Guild Wars 2

I haven’t tried them yet, since the changes. I am curious to hear from those who have. It seems that a free condition removal of up to 5 conditions would be very beneficial now that conditions have so much more value. Even better, they are converted to boons, which appears as if it could be somewhat useful with “Iron Blooded”.

To give this some context, I am generally looking at it from a WvW perspective, by the way.

Funny thing.
I was just looking at/thinking about those runes this morning for the same reason.
Adding a passive condition removal would be helpful.

I don’t know how to fit them into a WvW build yet.

So, here’s 2 requests for info.

I will likely give it a test myself tonight or tomorrow. And I will share my experience and findings here, but anyone else’s feedback would be helpful as well.

If you want condition cleanses try a mixture of alchemy and inventions (or just inventions) along with healing turret.

The amount of condi cleanse & AOE condi cleanse a engineer can do now is insane.

It’s pretty good with the Mortar Kit if you’re timely with your swaps. Can really abuse the short cooldown.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

If you want condition cleanses try a mixture of alchemy and inventions (or just inventions) along with healing turret.

The amount of condi cleanse & AOE condi cleanse a engineer can do now is insane.

I did not start this topic for condition cleanses, nor does the amount of cleanses we can utilize, have anything to do with the topic. The topic is about the value of the runes, and how they transmute conditions to boons.

On a side note, if you think the amount of cleanses an engineer can use for cleansing themselves, compared to other professions is insane, I suggest you try some other professions. Engineer is still the bottom rung of the ladder, when it comes to conditions on one’s self.

coglin.1867:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

If you want condition cleanses try a mixture of alchemy and inventions (or just inventions) along with healing turret.

The amount of condi cleanse & AOE condi cleanse a engineer can do now is insane.

I did not start this topic for condition cleanses, nor does the amount of cleanses we can utilize, have anything to do with the topic. The topic is about the value of the runes, and how they transmute conditions to boons.

On a side note, if you think the amount of cleanses an engineer can use for cleansing themselves, compared to other professions is insane, I suggest you try some other professions. Engineer is still the bottom rung of the ladder, when it comes to conditions on one’s self.

Try a condi build with arms, alchemy, inventions, healing turret and elixer C.
I have been running it lately and have been literally laughing at other condition builds as well as most power builds while I beat them into the ground.

I have also tried it with explosives or tools instead of arms on a power build and it works just as well.
Over all I would rank engineer middle of the pack or above in terms of condition cleansing.

coglin.1867:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

If you want condition cleanses try a mixture of alchemy and inventions (or just inventions) along with healing turret.

The amount of condi cleanse & AOE condi cleanse a engineer can do now is insane.

I did not start this topic for condition cleanses, nor does the amount of cleanses we can utilize, have anything to do with the topic. The topic is about the value of the runes, and how they transmute conditions to boons.

On a side note, if you think the amount of cleanses an engineer can use for cleansing themselves, compared to other professions is insane, I suggest you try some other professions. Engineer is still the bottom rung of the ladder, when it comes to conditions on one’s self.

hgh builds never had much issue with condi cleansing… hgh just got nerfed out of the meta. now its back kinda. but kit builds have always had pretty bad issues, and lyssa runes are more applicable to kit builds anyways.

my 2 cents: random sucks.

insanemaniac.2456:

coglin.1867:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

If you want condition cleanses try a mixture of alchemy and inventions (or just inventions) along with healing turret.

The amount of condi cleanse & AOE condi cleanse a engineer can do now is insane.

I did not start this topic for condition cleanses, nor does the amount of cleanses we can utilize, have anything to do with the topic. The topic is about the value of the runes, and how they transmute conditions to boons.

