Guild Wars 2

Hello, i made a build for Engineer and i’d like you to rate it
I know Healing Turret is theoretically the best healing spell but i just love dat gyro instant cast.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASncoClchtbBWXBEqilJjieuz79Oc7SmwS8ZKgAA-TJxHwADuAAAeAAi2foYZAA

if you swap B for S and the sneak gyro for Mortar its basically what I’ve been running. I’ve tested all three of the heals (AED no thanks) and they all bring different things to the table. the TB for the gyro is nice, nicer than the HT TB, but the boons on H are rally useful. it’s hard to choose tbh.

The link was bugged for me. Couldn’t view the page for some reason.

Works fine, just checked it.
You may be blocking external links somehow or gw2forum didnt send you into the site.

This is not the ultimate build, OP.

Thats it:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASncoCNehtbBWXBEqilJjieuz7/W8ZGvAYcEev4D-TJxIABA8AA2+CA09+DGVGAA

HF

That’s a berserker’s offensive option i built an cele one. Two different options. Cele is probably better overall atm, zerk is more fun in soloq.

yeah, up to you. just kidding about the thread title.

in my opinion 20% boon dura is better than 30% might duration, because:

1. there are runes avaiable with useful stats now.
2. scrapper brings a lot of useful boons into the game next to alchy (i love stabi on dogde)

Greyjoy.5167:

Hello, i made a build for Engineer and i’d like you to rate it
I know Healing Turret is theoretically the best healing spell but i just love dat gyro instant cast.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASncoClchtbBWXBEqilJjieuz79Oc7SmwS8ZKgAA-TJxHwADuAAAeAAi2foYZAA

I’d swap invention for tools. CD reduction on toolkit is really strong and then you can have speedy kit for moving and prybar often. Also the vigor is not that bad even if i think you miss damage in anycase. With firearm infact you have more damage through IP and condition from range with eg… it is an heavy loss

PierPiero.9142:

Greyjoy.5167:

Hello, i made a build for Engineer and i’d like you to rate it
I know Healing Turret is theoretically the best healing spell but i just love dat gyro instant cast.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASncoClchtbBWXBEqilJjieuz79Oc7SmwS8ZKgAA-TJxHwADuAAAeAAi2foYZAA

I’d swap invention for tools. CD reduction on toolkit is really strong and then you can have speedy kit for moving and prybar often. Also the vigor is not that bad even if i think you miss damage in anycase. With firearm infact you have more damage through IP and condition from range with eg… it is an heavy loss

keep inventions. the sustain and mobility from that line is super worth for cele.

Well after plenty of matches i played there’s one conclusion – every trait line is good for scrapper :d one is more defensive one offensive etc. Every single one is viable, depends only on playstyle.

Considering both of these builds have hammer slotted, neither would be ultimate, or even particularly viable without perfect team composition.

Kinda hard to take the build seriously with Medic Gyro. =/

Dahkeus.8243:

Kinda hard to take the build seriously with Medic Gyro. =/

Kinda hard to take you seriously.

It highly depends on the build, my friend!

Nano.3706:

Dahkeus.8243:

Kinda hard to take the build seriously with Medic Gyro. =/

Kinda hard to take you seriously.

It highly depends on the build, my friend!

Healing turret > Medic Gyro, regardless of build.

Dahkeus.8243:

Nano.3706:

Dahkeus.8243:

Kinda hard to take the build seriously with Medic Gyro. =/

Kinda hard to take you seriously.

It highly depends on the build, my friend!

Healing turret > Medic Gyro, regardless of build.

Can you justify this conclusion? Learn look left and right!

Nano.3706:

Dahkeus.8243:

Nano.3706:

Dahkeus.8243:

Kinda hard to take the build seriously with Medic Gyro. =/

Kinda hard to take you seriously.

It highly depends on the build, my friend!

Healing turret > Medic Gyro, regardless of build.

Can you justify this conclusion? Learn look left and right!

This has been debated to death already. If you want to see the results, look at any accepted meta or even close-to-meta build and see what they’re using for the heal.

Lol. What I read is “because others said so”. Is this the base for your opinion? Accepted Meta? Accepted by whom?

Ok. I’m back at point, where I can’t take you serios. I bet, you even havn’t tried med gyro. Just a build copy-past guy, because others said, that’s good. Have you ever asked yourself , how many people create this “Meta” (percentage of people, which play the game)? Have you ever asked yourself, why this meta is shifting, even without patches?

