Guild Wars 2

Retaliation feels like a broken mechanic.

Only 2 classes in the game seem to have any real counter for it. As an engineer, there is nothing I can do about it except “shoot less”. As a flamethrower build, retaliation renders me fairly useless. If even 1 enemy has retaliation, the flamethrower is as good as suicide, dealing about as much damage to me as I do to a single opponent (if I hit 5 opponents, it is literal suicide!)

I can switch to pistol or rifle but that’s really my only option — “shoot less”.

Confusion is similar to retaliation but there are more ways of dealing with it. Most classes seem to have methods of clearing conditions from themselves. But engineers have no way of removing a boon from an enemy.

(And before you say “wait for it to wear off”, I can show you a screenshot of someone in WvW with a 2 hour retaliation boon. You can do crazy stacking if you take the time to arrange it.)

In my opinion, Retaliation should simply be changed to a boon that causes Confusion in enemies when they hit you. There are more good ways of dealing with conditions on friendlies than boons on enemies. Retaliation is a “no skill” ability because there is no skillful method of handling it.

is it possible to retaliate their retaliation?

Well, technically the mine removes a boon.

And there are some sigils that do that.

You could try CCing them?

I remember having this protracted duel with a tank Guardian on a shortbow Ranger. Let me tell you, the death recap was a very sad thing to read.

Retaliation is just dumb, especially in wvw. If you’ve ever tried defending against a zerg that has any aoe retal going, it’s hilariously awful. I’ve killed myself by throwing grenades in under two seconds without ever taking a single attack from an enemy.

shortcake.8659:

Retaliation is just dumb, especially in wvw. If you’ve ever tried defending against a zerg that has any aoe retal going, it’s hilariously awful. I’ve killed myself by throwing grenades in under two seconds without ever taking a single attack from an enemy.

mhm there was somehting similar in warhammer online till it got nerfed good old times

TBH retaliation should work differently against players then it does NPCs anyway seems like a way overpowered mechanic against a human opponent.

There also many complaints about it in WvW, It will probably be reworked over the next few months.

But, keep in mind, super fast attack speed is really good for us, especially if they ever fix sigils with kits. I can’t wait until i’m walking around with 20 stacks of might because my flamethrower or grenade kit crits 4 times a second!

PokeyPenguin.6178:

There also many complaints about it in WvW, It will probably be reworked over the next few months.

But, keep in mind, super fast attack speed is really good for us, especially if they ever fix sigils with kits. I can’t wait until i’m walking around with 20 stacks of might because my flamethrower or grenade kit crits 4 times a second!

i am sure this will receive a nerf after a week if that happens. 25 might stack would be easy to achieve with crit condition damage build, thats free 875 power and condition damage. proper runes and you have perma burn and the burn damage alone would deal crazy amounts of damage.

CptCosmic.3156:

i am sure this will receive a nerf after a week if that happens. 25 might stack would be easy to achieve with crit condition damage build, thats free 875 power and condition damage. proper runes and you have perma burn and the burn damage alone would deal crazy amounts of damage.

darts eyes back and forth

Shhhh. Just keep quite and enjoy it for as long as you can.