Guild Wars 2

Now I know thet a lot of engineers like the rifle and I do to it’s hawe some realy nice control skills and all but there is one thing I and problably a lot of players hate about it thet no mather what kind of rifle we youse we shoot it like it’s a shotgun.

I talking about the hip shoot ability. It’s noting more then a damage dealing ability for long range (longer if you talent it like thet) and it’s giving thet hole shotgun feeling whiel you yousing a so called “rifle” I means serously thet’s your only long range damagedealing ability in the game wiht a rifle and you doing headshot’s wiht it while fiering fromthe hips. I don’t get it how coud you aim perfectly wiht the hip instead of aiming wiht your eye and thet’s why I suggest thet the 1 rifle skill shoud be replaced something what the warrior have for animation for there 1 rifle skill.

It woudn’t break any balnce in my opinion if the hip shot woud be replaced wiht the warrior 1 rifle skill animation and rename it I mean it’s a long range ability there is no sense to aiming it like you yousing a shotgun in close range it’s only breake the imersion in my opinion.

So what woud happen if the 1 engineer rifle skill woud be replaced wiht the 1 warrior rifle skill:

-it woud give the fell thet we yousing a actualy rifle to shoot to long range and not pretending to be ultra heavy mega pro no-scope headshot skilled fps player.

-there woudn’t be any PvE PvP inbalance after all the only thing woud be changed is how we shot wiht the rifle in the auto attack (taking it up to eye level aim and shot).

-noobs (like me) woud finaly get what they realy whanted from the engineer rifle and shut up
(I realy like the engineer class and I love rifles but the hole “you yousing a rifle which is a shotgun no mather thet the texture is a sniper rifle (legendary rifle)” break it for me and it’s hard to play wiht it since I don’t like pistols and the kit’s are only for combat.)

-for those ho dosn’t have any problem wiht the current engineer rifle skills woudn’t be affected afteral they didn’t chared about them or prefer to youse a pistol but for those ho whas let down by the animation woud finaly reroll to a engineer and youse rifles becouse they woud get the feeling thet they youse a rifle while the other skills are greate for pve and pvp.

-we woud get a rifle/shotgun hibrid for the engineer and everybody woud be happy finaly. Oh and befour I forget about the lore well I am a engineer if I whant to make a rifle thet have shotgun abilitys while can youse it as a rifle too then I make a rifle wiht shotgun abilitys thet I can still youse as a rifle too btw “Trust me I am a engineer!”

-as I said it woudn’t cause any balance issue since the 1 rifle skill on engineer is a auto attack to cause some damage and crit damage it’s not giving boon or condisions or imbolize you etc it’s only a auto attack and replacing it wiht the warrior 1 rifle skill woudn’t cause anything mayor class change/breaking on engineer it woud only change thet the engineer woud have a rifle ability which is a actual rifle ability and yousing the rifle as a rifle and not as a one tubed shotgun.

My main problem is thet I love the engineer class feeling I love the medium armors and what sets you can make out from them but I don’t whant to roll for a warrior wiht heavy armor to youse the rifle as a rifle. I whant to youse the rifle on the engineer as a rifle if the 1 auto attack woud be switched to the warrior 1 rifle skill I woud be completly happy about the engineer rifle.

And by replacing the 1 skill wiht the warrior 1 skill I mean copy it rename it and bam finished or leave the hip shot ability as a optional ability for enginerr if he/she whant a pure shotgun or whant a rifle/shotgun hibrid.

There would be a huge imbalance tho, warriors #1 at max attack ( no might) deals 800-900 crits. and that’s with lots of +% dmg.. if we had the same skill, power builds would be dealing around 600 dmg. leaving us rifle users with no chance of killing anything that runs.

The auto attack might be plain, but its one of the strongest hitting auto-attack on ranged weapons, which also happens to pierce by default.

If you roll warrior for this reason, I will assure you. you will rarely us the rifle, the animations look cooler, but you will notice your lack of DPS when ur dealing 900 single target dmg compared to the 3k+ AoE from GS auto attack. specially since volley and killshot are the only source of real dmg as well, as the only 2 skills you will be using before switching back to gs

google.3709:

There would be a huge imbalance tho, warriors #1 at max attack ( no might) deals 800-900 crits. and that’s with lots of +% dmg.. if we had the same skill, power builds would be dealing around 600 dmg. leaving us rifle users with no chance of killing anything that runs.

