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Posted by: RabbitUp.8294

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If Mortar becomes a regular kit, do you think Lyssa would be worth as a 45 sec cooldown condi cleanser?

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Posted by: Nilix.2170

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Yes. It is for me anyway. That’s exactly why I bought a set of it. Your Elite becomes an Elixir C and if you’re using the new inventions line, your heal becomes a Toss Elixir C for yourself.

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Posted by: Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365

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Unless they make a complete rework of the runes

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Posted by: Are.1326

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Forget about the 6th bonus, Lyssa runes gives you a random boon for 10 sec on a 10 sec cooldown when using a heal. Now that quickness is a boon and resistance exists, this might be realy strong (perma quickness/resistance/protection if lucky with healing kit.

Superior Rune of the Centaur can also be a nice alternativ to Speedy kits (if you don’t want to go into tools) when combined with healing kit and Robo legs (80% reduced cripple durration and your perma super swifthnes is also given to your allies).

Then there is the runes of the citadel, if the 6th set bonus bomb have the blast finisher effect from the new explosive grandmaster trait, that is an extra blastfinisher every 15 sec (at best), will be quite hard to control tho.

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Posted by: robertul.3679

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No. Lyssa were good a long time ago. Very good. Everybody used them. Meta shifts and nerfs made them pretty useless.

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Posted by: Toxsa.2701

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This rune set would be vastly useful to Engi because engi generally lacks big cleanse, and having a 45 cd on demand big cleanse is exactly what Engi needs the most.

I’d guess even if the Mortar kit moveset is complete garbage, people will still take this kit solely for the triggering Elite proc purposes. I can even see many Engi will actually take Krait runes now for on demand poison and torment.

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Posted by: Drakan.3401

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This would be great, and I understand there is a cool down on the rune effect , but I can’t imagine our elite kit won’t have a cool down on it at all. I guess it depends on if it does and how long it could be. Even if they just make the 1-5 skills have a CD I doubt they will allow runes with on elite activation to stand.

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Posted by: Shaogin.2679

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This would be great, and I understand there is a cool down on the rune effect , but I can’t imagine our elite kit won’t have a cool down on it at all. I guess it depends on if it does and how long it could be.

Guarantee you the cooldowns will be on the skills within the kit, not the kit itself.

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Posted by: Toxsa.2701

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This would be great, and I understand there is a cool down on the rune effect , but I can’t imagine our elite kit won’t have a cool down on it at all. I guess it depends on if it does and how long it could be. Even if they just make the 1-5 skills have a CD I doubt they will allow runes with on elite activation to stand.

If it has CD longer than 2 seconds, the desire of bringing this Kit drops drastically, unless the skills on it are god-tier.

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Posted by: Shaogin.2679

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This would be great, and I understand there is a cool down on the rune effect , but I can’t imagine our elite kit won’t have a cool down on it at all. I guess it depends on if it does and how long it could be. Even if they just make the 1-5 skills have a CD I doubt they will allow runes with on elite activation to stand.

Also, you have to understand that we already have elites in the game that can proc rune effects as soon as they come off cooldown every time. So, this is really nothing new, no reason at all to think they’d change runesets that proc off elites.

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Posted by: RabbitUp.8294

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If I remember correctly, you can switch kits while being cc’d. At least I can remember doing it in wvw, as I haven’t pvp’d with my engi for a while.

If it is so, then there’s a chance Lyssa will cleanse the cc currently affecting you, acting as a stun break.

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Posted by: Drakan.3401

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This would be great, and I understand there is a cool down on the rune effect , but I can’t imagine our elite kit won’t have a cool down on it at all. I guess it depends on if it does and how long it could be. Even if they just make the 1-5 skills have a CD I doubt they will allow runes with on elite activation to stand.

Also, you have to understand that we already have elites in the game that can proc rune effects as soon as they come off cooldown every time. So, this is really nothing new, no reason at all to think they’d change runesets that proc off elites.

