PvE Engineer runes. Scholar/Strength?

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Posted by: Sev.2351

Sev.2351

So what works best as of right now? I have been running scholar for a long time now. But some people have told me I should switch to strength or something else? Thoughts?

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Posted by: Sins.4782

Sins.4782

Scholar for sure now with the 2% damage nerf on strength. The only way to justify strength is if you’re supplying the vast majority of your party’s might, like on a phalanx warrior.

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Posted by: Ameno.6813

Ameno.6813

I don’t know about that, I mean, I can easily keep at least 18 stacks of might on my self just by way of blast finishers, sigil of battle and sigil of strength. Is scholars really worth all that extra might? What I like about strength runes is the buff is basically on at all times because might is so prevalent. Whereas the scholars rune buff is generally only up for the start of a fight.

Talking strictly from a solo standpoint even…

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Posted by: Arantheal.7396

Arantheal.7396

are we speaking pve?
eagle is a reliable dps-source, scholar is the best option for min-maxing, with a unreliable proc, and flame-legion is the best option in terms of price/performance. with sufficient fury uptime in the group, runes of rage are also worth being considered.

Edit:
I’d say strenght is not bad, even after the nerf, but the madness on the TP around them completely destroyed their price/performance ratio. Imo a unjustified waste of gold.

Edit 2:
Since i was playing around in the build-constructor, I had a rather strange idea…
From a min-maxing standpoint: wouldn’t slotting ruby-orbs not bring more dps overall than most of the above mentioned runes?
Too tired to run the maths myself and couldn’t find a spreadsheet about it. Could someone please test / theory craft them into a build and run the numbers for me? ty.

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Posted by: Sins.4782

Sins.4782

Strength runes will be better in a solo situation, certainly. If you are in a group though, you should never be the sole supplier of might. Given how easy it is to reach 25 stacks of might in a coordinated party, scholar’s are definitely the better choice.

On rune/orb comparisons:

With a 6/6/0/0/2 build, full exotic berserker’s with no food, stacking sigils, might, or damage modifiers from traits factored in, and no fury, banners, spotter, frost spirit, or empower allies:

Ruby orbs- 3,765.1 EP
Strength runes- 3,799.4 EP
Scholar runes with 25% upkeep on scholar’s bonus- 3,827.1 EP
Scholar’s with 50% upkeep- 3,890.8 EP
Scholar’s with 75% upkep- 3,956.1 EP

In a setting with 25 might, 25 vulnerability, fury, banner of discipline, banner of strength, empower allies, assuming sigils of night and force, explosive powder, and modified ammunition with 5 conditions on target, including bleeding:

Ruby orbs- 13,401.7 EP
Strength runes- 13,606.7 EP
Scholar’s w/ 25% upkeep- 13,684.1 EP
Scholar’s w/ 50% upkeep- 14,017.9 EP
Scholar’s w/ 75% upkeep- 14,351.6 EP

So basically: Ruby Orbs < Strength Runes < Scholar Runes with health kept above 90% at least 24% of the time.

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Posted by: Miaire.5468

Miaire.5468

Hi! I’ve started playing more Engi recently and I remember reading someone posting about Condi duration to keep up more Vulnerability. Any info on that?

I’m still running Ruby Orbs but planning to change it to Scholar Runes, just confirming if there’s anything about Condi duration I should know about.

EDIT: Sorry it could’ve been use Condi duration food, and not at all related to Runes and Sigils.

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Posted by: Sins.4782

Sins.4782

Condi duration food is great for stacking vulnerability with grenades. It’s especially good if you use the new +condi duration +power food from living story. You could go all out and take a giver’s weapon and debility sigil, but you’d only be extending your vuln stacks against bosses by 1s, for a serious dps loss. Changing out runes would be a pretty big drop as well, and I don’t believe any rune combinations out there now will let you maximize your vuln duration anyway. Your team should be providing some stacks as well, so usually the +40% condi duration food is enough to hit and stay near 25 stacks.

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Posted by: Ryn.6459

Ryn.6459

I have been replacing rubies for rangrrs runes on my alts… But looking at your numbers doesnt look that ferocity change hit that hard

Learning English, any correction is very welcome.

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Posted by: Arantheal.7396

Arantheal.7396

Ty for the work sins. Guess I stay on eagle then… I rarely stay above 90% health anyways.

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