The auto attack might be plain, but its one of the strongest hitting attacks on ranged weapons, which also happens to pierce by default.

I didn’t meant to have the same skill as the warrior I meant to replace the hip shot animation wiht the propel animation what the warrior youse for it’s 1 rifle skill and rename the hip shot to “precise shoot” or something.
Becouse thet hip shot animation driwing me mad! Serously there is so much awsome looking medium armor and I like the engineer class as a theme for it and I woud like to youse the rifle as a propel rifle in it even if it’s 1 skill out from the 4 skill on the “rifle” but creating a sniper/hunter themed engineer is neraly impossible since if you whant to youse the rifle as a rifle then you nead to re roll to a warrior but the heavy armors don’t look good for the sniper themed character so I kinda stuck.

Do you whant to youse the rifle as a rifle? Go make a warrior.
Do you whant to youse medium armors to create a sniper looking character go roll on engineer/ranger.
Do you whant to be look like a sniper while yousing medium armor a rifle and being a engineer? Haha good luck wiht thet.

ahhhhhh i see!! so only replace the animation! ?

things like this could miss lead the readers like it happened to me :P

“It woudn’t break any balnce in my opinion if the hip shot woud be replaced wiht the warrior 1 rifle skill”

google.3709:

ahhhhhh i see!! so only replace the animation! ?

things like this could miss lead the readers like it happened to me :P

“It woudn’t break any balnce in my opinion if the hip shot woud be replaced wiht the warrior 1 rifle skill”

Thx for pointing it out for me english isn’t my native language so sometimes I mess up and write something completly differently then what I whanted to write down thanks.

I would like an animation change so that you don’t fire from the hip. Dunno if Anet will change it though.

The only reason I can think of us doing hip shot is that arenanet wanted engie’s rifle to feel different than a warrior’s rifle. And I can understand trying to make classes feel different. However, the hip shot animation is just plain stupid and no one likes it. The animation just disappoints engie users, and doesn’t help at all in making rifles appealing. Hip shots for blunderbuss animation? That makes sense. Shooting the rifle at a 1200 range? No.

P.S. I’m sure there might be one or two who like hip shot animations, bu that’s about it.

P.S. #2 Yeah at least new shotgun weps help out

the engineer’s rifle kills are actually shotgun skills, so it would make sense for them to shoot from the hip. Anet is also going to be adding more shotgun rifle skins so our weapon would be better suited for our skills. It should also be noted that the engineer doesn’t have training on weapons so it should make sense in that regard as to why the engineer doesn’t shoot properly

Monadproxy.3489:

the engineer’s rifle kills are actually shotgun skills, so it would make sense for them to shoot from the hip. Anet is also going to be adding more shotgun rifle skins so our weapon would be better suited for our skills. It should also be noted that the engineer doesn’t have training on weapons so it should make sense in that regard as to why the engineer doesn’t shoot properly

Doesn’t have training on weapons? Where’d you get that from?
It makes little sense that the combat engineer with a firearms treeline would not have any training on weapons.

I peronaly agree and dissagre whit the whole “Hip shoot animation arguing” you guys are having. so lets start whit what why i agree.

Yes, the Hip shoot animation looks rly stupid and in a way, akward.

No, Hip shoot looks awsome if you are Charr (my opinion).

One more thing: I whold like a rifle that looked more like a shotgun, that whold be cool considering the 3 4 and 5 skills.

That is all from me. Take care

Perkan.6482:

I peronaly agree and dissagre whit the whole “Hip shoot animation arguing” you guys are having. so lets start whit what why i agree.

Yes, the Hip shoot animation looks rly stupid and in a way, akward.

No, Hip shoot looks awsome if you are Charr (my opinion).

One more thing: I whold like a rifle that looked more like a shotgun, that whold be cool considering the 3 4 and 5 skills.

That is all from me. Take care

some one did some data mining and found a new rifle skin that is a double barrel shot gun. so, yay for shotguns

Monadproxy.3489:

some one did some data mining and found a new rifle skin that is a double barrel shot gun. so, yay for shotguns

Do you have a link/screen/ingamecode to show this. I’m quite curious what it looks like

meh I dont mind it, In my mind I replace “rifle” with “shotgun” when I am playing engineer anyway.

