Guild Wars 2

As a returning player I’m glad to say I’m back! (Hot and mawdrey helped with that aspect)

anyways I noticed the new Stat combo and wonder if it has any viable use.

wvw, spvp, or Pve: Gimme the skinny.

Condition damage > precision = power.
It’s the “condition zerker” as some call it.

WvW and PvP probably / definitly too squishy for a condi build. Maybe for some cheese builds.
PvE condi is only good for soloing champs → slightly less dps but tanky in exchange. These stats just keep you sqhishy AND you deal less damage than zerk.

No, those stats are infact terrible.

Pretty sure soloing many dungeon bosses it’s your best option. Pretty much unless a boss ignores conditions it’s better than zerk/assassin for solo purposes, outside that, no, not really worth it.

Welcome back. PvE conditions are fine.

I get great damage in PvE with this gear in my testing experiences. Although you will encounter irrational elitest that demand you build or play, their way, before they will play with you. Most of them have never done the math to know what your doing, damage wise anyway.

I will offer this OP, in your time back, you may want to simply learn to bypass anyone that uses the terms “cancer” or “cheese” when talking about builds. In my experienced, those are often folks who are making a conscience effort to try to attach unreasonable and artificial, negative connotations to aspects of the game they dislike, or don’t understand. Generally to attempt to force their way of doing things, on the community.

coglin, the only problem with it is that you’re pushing engi damage even more towards conditions that as I’m sure you know has stacking issues. When a mesmer is traited meta his phantasms will be throwing up quite a few bleed stacks and will cut into my damage pretty substantially.

I agree it’s a solid build, but you just have the typical stacking and buffing issues, in that if you buff properly it becomes worse reletively, and if you have other people overwriting your stuff it’ll do poorly. If you don’t have those two issues, it’s great.

There are only stacking issues if you are competing against others with higher condition damage. I rarely play PvE, but I have done world bosses on oft occasion, and with full maps there, I appear to be the only one to use condition damage. My damage never has had a problem being the priority tick.

Enough folks have shouted it down that no one ever uses it. What are the odds a player is going to join a group and have stacking issues within that group? He asked if it has “viable” use. Are you claiming it is not “viable”?

Interesting I suppose. I was considering making a sinister ascended pistol or 2 to play around with. Granted with Hot coming up I could just be safe and finish my celestial gear with travelers.

on my condi engi alt, i have a sinister/strength set and a rabid/dire/perplex set.

i rather like the sinister better, it does really well for me despite its mild synergistic pitfalls. in a perfect world id use the aristocracy runes i now have, but im lazy about crafting new gear and dont want to overwrite my str runes. additionally, id like to try out sinister/perplex but again the expense breeds lazyness.

coglin.1867:

There are only stacking issues if you are competing against others with higher condition damage. I rarely play PvE, but I have done world bosses on oft occasion, and with full maps there, I appear to be the only one to use condition damage. My damage never has had a problem being the priority tick.

Enough folks have shouted it down that no one ever uses it. What are the odds a player is going to join a group and have stacking issues within that group? He asked if it has “viable” use. Are you claiming it is not “viable”?

I was under the impression that stackable condis (bleed mainly) overwrote regardless, and that the duration ones would take into account condi damage though.

So your burns, sure, confusion, sure, poison sure, bleeds however would be hit.

Is that wrong? I have seen it said that way multiple times including a big list of how condis worked I saw a long time ago.

And… read up, I believe I said it was great, actually better than power builds in solo content, and that the only draw backs are the stacking issues and the fact that it is less responsive to buffing. THat doesn’t come off as saying it’s not viable does it?

I can always go ape crap crazy with the stats after I make my cele armor. Zerker everything else is already on my War :p.

I just figured duel wielding pistols might be a thing again lol. One can dream. That was my beginning type of play back at launch.

Cabpoint.5826:

I can always go ape crap crazy with the stats after I make my cele armor. Zerker everything else is already on my War :p.

I just figured duel wielding pistols might be a thing again lol. One can dream. That was my beginning type of play back at launch.

p/p is definitely a thing, its the thing to do for a condi build in pvp… its just that pve/wvw has perplexity – its not always the best but its pretty crazy, so p/s is about as good as p/p. and thats in the game modes where condis are generally frowned upon for being either bad or cancer, even though they work well at small scales.

The sinister gear works really well for me as part of a larger set. I don’t go full sinister. But I Will combine other pieces with it. Specifically the sinister accessories. So far it seems to be helping my playstyle out quite a bit.

I’ve had problems seeing this being that effective a stat combo for engineers. The damage is just not often as bursty, and if you’re swapping out things like the vitality from carrion or the toughness from rabid (or both from dire), you’re making yourself even easier to kill than you normally are.

If think it’s a much better overall choice for professions like thieves and mesmers who can unload giant bursts while being able to blink and stealth away if they get hurt, whereas an engineer often has to rely on their feet to create proper spacing.

I guess it could be used in a PvE build though… I’ve used a carrion/rabid HGH build which can turn out decent damage, and going sinister would make it even more so if you were able to function just as well without the durability.

The reason to take condi in pve is to get tanky and beat normally hard bosses easier at the cost of damage. It makes no sense to go for the squishy condi stats. You could just roll zerk then and deal much more damage. Unless you want to play condi jff.

Xyonon.3987:

The reason to take condi in pve is to get tanky and beat normally hard bosses easier at the cost of damage. It makes no sense to go for the squishy condi stats. You could just roll zerk then and deal much more damage. Unless you want to play condi jff.

Got any damage numbers to support that claim that it is less DPS?

Strange, if zerk is so much better, why are all these solo run records for engi done with condi? Hmm…

New stats equals new experimenting you know

run on sentence

duel pistol rotation: 2, 5, 3. lala.

Cabpoint.5826:

As a returning player I’m glad to say I’m back! (Hot and mawdrey helped with that aspect)

anyways I noticed the new Stat combo and wonder if it has any viable use.

wvw, spvp, or Pve: Gimme the skinny.

There is no sinister amulet in spvp.

For pve condi is useless in group dungeons because the number of stacks not going higher than 25. The best dungeon engi build is similar to this:
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Engineer_-_Power_Grenadier

For wvw zerging engi is not in the meta, so any build will not be as good as a necro, ele, war or guardian.

For roaming there are options better than sinister. Try dire/rabid.

xDudisx.5914:

For roaming there are options better than sinister. Try dire/rabid.

I use a rampager/celestial hybrid build for roaming, so I could see someone replacing the rampager trinkets by sinister ones, for a bit less precision and more condi damage. But I think that the extra PvE work needed to have the sinister trinkets is too much for the stats it gives. So I’d stick with rampager.