Guild Wars 2

It is all GWEN in T1/T2. As an engi you can’t get groups or get assigned to stomp duty with the rest of the leather armors. Staff ele and necro wells are just that much better than any thing engies can offer.

It is getting so bad on my server that the comanders will stop the pin and demand/wait for you to login front line or Ele / Necro. Rangers have it just as bad as us.

Mortar is ok but it is clearly not enough to make a dent in the meta.

All I do is WvW I don’t care about anything else. If you are having a different experience you probably aren’t playing top end where efficiency matters. I don’t wanna hear about your scrub experince in t8 where that one time you killed a ranger

I am not sure why anet has designed a game with the worse class shunning even if there is no healers tanks or cc primaries. All they have to do is balance direct damage and they are doing a bad job of it

I am in a large T1 guild and most of my experience differs from yours. I get asked for my mortar water. My pin, when I am not pinned, loves my low cool down EG Fumigate that converts condition to boons. They love my ability to stomp with elixir S.

Maybe you need to educate others about what you can do to aid them. We set an entire mid line group to support the front line and protect the backline.

By the way, why do you assume T8 is full of scrubs? How long were you on a T8 server to make that claim?

Sure, the profession can use some work and benefiting changes, but making your post is such a combative and accusatory manner doesn’t help your case.

Besides, I solo camps faster then any of those other professions, which is benifitial as all get out, and I find dispatching those thieves that try to gank back liners or random trying to get somewhere to be very good at making everyone happy.

I find the engineer to be ideal for roaming thieves and mesmers that give others trouble. I wish I got a title for being such a good destroyer of stealth spammers.

dancingmonkey.4902:

I am in a large T1 guild and most of my experience differs from yours. I get asked for my mortar water. My pin, when I am not pinned, loves my low cool down EG Fumigate that converts condition to boons. They love my ability to stomp with elixir S.

Maybe you need to educate others about what you can do to aid them. We set an entire mid line group to support the front line and protect the backline.

By the way, why do you assume T8 is full of scrubs? How long were you on a T8 server to make that claim?

Sure, the profession can use some work and benefiting changes, but making your post is such a combative and accusatory manner doesn’t help your case.

Besides, I solo camps faster then any of those other professions, which is benifitial as all get out, and I find dispatching those thieves that try to gank back liners or random trying to get somewhere to be very good at making everyone happy.

I find the engineer to be ideal for roaming thieves and mesmers that give others trouble. I wish I got a title for being such a good destroyer of stealth spammers.

Yeah we can put water on tag but a staff ele does it 10x better. So they take you for fumigate? I am going to stop right there and thank you for the bags. Elixir S stomps really?

As for the stealth killer role you need to spec entirely for it and it is only good for mesmer in keeps. Rangers do that much better with taunt and sickem

There are good roamers in t8 but their experience will be vastly different from mine.

Thing is I can’t educate my commanders in things that aren’t true and I know (and they know) I should login my staff ele.

Your making many statements that are contrary to my experience. Do you have any argument to support your declarations? Or even some suggestions for changes you feel would help? Otherwise, your simply complaining, and with out anything that is constructive, your countering your own desire to solve your perceive issue.

As far as your direct comparison to the ele, that is more of an issue with the game design itself and not the engineer as a profession.

You play in t1, you play by their rules.

Us scrubs feel bad for you, honest ~_^

I think Engineer isn’t that good in zergs myself because of reflects and retaliation, but I’m curious on why Eles are better at placing water fields.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Geyser 20s cooldown
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing_Rain 45 second cooldown

As opposed to
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Regenerating_Mist 21s cooldown
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Burst 20s cooldown (if you don’t pick it up)
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elixir_Shell 30s cooldown

Even excluding cleansing burst it would seem like a lot of water fields.

The ele could take water cooldowns and reduce cooldowns for both skills, while the engineer would need 1 trait apiece for the toolbelt and elixir with healing turret being unable to be reduced in cooldown. On the other hand, you’d forego cantrip cooldowns on ele which would be a pretty big decrease in survival.

Also, with the exception of the overcharge healing turret, the cast times are faster than staff eles as well. Well, I guess regenerating mist is more difficult to blast.

Our waterfields are good but except the mortar shell they are pretty short and can only work in very coordinated guild zergs.
Also ele’s dont have the refect problem we suffer from.
Granted engi’s can focus fire better than eles can with the toolbelt pull and grenade rifle combos.

Synosius.9876:

You play in t1, you play by their rules.

Us scrubs feel bad for you, honest ~_^

Yeah now I feel bad about saying that.. so now everyone feels bad.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Your making many statements that are contrary to my experience. Do you have any argument to support your declarations? Or even some suggestions for changes you feel would help? Otherwise, your simply complaining, and with out anything that is constructive, your countering your own desire to solve your perceive issue.

As far as your direct comparison to the ele, that is more of an issue with the game design itself and not the engineer as a profession.

I am not going to tell anet how to fix their game unless they pay me. I am not going to tell you how to play because you are walking around with my precursor.

This is just a dissatisfied customer lodging a complaint.