I agree with what the OP overall wants, but disagree with how he wants it.

I would prefer if Anet just renamed the current weapon set to what it really is: “Shotgun”. Fine, let us keep using rifles for the shotgun slot, but don’t beat around the bush. This isn’t a rifle. It doesn’t fire like a rifle, it isn’t used like a rifle. It’s a shotgun, plain and simple.

THEN, add a rifle slot to us. It would give us that additional weapon option so many of us crave.

lower range, make aoe, shotgun for life :P

Tolmos.8395:

I agree with what the OP overall wants, but disagree with how he wants it.

I would prefer if Anet just renamed the current weapon set to what it really is: “Shotgun”. Fine, let us keep using rifles for the shotgun slot, but don’t beat around the bush. This isn’t a rifle. It doesn’t fire like a rifle, it isn’t used like a rifle. It’s a shotgun, plain and simple.

THEN, add a rifle slot to us. It would give us that additional weapon option so many of us crave.

Honestly, this is what we need right here.

On a side note: Why would A-net give engi’s shotguns? I wouldn’t exactly say they were meant for CQC, when they’re using turrets and elixirs, along with having a lower durability/health than the soldier classes. Agro on an engineer is generally not good.

Grammar, engis can be some of the best bunkers out there. My engi always tanks everything in dungeons :p

Hipfire looks so cool. Dont understand all the complaints. Fits perfectly in my oponion

Monadproxy.3489:

the engineer’s rifle kills are actually shotgun skills, so it would make sense for them to shoot from the hip. Anet is also going to be adding more shotgun rifle skins so our weapon would be better suited for our skills. It should also be noted that the engineer doesn’t have training on weapons so it should make sense in that regard as to why the engineer doesn’t shoot properly

Well, yes. But shooting from the hip makes every Asura engineer look like Elmer Fudd.

I’d kind of like to see a shotgun as a separate weapon. Keep the rife for long range and get rid of the short range weapon powers. Add a shotgun, move the short/medium range skills to that and perhaps add a few new short range skills that would compliment a power based build.

ripAnubis.5817:

Monadproxy.3489:

some one did some data mining and found a new rifle skin that is a double barrel shot gun. so, yay for shotguns

Do you have a link/screen/ingamecode to show this. I’m quite curious what it looks like

here is a screen shot

maybe even if there were 2 separate weapons like shotgun/rifle. it is a bit odd though that engi rifle has a bunch of close ranged skills, yet one of the attacks can reach up to 1200… if rifle #1 was changed so that it was a very strong auto attack at 600 range, i’d be alright with that.

No, nope, no-thanks, not happening. I like rifle the way it is. If you want to add some other weapon or something that will not at all change the rifle I have right now, including the hip-shot animation, go for it.

Otherwise, do not touch it. It is just fine, creative, and distinct the way it is.

Monadproxy.3489:

the engineer’s rifle kills are actually shotgun skills, so it would make sense for them to shoot from the hip.

Clearly you’ve never actually fired a shotgun. Nobody shoots one from the hip.

i’d like the developers at arenanet to try and hipfire a 10 gauge.

Seras .5702:

Monadproxy.3489:

the engineer’s rifle kills are actually shotgun skills, so it would make sense for them to shoot from the hip.

Clearly you’ve never actually fired a shotgun. Nobody shoots one from the hip.

Except for people who shoot from the hip?

Clearly you don’t shoot shotguns enough if you think that shoulder shooting is the only way that it can be done.

If shoulder shooting a shotgun is the proper/only way to do it then that just emphasizes my point that engineers have no proper training in how to handle a gun. Sure, they can make guns and stuff, but knowing how to make something doesn’t mean they know how to properly use it.

Tolmos.8395:

Seras .5702:

Monadproxy.3489:

the engineer’s rifle kills are actually shotgun skills, so it would make sense for them to shoot from the hip.

Clearly you’ve never actually fired a shotgun. Nobody shoots one from the hip.

Except for people who shoot from the hip?

Clearly you don’t shoot shotguns enough if you think that shoulder shooting is the only way that it can be done.

It can be done. I could shoot the shotgun behind my back or thru my legs. But I wouldn’t. Because that’s completely kitten and ineffective.