I don’t think so. You don’t even ask, why the op uses med gyro or which builds i mean…

No no. It’s all wrong, because others said so.

Nano.3706:

Lol. What I read is “because others said so”. Is this the base for your opinion? Accepted Meta? Accepted by whom?

Ok. I’m back at point, where I can’t take you serios. I bet, you even havn’t tried med gyro. Just a build copy-past guy, because others said, that’s good. Have you ever asked yourself , how many people create this “Meta” (percentage of people, which play the game)? Have you ever asked yourself, why this meta is shifting, even without patches?

I don’t think so. You don’t even ask, why the op uses med gyro or which builds i mean…

No no. It’s all wrong, because others said so.

Ok…if that’s what you wanna believe, lol.

I mean, you could go look at the results, compare the numbers, consider the mechanics, and listen to the feedback from people who’ve already used it and/or done the comparison. You could also see which engineers are winning tournaments: Engis using turret or engis using medic.

…or you could dismiss the argument entirely because I’m not giving you the time of day to write out a long reply for something that’s already been argued to a consensus for most of the community and then just accept that it’s better because you like it and were able to get by just fine with it.

=P

I have looked at the mechanics.
I compared the numbers.
I considered the mechanics.

My result: med gyro is better in my build(!)

“Ht>med gyro, regardless of build”= untrue!
qed

Ht:
1. More base heal
2. Two waterfields with a huge radius (which makes it the better group heal)
3. Own blast
4. Knockback if traited.

Med gyro:
1. Instant cast, usable while stunned(great in pvp, combine it with rune of defender and you have aegis in stun)
2. More protection, great for boon builds, boon sharing (did you even knew, that the protection on F1 pulses 5 times for up to 5 player?)
3. Main heal is "splitted "
4. Stronger F1. Great, if you trait tools and kynetic battery.
5. Daze
6. Waterfield, that moves.

Like I said at the beginning: depends on the build…

Sorry, but statements like yours makes me sad.
Start look left and right!
Stop making assumptions based on the others!

Edit: why you don’t answer my questions?

Your handicapping yourself against Condi focused builds by using the med gyro cause if you used HT you’d have another 2 cleanses plus two waterfields and a blast combo with the build you linked You only have five ways to cleanse one of them are a stunbreaker which you dont want to waste on one Condi clear whereas using the heal turret+blasting heals more in an instant and cleanses condos on top of it on a short cd and an even shorter cool down if you don’t blast it yea the med gyros fun and the tb without a doubt is amazing, its still outclassed by the HT no matter how you argue it.

Your questions were answered. Not worth my time. You can argue that medic has advantages all day, but that doesn’t make it better, particularly when you highlight those advantages by pointing out how they supplement deficiencies in your build that could be supplemented in other ways with a lower effective cost to performance.

I’m not just basing my opinion on other people’s opinion, but neither am I discounting the experience of other players more skilled and successful than I am (i.e. high end tourny players). You seem to really want to believe that is my stance though and I doubt I’ll really change that (especially when considering the way you left out aspects of HT to make med look better). Feel free to stand firm in your bias.

However, if you really care to see the difference between these skills, you’ll research and see the numbers and reasoning that’s already out there stated more eloquently than I could put it.

Dusk.4708:

Your handicapping yourself against Condi focused builds by using the med gyro cause if you used HT you’d have another 2 cleanses…

Thank you very much for the first argument in this discussion. That’s true, i forgot to put this on the pro side, my bad.

Anyhow, i feel confident with the cleanse i have. It’s more Cc wars than condi wars at the moment.
I already mentioned your other points.
Ht heals more and is better in general, but not in every build.

Nano.3706:

Ht heals more and is better in general, but not in every build.

HT is better in every build , its ok if you personal can handle gyro in your build way better .
But to say its better is false, sry my mate .

If gyro will become “meta” within this year, I would like to have 10 bucks from all of you. Bank account info via pn :P

Nano.3706:

This is not the ultimate build, OP.

Thats it:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASncoCNehtbBWXBEqilJjieuz7/W8ZGvAYcEev4D-TJxIABA8AA2+CA09+DGVGAA

HF

Oe! I like dis!

Don’t understand this obsession with cele to be honest, hits like wet noodle.