Guild Wars 2

Okay guys, obviously if we get buffed or get some bug fixes, we’re happy this next update.

But I’m asking…what happens if we DON’T GET BUFFED? What if we get nerfed even more?

Let’s be honest here, what are we going to do about it? It’s obvious all our whining ain’t doin jack squat, so what we gonna do? Delete all our Engies? I for one don’t want to as my Engies my first 80 and my main.

But seriously…What are we gonna do? Gather up the remaining 80 Engineers in all of GW2 and march to ArenaNet headquarters and knock or what?

Neverwinter nights is coming out with a MMO isn’t it?

But seriously, guess i’ll just keep on trucking. What else are you going to do? Despite the complaints this is one of the best MMO’s available and I typically stay loyal even if I do so grudgingly sometimes. I also get attached to my mains which makes it doubly hard to act like I would just abandon the class. I wouldn’t mind joining an engineer guild to start being constructive with gear, skills, builds discussions. Sooner or later all classes get nerfed. Either that or they lay down a big OL’ universal nerf.

I gotta get my flamethrowing fix somehow….right? (starts scratching neck)

We… Improvise! Fingers crossed for some buffs tho.
But delete? Never.

FiftyTwoBears.5482:

Okay guys, obviously if we get buffed or get some bug fixes, we’re happy this next update.

But I’m asking…what happens if we DON’T GET BUFFED? What if we get nerfed even more?

Let’s be honest here, what are we going to do about it? It’s obvious all our whining ain’t doin jack squat, so what we gonna do? Delete all our Engies? I for one don’t want to as my Engies my first 80 and my main.

But seriously…What are we gonna do? Gather up the remaining 80 Engineers in all of GW2 and march to ArenaNet headquarters and knock or what?

I’ve got a few weeks off until my next job starts, so let me know if a trip to Anet is in order.

stop playing engineer i guess.

arena net can track who is playing what class and what the over all class diversity is like on a server. if they suddenly notice that less then 10% of all players are actively playing engineer at any given time then i should hope that that raises some kind of red flag for them.

when is the next update? I do not play at the moment, waiting for stats on kits buff. Lets hope they will not nerf my main eng. BTW – eng class was the bad idea, its always like this with new / exotic classes – like with doctor in diablo 3 – the same story…

If they don’t fix the bugs, at least, in the next updates (the ones that’re supposed to introduce an ’expansion’s worth’ of stuff), I’m just going to be done playing. The Engineer wasn’t ready for release, and if they don’t finish it in the big updates, then it’ll be obvious they don’t intend to. I might even regret having spent the money on GW2, if they leave things in their current, buggy state for much longer.

If they just don’t buff us, then there’s nothing to be done but hope that everyone else gets nerfed to our level. The Engineer isn’t balanced to the same standard as the other classes, that much is obvious – it should be, but it isn’t.

Also: Next update is, apparently, the 28th of January. Don’t hold out for weapon stats on kits, though – they’ll get that working and reduce the damage, just like they did with Sigils.

Honestly? I’ve been playing Dark Souls for the past few weeks.

Been a fun time. Yay Christmas gifts.

Engineers are arguably the least played profession in every aspect of the game (WvW/sPvP/PvE).

We have always been, since the very first BWE.

It confuses me as to why ArenaNet tries to enforce this status quo, by making changes that make the Engineer less appealing. Once upon a time you could say “Well, Engineers are such a complex profession that when played to its potential, you excel other professions.” I used to think that was true, in the early days of GW2, but then I realized some professions simply have more going for them.

The thief is the easiest example:

1. Make a glasscannon Rifle engineer (Berserker’s), and attack golems in the sPvP lobby. Watch them die slowly.
2. Make a glasscannon dagger Thief (Berserker’s), and attack golems in the sPvP lobby. Watch them melt in sub 4 seconds.

Which is less played, the engineer or the necromancer?

I’m actually curious, because I rarely see either.