For starters, look into the Juggernaut trait in firearms, you may find it quite effective in wvw zergs

Also, Toss Elixir U, coupled with HGH, OP vs projectiles

Hoelbrak + Mecha Legs + -40% food = freedom

some people are stuck in a 2 year old meta

Rocknull.2986:

some people are stuck in a 2 year old meta

It is all GWEN / Pirate ship as far as I can tell. Either that or humping siege (hi YB). I don’t see anything else aside from some small guild groups that eventually get run over by map blobs

Synosius.9876:

You play in t1, you play by their rules.

Us scrubs feel bad for you, honest ~_^

By this logic Engi should not exist in T1. I think we should find another source.

Isaac.7534:

For starters, look into the Juggernaut trait in firearms, you may find it quite effective in wvw zergs

Also, Toss Elixir U, coupled with HGH, OP vs projectiles

Hoelbrak + Mecha Legs + -40% food = freedom

ft 11111111111111111111

quercus.9261:

It is all GWEN in T1/T2. As an engi you can’t get groups or get assigned to stomp duty with the rest of the leather armors. Staff ele and necro wells are just that much better than any thing engies can offer.

It is getting so bad on my server that the comanders will stop the pin and demand/wait for you to login front line or Ele / Necro. Rangers have it just as bad as us.

Mortar is ok but it is clearly not enough to make a dent in the meta.

All I do is WvW I don’t care about anything else. If you are having a different experience you probably aren’t playing top end where efficiency matters. I don’t wanna hear about your scrub experince in t8 where that one time you killed a ranger

I am not sure why anet has designed a game with the worse class shunning even if there is no healers tanks or cc primaries. All they have to do is balance direct damage and they are doing a bad job of it

Lol they will legit stop their zerg for a few people not having the right profession in WvW? you know what you do at that point? Sit there with them, go afk and do something else while coming back to do a few skills/move a bit every so often. Trust me, they will give up eventually.

At some point your server will start losing objectives and they will have no one to blame but themselves. If you really wanted to kitten them off and teach them a lesson, give their positions away to enemy servers while they are sitting there waiting for people to switch professions.

Nobody in an MMORPG, especially GW2 has the authority to tell others what to do, just because they own a commander tag doesn’t mean what they say holds any more weight than someone that didn’t spend 100g on a tag.

hi

im a t8 scrub
i have some questions:
have you ever soloed a keep, tower, or sm?
have you ever soloed a 250 camp?
have you ever killed a guarded yak (by 5x+ more ppl than your group)?
have you ever won a 1v3 or better?
have you ever gotten a kill on a person or siege behind a closed gate?
have you ever thought about finding a different person to follow?
do you carry 20?

i was in t1 for 6 months or so, i moved back to t7-8 when the transfer model changed. i rarely had the issues you experience, however i did have issues sometimes with the commander simply refusing to move unless people grouped up into at least 2 parties (without class restrictions). i normally played after na prime to avoid queues because t8 has ruined queuing for me, i cant do it, and that was a bit of a low period for tc so the commanders were more willing to work with what they had especially because tc didnt really have more than 1 inconsistent late na / ocx raid.

if i had joined a guild, i certainly would have changed my push to talk to something more convenient than right ctrl and called my mortar waters (post 6/23) and slick shoes engages (pre 6/23).

frankly post-6/23 i dont see a frontline place for engi in a zerg, altho dm and coglin have been making commanding builds work. what can work doesnt mesh with my preferred playstyle i guess, which is/was to try to surprise the enemy with something unexpected and make heavy use of the element of confusion to win at a fight scale instead of survive at a personal scale. i dont see that being effective as a frontline zerger without cloaking device, so i did what i could from backline. its fun sometimes still, but it just doesnt have a playmaker feel, so i dont really miss t1 in engis current state.

anyways, stop being a sheeple. your commander will appreciate you having a brain. you dont have to follow someone who doesnt appreciate you.

This is part of why I have solo roamed since day one. Running around with a zerg on T1 is not challenging.

@insanemaniac.2456 I know these weren’t directed at me but they sounds fun to answer.

have you ever soloed a keep, tower, or sm? Tower yep, Keep on duoed, SM not an option in T1

have you ever soloed a 250 camp? Yes.

have you ever killed a guarded yak (by 5x+ more ppl than your group)?Yes than laughed too my hearts content.

have you ever won a 1v3 or better? Yes.

have you ever gotten a kill on a person or siege behind a closed gate? Yep.

have you ever thought about finding a different person to follow? I am in One Player Army there has only been one player ot follow ME!

do you carry 20? Naw my point are all over the place though I should shoot for this could be useful.

I think most roamers would say yes to most of these. OP is playing an entirely different game imho. Roaming vs Zerging are like apples and oranges.

I have soloed stonemist on NA T1. So I do not know how you declare it as not an option.

