[Pvp] Dealing with Reapers

[Pvp] Dealing with Reapers

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Posted by: Selya.5039

Selya.5039

Despite the nerf to chill this season, I still find myself having serious issues fighting reapers 1v1 or 2v2. Before the slick shoes nerf, reapers were a difficult but not impossible fight for me- with the right timing, if I managed to slick shoes them outside of shroud, I had a decent chance of killing them. However, in this season, I find that nothing I do against even a semi-decent reaper works. Without any way to lock the reaper down for extended periods of time, he can do a decent job kiting and piling up conditions just with scepter alone. The massive amount of condi pressure also overwhelms any of the cleanses I have and I either
a) Die slowly to stacks of bleed that get stacked right after I cleanse them or
b) Die to a massive condition burst that I can cleanse only once if I have elixir C.

So I thought I would come here for help with
a) How to deal with getting kited in general
b) How to deal with reapers and the enormous amount of condition pressure that they put out.

I’m running the standard scrapper build with Hoelbrak runes, marauders ammy and elixir C (if they have 2 or more condi classes) or elixir b(if they have 1 or less condi class).

Cheers!

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Posted by: Rezzet.3614

Rezzet.3614

try runes of lyssa

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Posted by: PierPiero.9142

PierPiero.9142

which build do you use ? I use marauder scrapper with medic gyro , elixir C , eg ,bulk gyro and snake gyro , hoelbrack runes , the meta or similar and usually it is hard but not impossible to figth them. I suggest you 2 things that people quite often don’t do :
remember that Elixir gun is a weapon, so use it when you are not melee, don’t camp in hammer all the time. Remember that Elixir Gun 5 + Hammer 2 remove 2 condi, toss elixir C remove 1 condi every 16 seconds . Necro usually have not great reheal possibility so you can go in stealth , reheal and come back and they will not have the health bar full again . The only real important thing, imho, as against warrior, is to get used to EG for condition cleaning in addition to elixir C. Also remember , from melee that eg 2 gives you speed ( so health ) . For me the key to beat condi burst with scrapper is the right use of elixir Gun. I have more problems with condi warriors becouse they force you to melee only fight. In any case they are possible matchup , not easy but not impossible . Eg + hammer 3 gives you frost aura, so , when i see necro with marks, i usually put under it eg 5 at start and then i lauch my self with hammer 3 and hammer 2 on it, so that i get frost aura at start and i remove fast the conditions from mark if i go on it. It is not perfect but it helps a lot imho .

(edited by PierPiero.9142)

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Posted by: Goosekilla.2796

Goosekilla.2796

which build do you use ? I use marauder scrapper with medic gyro , elixir C , eg ,bulk gyro and snake gyro , hoelbrack runes , the meta or similar and usually it is hard but not impossible to figth them. I suggest you 2 things that people quite often don’t do :
remember that Elixir gun is a weapon, so use it when you are not melee, don’t camp in hammer all the time. Remember that Elixir Gun 5 + Hammer 2 remove 2 condi, toss elixir C remove 1 condi every 16 seconds . Necro usually have not great reheal possibility so you can go in stealth , reheal and come back and they will not have the health bar full again . The only real important thing, imho, as against warrior, is to get used to EG for condition cleaning in addition to elixir C. Also remember , from melee that eg 2 gives you speed ( so health ) . For me the key to beat condi burst with scrapper is the right use of elixir Gun. I have more problems with condi warriors becouse they force you to melee only fight. In any case they are possible matchup , not easy but not impossible . Eg + hammer 3 gives you frost aura, so , when i see necro with marks, i usually put under it eg 5 at start and then i lauch my self with hammer 3 and hammer 2 on it, so that i get frost aura at start and i remove fast the conditions from mark if i go on it. It is not perfect but it helps a lot imho .

Egun 5 is a light field, giving light aura, not frost aura. Also, unfortunately, whirl finisher in light field sends out “cleansing bolts” which heal conditions on nearby allies, but not yourself. I’m not saying you’re tactics don’t work, but if they do then it isn’t for the reasons you think.

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Posted by: PierPiero.9142

PierPiero.9142

which build do you use ? I use marauder scrapper with medic gyro , elixir C , eg ,bulk gyro and snake gyro , hoelbrack runes , the meta or similar and usually it is hard but not impossible to figth them. I suggest you 2 things that people quite often don’t do :
remember that Elixir gun is a weapon, so use it when you are not melee, don’t camp in hammer all the time. Remember that Elixir Gun 5 + Hammer 2 remove 2 condi, toss elixir C remove 1 condi every 16 seconds . Necro usually have not great reheal possibility so you can go in stealth , reheal and come back and they will not have the health bar full again . The only real important thing, imho, as against warrior, is to get used to EG for condition cleaning in addition to elixir C. Also remember , from melee that eg 2 gives you speed ( so health ) . For me the key to beat condi burst with scrapper is the right use of elixir Gun. I have more problems with condi warriors becouse they force you to melee only fight. In any case they are possible matchup , not easy but not impossible . Eg + hammer 3 gives you frost aura, so , when i see necro with marks, i usually put under it eg 5 at start and then i lauch my self with hammer 3 and hammer 2 on it, so that i get frost aura at start and i remove fast the conditions from mark if i go on it. It is not perfect but it helps a lot imho .

Egun 5 is a light field, giving light aura, not frost aura. Also, unfortunately, whirl finisher in light field sends out “cleansing bolts” which heal conditions on nearby allies, but not yourself. I’m not saying you’re tactics don’t work, but if they do then it isn’t for the reasons you think.

Yes sorry i commented it from work and i write things wrong and fast. The idea in any case is that you have not to camp in hammer. I see many many time bad scrappers who die trying to chase people with hammer rather than switch to EG. Elixir C now is quite strong with medic gyro, better than ht for me ( personal taste) . Necro are strong but they are not as hard as in season 2 . Now i find a good berserker harder than a necro to beat. In any case i arrived diamond with a not hot build ( classic warander pistol pistol ft toolkit elixir S build ) , so for a not competitive player engineer is really in a good spot for me , not op ok , but you have all your card for playing