I want to show that I’ve gone well and truly out of my way and dedicated myself to this class by showing off my Legendary. So that’s the way it is for now. At least, until I just can’t even begin to care, since I’ve never been a faceroller, and it’s really wearing down my patience with this game quite quickly.”
By kusumura—