On the bright side, maybe the Forge will bring something interesting to the Engineer for WvW.

dancingmonkey.4902:

I have soloed stonemist on NA T1. So I do not know how you declare it as not an option.

eh, i havent even soloed it, ive duoed it (and considering how easy that felt im pretty sure i could solo it. on a power build.) … but ive never gotten lucky with hiding and i dont like solo building siege for 2 gates so i dont try often and when i have tried someone else has come along. plus you have to at least be able to solo a keep to be able to solo sm and that already cuts out ~99% of players.

i can easily see how he wouldnt consider it an option :p

insanemaniac.2456:

dancingmonkey.4902:

I have soloed stonemist on NA T1. So I do not know how you declare it as not an option.

eh, i havent even soloed it, ive duoed it (and considering how easy that felt im pretty sure i could solo it. on a power build.) … but ive never gotten lucky with hiding and i dont like solo building siege for 2 gates so i dont try often and when i have tried someone else has come along. plus you have to at least be able to solo a keep to be able to solo sm and that already cuts out ~99% of players.

i can easily see how he wouldnt consider it an option :p

That’s a good point, seems like it’d be pretty lucky to be able to build a siege thingy, run back get supply and continue building it without being caught. Bravo to whomever can do that

Late nigh, when a big three way battle is going on elsewhere, you kind of need a big distraction in order to be left alone.

Outside of busted burn mechanics i dont really see a place for Engi, i even made a lols vid for burning engineer.

You want frontliners you are going to take Guards and maybe a couple warriors. Burst?Mesmers and thieves, backline? Necros and Eles.

It’s not just the water fields, staff eles AoE does a kittenton of damage that cannot be reflected, it’s all at good range, and the staff has some nice utility. Im struggling to see where the engi AoE DPS comes from. Grenades are shorter range/radius then staff ele DPS and can be reflected, Orbital Strike, is every 40 seconds, you can drop fields with the mortar sure so that is 1 positive. Is it enough of a positive to take 1 over an Ele though?

Efficient DPS for engineer is mid to melee range, having said all that if it’s a PuG blob people just bring whatever to WvW, hell even up levels.

But if you are taking your game to the next level then optimisation comes into play. People will want you in/on classes/specs/gear choices that best suit the group/guild. In this instance im hard pressed to find a place for engi outside the above mentioned broken burn mechanics.

I agree that in a well organised guild group there is rarely a place for an engi.

However, I have lately being enjoying running a knight/zerker rifle/mortar/elixir build as a part of semi-organised public groups.

It is a little jack-of-all trades, but I find my key role is AoE burst via mortar+elixir U/B – similar damage output to necro wells. And then where possible, pull/cc/immob and snipe backliners. Secondary roles are backup reflects (throw elixir U) and water (elixir shell). Also, sustained DPS on siege weapons is one of the real strengths.

Another plus, especially for semi-organised groups is that this engi build is also pretty effective for roaming. Thus you can easily get back to groups, or break off to take camps/resupply without worrying about being ganked – something that is a real risk for most backline zerg builds.

Yes, there are always going to be people that want specialised roles above all else, but I believe in many groups there is room for a handful of good, flexible players that can rapidly transition between AoE DPS, pick-team single target DPS, and support.

quercus.9261:

Synosius.9876:

You play in t1, you play by their rules.

Us scrubs feel bad for you, honest ~_^

Yeah now I feel bad about saying that.. so now everyone feels bad.

I play in a large T1/T2 guild, and I am fine on engi. Your leadership is bad.

My guild has my engineer on its pick team and I’ve been getting solid results with S/D’s combined CC and burst. It will be even better once magnet is fixed.

A pug commander demanding specific level 80s without considering the fact that people may not have optimally geared GWEN characters is the equivalent of entering a LFG for a dungeon without specifying any requirements and then demanding people come back with zerker, except nobody entered the LFG; they’re just decided it’d be that way on the map! Of course, it’s perfectly fine to just request these things.

I mean private guild runs sure, don’t hang around. But in these cases, it’s pretty ridiculous and you might end up crippling your own numbers. What if there’s a queue?

Furthermore, I just find it difficult to take seriously when people probably don’t know anything about the classes their shun, relying on anecdotes, and are most likely parroting stuff they heard from others, or maybe they saw it’s not on metabattle, it must be bad. The generalizations are sorta huge on this. I also think Engineer is at quite a disadvantage in terms of absolute power in groups, but at least I know something about most of the classes involved.

But I don’t accept various things as absolute truth, for example, I noted that Engineers have more water fields than staff eles available considering cooldowns so I don’t understand why they say eles do water fields better but this gets passed around as fact. However, it’s fairly hard to dispute that Engineers have little answer to Ele meteor rains, static fields, unsteady ground, and whatever the chill skill is. Eles have a teleport in addition to having mist form. Is it possible that having so many of them could be redundant that an engineer could fit in? Well, that’s the other problem. Classes like Guardians and eles that have such strong support scale better in larger numbers. I’m just not too sure if Engineers really do and can do it without getting eaten by retaliation. Well, fumigate does clear a lot of condis off though.

Though jack of all trades can be useful in ad hoc groups in wvw when you have no time to organize and you must grab every random person on the map you see. In this case, I find it rather hard to play as W and especially EN because it’s very easy to get picked off without the help of enough guardians. Expecting the enemy to wait for your ideal composition and organization I think is an even more unrealistic scenario and with maps getting bigger and more complex, this gets even harder.