On a side note, if you think the amount of cleanses an engineer can use for cleansing themselves, compared to other professions is insane, I suggest you try some other professions. Engineer is still the bottom rung of the ladder, when it comes to conditions on one’s self.

hgh builds never had much issue with condi cleansing… hgh just got nerfed out of the meta. now its back kinda. but kit builds have always had pretty bad issues, and lyssa runes are more applicable to kit builds anyways.

my 2 cents: random sucks.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

coglin.1867:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

If you want condition cleanses try a mixture of alchemy and inventions (or just inventions) along with healing turret.

The amount of condi cleanse & AOE condi cleanse a engineer can do now is insane.

I did not start this topic for condition cleanses, nor does the amount of cleanses we can utilize, have anything to do with the topic. The topic is about the value of the runes, and how they transmute conditions to boons.

On a side note, if you think the amount of cleanses an engineer can use for cleansing themselves, compared to other professions is insane, I suggest you try some other professions. Engineer is still the bottom rung of the ladder, when it comes to conditions on one’s self.

Try a condi build with arms, alchemy, inventions, healing turret and elixer C.
I have been running it lately and have been literally laughing at other condition builds as well as most power builds while I beat them into the ground.

I have also tried it with explosives or tools instead of arms on a power build and it works just as well.
Over all I would rank engineer middle of the pack or above in terms of condition cleansing.

What does either one of your off topic rants have to do with Superior runes of Lyssa, your experience with them since the update, and how the seems to function for the engineer?

coglin.1867:

What does either one of your off topic rants have to do with Superior runes of Lyssa, your experience with them since the update, and how the seems to function for the engineer?

err… that the strong cleansing you seek to get from lyssa runes is functionality that 409 has always provided. (and which alchemy continues to provide).

and condi->boon conversion is random. one day youll have 6-8 condis on you including fear and youll still die cuz lyssa runes didnt pick fear.

insanemaniac.2456:

coglin.1867:

What does either one of your off topic rants have to do with Superior runes of Lyssa, your experience with them since the update, and how the seems to function for the engineer?

err… that the strong cleansing you seek to get from lyssa runes is functionality that 409 has always provided. (and which alchemy continues to provide).

and condi->boon conversion is random. one day youll have 6-8 condis on you including fear and youll still die cuz lyssa runes didnt pick fear.

Seems to me that you are irrationally assuming I would have no other cleanses or condition conversations.

I am not particularly clear why you are projecting some concept of these being discussed as a replacement for using cleanses.

I am attempting to discuss how they seem to be working for, or against players,
with experience using them. Yet your projecting this idea that one has to think about them in an irrationally setting, under some false assumption that it is to replace all other forms of cleansing.

As I specifically stated in the first line of my original post that I was seeking feed back from players who have utilized and tested them in various builds, I am curious, how long did you test them yourself, after the last update, before you came to your conclusions?

coglin.1867:

insanemaniac.2456:

coglin.1867:

What does either one of your off topic rants have to do with Superior runes of Lyssa, your experience with them since the update, and how the seems to function for the engineer?

err… that the strong cleansing you seek to get from lyssa runes is functionality that 409 has always provided. (and which alchemy continues to provide).

and condi->boon conversion is random. one day youll have 6-8 condis on you including fear and youll still die cuz lyssa runes didnt pick fear.

Seems to me that you are irrationally assuming I would have no other cleanses or condition conversations.

I am not particularly clear why you are projecting some concept of these being discussed as a replacement for using cleanses.

I am attempting to discuss how they seem to be working for, or against players,
with experience using them. Yet your projecting this idea that one has to think about them in an irrationally setting, under some false assumption that it is to replace all other forms of cleansing.