Gilgamesh.2561:

1. Make a glasscannon Rifle engineer (Berserker’s), and attack golems in the sPvP lobby. Watch them die slowly.
2. Make a glasscannon dagger Thief (Berserker’s), and attack golems in the sPvP lobby. Watch them melt in sub 4 seconds.

I’m pretty sure both the Thief (Backstab) and Engi (100 Nades) can melt those golems near instantly. Your example sucks, but I agree that Thieves do more damage then Engineers regardless.

@op
As much I love trolling my class, isn’t this too much? Sounds like we are desperate here? (and the few thread titles you have posted recently)
Although we are under powered and it’s obvious to anyone that our class needs special attention from Anet, I don’t think we are that bad right now that if we don’t get buffed we are never going to viable.
Yes, we don’t excel in any area like other profession, but I always gets surprised when we are able to find different viable build and ways to counters the zergs of nerfs and broken traits/skills like the next day.
It’s the future nerf that I’m worried about.

Now where’s my nerf breakfast?
Can’t wake up without one.
Momma Anet says I need it cos I’m special <3.

LegoTechnic.5910:

Honestly? I’ve been playing Dark Souls for the past few weeks.

Been a fun time. Yay Christmas gifts.

Same !
haha Have you been on the wiki chat?

If so, Heojaua’s the name, been there quite a bit :)

Edit: mad grammar skillz

We go play a different game. If they nerf my necromancer’s AoE and don’t buff either the necromancer or the engineer significantly. I am gone.

Gilgamesh.2561:

Engineers are arguably the least played profession in every aspect of the game (WvW/sPvP/PvE).

We have always been, since the very first BWE.

It confuses me as to why ArenaNet tries to enforce this status quo, by making changes that make the Engineer less appealing. Once upon a time you could say “Well, Engineers are such a complex profession that when played to its potential, you excel other professions.” I used to think that was true, in the early days of GW2, but then I realized some professions simply have more going for them.

The thief is the easiest example:

1. Make a glasscannon Rifle engineer (Berserker’s), and attack golems in the sPvP lobby. Watch them die slowly.
2. Make a glasscannon dagger Thief (Berserker’s), and attack golems in the sPvP lobby. Watch them melt in sub 4 seconds.

holy kitten golems dont dodge!

Fiorrello.8126:

if they suddenly notice that less then 10% of all players are actively playing engineer at any given time then i should hope that that raises some kind of red flag for them.

With 8 professions the perfect spread would be 12,5% for each profession. So 10% wouldnt be a terrible representation and i’d eat my left sneaker if we even have 10% now.
The WvW guild im in just had a large poll to see who plays what as a main. Currently Engineer is scoring below 5%. I’d say 8% overall is already being optimistic.

As for the “what if”. Well people will keep playing Engineer, always someone who plays it up untill the point they delete the profession. But it will simply be even less people then are left playing Engineer now.
I doubt such statistic bother them much, they simply dont know how to deal with the Engineer. And as a result are scared to make sweeping changes because they simply cannot begin to imagine what would happen or what needs to be done.

So i doubt we’ll see anything good happen. Because they wouldnt know where to begin, and because their design filosophy is completely disconnected from reality.

FiftyTwoBears.5482:

Okay guys, obviously if we get buffed or get some bug fixes, we’re happy this next update.

But I’m asking…what happens if we DON’T GET BUFFED? What if we get nerfed even more?

Let’s be honest here, what are we going to do about it? It’s obvious all our whining ain’t doin jack squat, so what we gonna do? Delete all our Engies? I for one don’t want to as my Engies my first 80 and my main.

But seriously…What are we gonna do? Gather up the remaining 80 Engineers in all of GW2 and march to ArenaNet headquarters and knock or what?

I’m going to move on and play something else and never visit these forums again. I’ll also be never visiting anything else Anet or Nexus releases again if that occurs. I’m completely over the mess they made for the past few months and didn’t buy this game to go back to a WoW like system of gameplay. Seriously, i’ve had 6 years of that. It’s dead.

