Guild Wars 2

Am i only one that thinks scrapper needs more stability?
Dodge trait isn’t enough and toss elixir b has only 180 radius without stunbreak.
Also don’t want to camp flamethrower all the time.
I’d like a skill like “Stand Your Ground!”: Big radius, stunbreak and stability for yourself and allies.

i think a little buff to toss elixir b would be enough. maybe a little cooldown reduction, a little duration increase an one or two stacks more

Scrapper already gets stability when function gyro is used. 2 stacks in fact. Anything more and it would be overkill.

Yeah, I don’t know why the elite gyro didn’t pulse stability instead of stealth. It would mean we could fully utilise kits and not be forced to camp flamethrower for it which is never really advised. The stealth seemed a bit out of place compared to the stability. However, they might’ve thought it’d be a bit OP.

Uh, no? We have plenty of sources. More stability—especially more AoE stability—would actually be OP.

Bacon.1835:

Scrapper already gets stability when function gyro is used. 2 stacks in fact. Anything more and it would be overkill.

The problem with that is you have to have somebody to rez or stomp, and the function gyro doesn’t even work half the time anyway.

To be useful, you need on demand stab. You also need the ability to pile up way more than 2 stacks of it on demand (such as with Virtues), on a good push you can lose a half dozen stacks instantly.

We won’t see Guardian style stab on the Engineer I’m afraid (though playing both I wish we could just so there’d be one viable alternative to the Guardian). Arenanet had a chance here to have something besides GWEN, but it won’t happen, Scrapper stab is too selfish. Yes I’m aware they don’t care and the WvW meta is incidental.

If the intent is to push the Scrapper into the front line party, camping FT is simply not an option, it helps yes, but it’s just one stack it’ll be gone instantly, and the auto attack is going to kill you very quickly.

Thrown Elixir B might help some, the trouble is when you’re getting rocked and shifting, it’s really not going to be practical in a lot of situations to use that. It would be fine right before the push I suppose.

lorddarkflare.9186:

Uh, no? We have plenty of sources. More stability—especially more AoE stability—would actually be OP.

Yeah because screw anything that would actually create a viable alternative to GWEN, and screw anyone who realizes the pirate ship meta is worse than the hammer train. :p

LunacyPolish.4602:

lorddarkflare.9186:

Uh, no? We have plenty of sources. More stability—especially more AoE stability—would actually be OP.

Yeah because screw anything that would actually create a viable alternative to GWEN, and screw anyone who realizes the pirate ship meta is worse than the hammer train. :p

I had no idea we were discussing WvW. Happens a lot on this board.

Sorry.

That said, OneHitWonder’s suggestion seems to be a pretty good approach. The solution does not (and probably should not) be a copy of ‘Stand Your Ground’ to be good.

LunacyPolish.4602:

lorddarkflare.9186:

Uh, no? We have plenty of sources. More stability—especially more AoE stability—would actually be OP.

Yeah because screw anything that would actually create a viable alternative to GWEN, and screw anyone who realizes the pirate ship meta is worse than the hammer train. :p

Lets not also forget that we have pulsing stability on elixir X which is very handy in zerg on zerg action. Nevertheless, hammer block, tool kit block, elixir S and hammer evade all supplement your needs far greater than actual stability in WvW.

Stability was also my main problem when trying to run frontline scrapper. Survivability and tankiness was outstanding, but the lack of stability really hurt.

What Scrapper misses is reliable stability. Stabilization Core isn’t reliable.

Also Perfectly Weighted isn’t on pair with other GM traits.
Perfectly Weighted: 2 stacks stability for 3s on successful evade on 5s ICD.
Revenant gets 1 stack stability for 2,5s on dodge (already superior to PW) with Unwavering Avoidance as a minor (superior²) master trait without ICD (superior³).
Perfectly Weighted should be changed to stability being activated on dodge without ICD. Endurance regeneration functions as natural ICD.

But what really misses is something like Balanced Stance, Dolyak Signet or Armor of Earth. A Stunbreak with a bunch of stability stacks, not only 1 or 2. Sadly Gyros deliver none of these.

let elixir B give also stability on use and increase the radius on throwing elixir to 300.

Bacon.1835:

LunacyPolish.4602:

lorddarkflare.9186:

Uh, no? We have plenty of sources. More stability—especially more AoE stability—would actually be OP.

Yeah because screw anything that would actually create a viable alternative to GWEN, and screw anyone who realizes the pirate ship meta is worse than the hammer train. :p

Lets not also forget that we have pulsing stability on elixir X which is very handy in zerg on zerg action. Nevertheless, hammer block, tool kit block, elixir S and hammer evade all supplement your needs far greater than actual stability in WvW.

Hammer block only attacks infront of you, not sure but a line of warding you cannot run through with block and necro fear field are mostly unblockable, elixir s is good, but you cannot do anything while it is active.

Right now there is no reason to play the scrapper over a guardian at wvw , gyros do nothing to fill the lack of skills that the enginner actually needs , what bother me more it’s that at 20 days for the release of the expansion we receive the scrapper in this bad state , u don’t need a beta to realize that this elite specialization has a bad design.

I think Perfectly Weighted giving stability on dodge, not on evade, would fix the entire issue. I also think people need to remember this is a MMO, so they can (and will) make changes after the 23rd.

Haralin.1473:

Bacon.1835:

LunacyPolish.4602:

lorddarkflare.9186:

Uh, no? We have plenty of sources. More stability—especially more AoE stability—would actually be OP.

Yeah because screw anything that would actually create a viable alternative to GWEN, and screw anyone who realizes the pirate ship meta is worse than the hammer train. :p

Lets not also forget that we have pulsing stability on elixir X which is very handy in zerg on zerg action. Nevertheless, hammer block, tool kit block, elixir S and hammer evade all supplement your needs far greater than actual stability in WvW.

Hammer block only attacks infront of you, not sure but a line of warding you cannot run through with block and necro fear field are mostly unblockable, elixir s is good, but you cannot do anything while it is active.

Hammer blocks in all directions from any range just like any other block.

I’ve seen a lot of people say this, and nearly every time I go make sure that I am experiencing differently before I reply. I’m 99% sure what you and others are seeing is just the delay in when the actual block takes effect. It’s about halfway through the skill use, then it continues for awhile after where it definitely blocks normally.

Moving the stability from the Thrown Elixir B to the utility Elixir B seems like it would be a reasonable compromise. The thrown elixir is either bugged or the tooltip is wrong but it is giving 5 stability stacks instead of 3. I would prefer the former if it is moved to the utility but if it was intended to be 3 stability stacks then so be it. Just move the stability to the utility.