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Posted by: Drakan.3401

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What is the CD on the “on elite” runes ATM.

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Posted by: RabbitUp.8294

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What is the CD on the “on elite” runes ATM.

Lyssa is 45 seconds. Krait is 30 s.

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Also, you have to understand that we already have elites in the game that can proc rune effects as soon as they come off cooldown every time. So, this is really nothing new, no reason at all to think they’d change runesets that proc off elites.

There’s only one, Basilisk Venom, which has 40 second cooldown, or 32 when traited, so even that cannot proc Krait instantly, although it comes close.

Entangle, Signet of Rage and Summon Flesh Golem (60s/48s) can proc Lyssa often enough, but not Krait.

Still, all of the above could require you using your elite at inopportune times, like when running away, or wasting the rune effect when engaging, like with Entangle or Venom. Mortar, on the other hand, doesn’t suffer from these problems.

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Posted by: Shaogin.2679

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Also, you have to understand that we already have elites in the game that can proc rune effects as soon as they come off cooldown every time. So, this is really nothing new, no reason at all to think they’d change runesets that proc off elites.

There’s only one, Basilisk Venom, which has 40 second cooldown, or 32 when traited, so even that cannot proc Krait instantly, although it comes close.

Entangle, Signet of Rage and Summon Flesh Golem (60s/48s) can proc Lyssa often enough, but not Krait.

Still, all of the above could require you using your elite at inopportune times, like when running away, or wasting the rune effect when engaging, like with Entangle or Venom. Mortar, on the other hand, doesn’t suffer from these problems.

It still isn’t going to be a big enough of an issue to warrant changes on the runes, especially when it just hurts the other professions using them for no reason. And like I said, I really don’t see a cooldown being implemented on the kit.

So, will it be more effective for an Engineer? Of course, just like the “on weapon swap” runes are. Will it be game-breaking or OP? No, it’s not really worth all the concern.

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Posted by: RabbitUp.8294

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It still isn’t going to be a big enough of an issue to warrant changes on the runes, especially when it just hurts the other professions using them for no reason. And like I said, I really don’t see a cooldown being implemented on the kit.

So, will it be more effective for an Engineer? Of course, just like the “on weapon swap” runes are. Will it be game-breaking or OP? No, it’s not really worth all the concern.

I don’t necessarily think there’s a need for rune changes. The most abusable aspect will be the fact that kits activate instantly, making Lyssa usable while cc’d, although Mortar could be the exception, like Basilisk is right now.

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Posted by: Shaogin.2679

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It still isn’t going to be a big enough of an issue to warrant changes on the runes, especially when it just hurts the other professions using them for no reason. And like I said, I really don’t see a cooldown being implemented on the kit.

So, will it be more effective for an Engineer? Of course, just like the “on weapon swap” runes are. Will it be game-breaking or OP? No, it’s not really worth all the concern.

I don’t necessarily think there’s a need for rune changes. The most abusable aspect will be the fact that kits activate instantly, making Lyssa usable while cc’d, although Mortar could be the exception, like Basilisk is right now.

The only real benefit to using Lyssa while cc’d as opposed to any other stun break or instant skill is the ability to break fear.

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Posted by: Are.1326

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The only real benefit to using Lyssa while cc’d as opposed to any other stun break or instant skill is the ability to break fear.

At the moment yes, but taunt will also be clensable with condi removal.

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Posted by: Shaogin.2679

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The only real benefit to using Lyssa while cc’d as opposed to any other stun break or instant skill is the ability to break fear.

At the moment yes, but taunt will also be clensable with condi removal.

Hadn’t considered Taunt. But again, just don’t see this being an issue. Taunt=reverse fear. Same thing, different condition.

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Posted by: RabbitUp.8294

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It doesn’t have to be an issue, we are not discussing how to nerf Lyssa, but how useful it will be for the new Engineer.