Right now I’m keeping myself busy with Star Trek Online and Legend of Grimrock. It’s fun and keeps me busy.

LegoTechnic.5910:

Which is less played, the engineer or the necromancer?

I’m actually curious, because I rarely see either.

I’m pretty sure the engineer is miles behind necro—Anet hasn’t released any stats on that recently, but a couple weeks after launch necros were middle of the pack and engineers were last. I don’t think engineers have gained a lot since then.

Edit: Oh, and if engineers get nerfed even more they’ll still be super fun to play. I don’t really care about paid tournaments or fractals, and engies can do everything else (with a generous helping of extra effort) so…bring it on, Anet! Engi never gets old. Switch one utility and your entire playstyle changes.

Im just afraid about discussion on AOE nerf. Do we even have single target skills? (rifle yeh good as good can be, pistol dont count singletarget) Most kits are aoe, toolbar is more aoe when prypar hits everything around you. Well, I dont think they touch those or we going to be very intresting class with rifle and turrets that do nothing.

ikiturso.4026:

Im just afraid about discussion on AOE nerf. Do we even have single target skills? (rifle yeh good as good can be, pistol dont count singletarget) Most kits are aoe, toolbar is more aoe when prypar hits everything around you. Well, I dont think they touch those or we going to be very intresting class with rifle and turrets that do nothing.

But we can hipfire sniper rifles with silencers like a boss, looks pretty sexy. And the turrets look intimidating as well.

I’m just gonna say screw it and reroll a warrior because that’s what Anet wants us to play.

I heard that since I’m so good switching around different weapons as engineer that I’ll completely wreck as a warrior.

I was running toolkit as main anyway.

I’m usually a 1 character player in MMOs. In WoW I played all of my 5300 hours on one warlock. Warlocks were free kills at one point (early vanilla) but I stuck with them there.

This is bullcrud though.

If they don’t fix Engineer, i stop playing it, same goes for two other classes i own…

Then i stop playing the game i guess..

If we get nerfed I’m expecting a lot more posts from you OP lol.

I’ll keep playing Engineer till it’s not fun any more, then I’ll stop.

Unfortunately with the nerfs to various bits and pieces (not grenades, I’ve never used them as I don’t want to risk aggravating my RSI) the areas in which I am having fun as an Engineer are becoming fewer and fewer.

binidj.5734:

I’ll keep playing Engineer till it’s not fun any more, then I’ll stop.

Unfortunately with the nerfs to various bits and pieces (not grenades, I’ve never used them as I don’t want to risk aggravating my RSI) the areas in which I am having fun as an Engineer are becoming fewer and fewer.

Exactly, while you are having fun playing your engineer – keep playing it.

Saying that though, that is likely the reason engineer is one of the lowest played classes.

We already know we are very likely going to see a nerf in the next patch containing class balance changes. We should all be prepared for that.

ANet has specifically stated that their next big balance issue is AoE damage versus single target. They see too many players using AoE skills even in 1v1 fights, because the damage of AoE attacks is too comparable to single target attacks. They are either going to reduce the damage of AoE, or increase the damage of single target attacks.

How many attacks does the Engineer have that aren’t AoE?

Circles
Cones
Rebounding
Piercing

Those are all forms of AoE. It doesn’t look good for us.

-Travail.

Travail.7390:

We already know we are very likely going to see a nerf in the next patch containing class balance changes. We should all be prepared for that.

ANet has specifically stated that their next big balance issue is AoE damage versus single target. They see too many players using AoE skills even in 1v1 fights, because the damage of AoE attacks is too comparable to single target attacks. They are either going to reduce the damage of AoE, or increase the damage of single target attacks.

How many attacks does the Engineer have that aren’t AoE?

Circles
Cones
Rebounding
Piercing

Those are all forms of AoE. It doesn’t look good for us.

-Travail.

At the very least i highly doubt we’d actually get buffs, since that would almost certainly mean a buff to aoe damage.
And just staying in the same spot isnt good enough. Engineer needs to move up.