As I specifically stated in the first line of my original post that I was seeking feed back from players who have utilized and tested them in various builds, I am curious, how long did you test them yourself, after the last update, before you came to your conclusions?

im not being irrational. in fact, i agree with you. kit based builds have always had a weakness to condis. but why do you think its irrational for me to assume you wont take other boon conversions? C sucks and if youre taking inversion enzyme then you prolly have enough cleansing already from alchemical tinctures and since i know you zerg in wvw SRD is prolly what you want instead of inversion enzyme anyways. but for roaming or pvp SRD isnt so great.

i too am looking for feedback about lyssa runes. because my initial guess is that trying to save the cleanse for when it will matter is going to get in the way of using the mortar kit to its full effectiveness, in a way far more detrimental than say… krait or sunless. but im not particularly willing to shuck out 25-30g to try it for an hour or 5 (because for me its either… buy an exotic armor set or overwrite melandru or strength runes, obvious choice is obvious but isnt to my liking).

anyways, sorry for derailing your thread by talking about condi cleanses other than lyssa runes.

Does mortar trigger the lyssa runes only by switching to this kit?

Lupanic.6502:

Does mortar trigger the lyssa runes only by switching to this kit?

I would imagine so, like with weapon swap.

insanemaniac.2456:

i too am looking for feedback about lyssa runes. because my initial guess is that trying to save the cleanse for when it will matter is going to get in the way of using the mo

Those runes act against nearby foes don’t they so may not be of much use with the mortar being a long range weapon.

Things to note about lyssa rune.
1)It doesn’t convert conditions to boons based on the new condi to boons conversion method a.net presented with the resent patch.
2)bonus 6 got 45 sec (IC) so no swap abuse.
3)There is a small delay between the elite activation and the condi conversion effect , during this time if u get CC, the condi conversion will not activate.

morrolan.9608:

Lupanic.6502:

Does mortar trigger the lyssa runes only by switching to this kit?

I would imagine so, like with weapon swap.

insanemaniac.2456:

i too am looking for feedback about lyssa runes. because my initial guess is that trying to save the cleanse for when it will matter is going to get in the way of using the mo

Those runes act against nearby foes don’t they so may not be of much use with the mortar being a long range weapon.

lemme think about this a bit:

so the thing with these runes is that they dont proc while out of combat. so to engage from a distance you can be in mortar without wasting your proc, but once you are a bit closer mortar isnt generally the optimal place to be because of lowish damage and slow projectile speed and utility fields. so any of these runes can be used for effect, because it isnt that big of a problem to just not use mortar. however, there do come times when you want those utility fields… and those are generally times when youre certain theyll hit, specifically the blind and chill, which means shooting them at your feet for the lowest travel time, which means your opponent is in melee with you. if your opponent is in melee, the offensive procs from sunless and krait will hit. if your opponent is in melee, that doesnt mean you will want a condi cleanse necessarily. so i think the use case for lyssa runes is less synergistic. it just doesnt match as well, but it prolly is a lot stronger than krait or sunless when used optimally (but i cant say for sure because i havent used even 1 of the 3). but another factor for even considering them is if youre power or condi — and if youre power then lyssa is the only decent choice because the other 2 are clearly condi runes.

i guess the tldr is that i think krait and sunless are something you wont mind having 99% of the time, but lyssa is something you wont mind having 80-90% of the time. numbers subject to inaccuracy, but krait/sunless number significantly bigger than lyssa number.

LughLongArm.5460:

Things to note about lyssa rune.
1)It doesn’t convert conditions to boons based on the new condi to boons conversion method a.net presented with the resent patch.
2)bonus 6 got 45 sec (IC) so no swap abuse.

kitten .

@ coglin: You…do realize that trying to police a thread (without being a moderator) really just derails the thread more than just ignoring off topic posts, right? Just take the free bump and get over it.

As for the runes, I still don’t see the post-nerf lyssa runes as being worth it for most builds. Mokittenoes let you get as much uptime as possible on the 6 set bonus, but the 45 sec cd is still kinda long.

The biggest reason I’d not pick up Lyssa over alternatives is due to the precision stat on it. Yea, precision can be nice for ensuring procs like IA, but power is a better stat for power builds and condition damage is a better stat for condition builds.

If I wanted reduction on conditions, I’d go with Hoelbrak runes. They don’t remove conditions, but the reduction applies to all conditions, which means you’re not tied to RNG for survival.