It sure has a lot going for it, currently, it’s an Elixir C+fear/taunt break that doesn’t waste a very precious utility slot, has a short enough cooldown, can be used with Med Kit for additional boons.

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Posted by: Shaogin.2679

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Oh it will definitely be very useful to some Engi builds. But stat-wise we’re looking at just precision and a small amount of condi duration.

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Posted by: Toxsa.2701

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It still isn’t going to be a big enough of an issue to warrant changes on the runes, especially when it just hurts the other professions using them for no reason. And like I said, I really don’t see a cooldown being implemented on the kit.

So, will it be more effective for an Engineer? Of course, just like the “on weapon swap” runes are. Will it be game-breaking or OP? No, it’s not really worth all the concern.

I don’t necessarily think there’s a need for rune changes. The most abusable aspect will be the fact that kits activate instantly, making Lyssa usable while cc’d, although Mortar could be the exception, like Basilisk is right now.

The only real benefit to using Lyssa while cc’d as opposed to any other stun break or instant skill is the ability to break fear.

It’s a pretty big deal when fighting a engi’s hard counter: necro.
Breaking that 6~7 secs long fear when you break stun skills on cd is rly nice.

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Posted by: Shaogin.2679

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It still isn’t going to be a big enough of an issue to warrant changes on the runes, especially when it just hurts the other professions using them for no reason. And like I said, I really don’t see a cooldown being implemented on the kit.

So, will it be more effective for an Engineer? Of course, just like the “on weapon swap” runes are. Will it be game-breaking or OP? No, it’s not really worth all the concern.

I don’t necessarily think there’s a need for rune changes. The most abusable aspect will be the fact that kits activate instantly, making Lyssa usable while cc’d, although Mortar could be the exception, like Basilisk is right now.

The only real benefit to using Lyssa while cc’d as opposed to any other stun break or instant skill is the ability to break fear.

It’s a pretty big deal when fighting a engi’s hard counter: necro.
Breaking that 6~7 secs long fear when you break stun skills on cd is rly nice.

Yeah, I’m getting the feeling that with the new traits and changes such as Mortar becoming a kit allowing us to proc lyssa on cd, conditions aren’t gonna be such a hard counter to Engineers anymore.

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Posted by: Arantheal.7396

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they haven’t nerved defender, which procs from armor mod quite heavily.
So why would they nerf lyssa if it’s on a 45sec cd (even longer than untraited elixir C)?

Runes always should bring something extra to a build, preferably something that covers its weaknesses, or something that helps it to specialize even more into the build-idea.
Condi-clearing is a general issue on engi, and taking lyssa means to give up on all other rune-sets that maybe would have increased the dps, so it’s a reasonable trade-off and something that still only process on a 45sec cd.
We don’t speak about pre-nerf perplexity runes + interrupt mantras. We speak about full condi-transmute on a 45sec cd (something that the engi is already capable of, even on shorter cd’s). It’s fair and balanced in my book, even if the mortar turns out to have no swap-cd whatsoever.

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Posted by: Jyrio.4637

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Well i guess there are quite a few people that think runes of lyssa are gona get really viable in HoT if u look at the huge increase of buy orders in the last week or so… I have to say i remain sceptic the utility the rune brigs is great but you only get presicion as a stat as well as a very small amount of condition duration.
At the moment rune of lyssa doesnt add stability even if it is a boon so who can say if it will add qickness or resistance.. I guess we will have to see when the expansion comes out how viable it really is.. I for my self just boght a set of them so i wont be surprised by suddenly having to pay 2 or 3 gold for a rune :-)

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Posted by: dancingmonkey.4902

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Valuable? Well that depends on how they stack against other runes introduced in hot. How they change lyssa runes in hot, if they do. And how they change other runes going into hot.

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Posted by: ArrDee.2573

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Probably wouldn’t work too well unless you refuse to swap to Mortar until you’re condi bombed which is a huge waste of an elite kit!

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