So why so many builds with rifle?

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Posted by: Raghnu.1049

Raghnu.1049

With a kit based build, isnt it better to go pistol/pistol or pistol/shield for the ability to have 2 sigils, and slightly more stat increase (like 1% crit dmg and 1 power (lol)

I see all kinds of builds with rifles, why?

So why so many builds with rifle?

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Posted by: Black Cat.1024

Black Cat.1024

With a kit based build, isnt it better to go pistol/pistol or pistol/shield for the ability to have 2 sigils, and slightly more stat increase (like 1% crit dmg and 1 power (lol)

I see all kinds of builds with rifles, why?

I guess because the rifle is very power based w/ a knockback on a 15 sec cool down which is pretty good.

So why so many builds with rifle?

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Posted by: Raghnu.1049

Raghnu.1049

With a kit based build, isnt it better to go pistol/pistol or pistol/shield for the ability to have 2 sigils, and slightly more stat increase (like 1% crit dmg and 1 power (lol)

I see all kinds of builds with rifles, why?

I guess because the rifle is very power based w/ a knockback on a 15 sec cool down which is pretty good.

for wvw/spvp i guess… but its also a self CC, which is terrible unless you are 1v1ing.

Kit dmg isnt based on weapon damage, so to me its a bit odd all these players are using rifle, and losing out on that second sigil.

Jump shot also doesn’t do enough dmg to justify swapping out of a kit. (in pve at least)

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Posted by: TheGuy.3568

TheGuy.3568

With a kit based build, isnt it better to go pistol/pistol or pistol/shield for the ability to have 2 sigils, and slightly more stat increase (like 1% crit dmg and 1 power (lol)

I see all kinds of builds with rifles, why?

I guess because the rifle is very power based w/ a knockback on a 15 sec cool down which is pretty good.

Imho it is ^this and most builds are still based around Pistol. the thing the a rifle provides is band your your buck. While it does not generally do well in the condition apply meta it is one of the best control weapons in the game. In many cases a long as it isn’t 1 v x it is a dominating weapon that allows you to control your enemy. Also if you do melee blunderbuss and jumpshots you can burst a bit.

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for wvw/spvp i guess… but its also a self CC, which is terrible unless you are 1v1ing.

Kit dmg isnt based on weapon damage, so to me its a bit odd all these players are using rifle, and losing out on that second sigil.

Jump shot also doesn’t do enough dmg to justify swapping out of a kit. (in pve at least)

Self CC isn’t particularity bad as long as you hit your enemy anyone who mains a rifle knows that. It is also a great skill for getting out of red circles quickly and breaking CC.

As it has been stated many times here you use rifle for control and that’s about it. Your swapping to proc on swap sigils and to rec CC the target.

The second sigil wont matter as much if you stack before hand and by don’t care about a 5% damage increase. So even with a rifle I have 2 pistols both corruption to stack before hand.

Use hybrid build, stack some crit damage, use HgH, and do it in melee to an immobilized target. Ohh hell yes it does.

If rifle is not your cup of tea that is fine but its not like it is useless. If you know how to use it does not require much justification if any.

What damage is kit based on?

Each kit acts as its own weapon with its own multipliers etc. The stats from your weapon however (power precision etc), do apply to the kits (except the defense from having a shield equipped).

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Posted by: Black Cat.1024

Black Cat.1024

With a kit based build, isnt it better to go pistol/pistol or pistol/shield for the ability to have 2 sigils, and slightly more stat increase (like 1% crit dmg and 1 power (lol)

I see all kinds of builds with rifles, why?

I guess because the rifle is very power based w/ a knockback on a 15 sec cool down which is pretty good.

for wvw/spvp i guess… but its also a self CC, which is terrible unless you are 1v1ing.

Kit dmg isnt based on weapon damage, so to me its a bit odd all these players are using rifle, and losing out on that second sigil.

Jump shot also doesn’t do enough dmg to justify swapping out of a kit. (in pve at least)

What damage is kit based on?

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Posted by: Wolf.5816

Wolf.5816

Because we’re desperate to play other builds besides HGH.

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Posted by: Kimbald.2697

Kimbald.2697

the kit usually defines the main weapon, and the build certainly does.
Can’t remember seeing a working HGH rifle build or a Static discharge build using pistols.

if the kits are the core of the damage, than some, like me, take the shield for utility. That leaves us with pistol main hand, willing or not…

There are pistol builds, just like rifle builds.
I don’t think one is more dominant than the other to be honest.

pistol-pistol = condition damage
shield -pistol = defensive
rifle = control first and often power-crit burst second

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Posted by: Raghnu.1049

Raghnu.1049

the kit usually defines the main weapon, and the build certainly does.
Can’t remember seeing a working HGH rifle build or a Static discharge build using pistols.

if the kits are the core of the damage, than some, like me, take the shield for utility. That leaves us with pistol main hand, willing or not…

There are pistol builds, just like rifle builds.
I don’t think one is more dominant than the other to be honest.

pistol-pistol = condition damage
shield -pistol = defensive
rifle = control first and often power-crit burst second

Speaking about PVE, there is no reason to be outside of a kit, really. So it’s still better to be p/p or p/s other than the occasional situation.

Wvw or spvp sure, but alot of these builds for PVE include rifle, it’s baffling.

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Posted by: Kimbald.2697

Kimbald.2697

the kit usually defines the main weapon, and the build certainly does.
Can’t remember seeing a working HGH rifle build or a Static discharge build using pistols.

if the kits are the core of the damage, than some, like me, take the shield for utility. That leaves us with pistol main hand, willing or not…

There are pistol builds, just like rifle builds.
I don’t think one is more dominant than the other to be honest.

pistol-pistol = condition damage
shield -pistol = defensive
rifle = control first and often power-crit burst second

Speaking about PVE, there is no reason to be outside of a kit, really. So it’s still better to be p/p or p/s other than the occasional situation.

Wvw or spvp sure, but alot of these builds for PVE include rifle, it’s baffling.

yes, pve you can do entirely in grenades, bombs, flamethrower… as long as the kit does aoe I would say.
Or entirely Elixir gun on single boss fights even.

as for pve builds with rifle: it can be personal preference, or simply some added utility.
Like having sitting duck trait + rifle = a lot more vulnerability and cripple.

Rifle will give the option to burst faster as you wait for the important cooldowns of your kits.

I would take the shield myself, but that too, is personal preference.
I’m not impressed with pistol main hand alone, but the shield I really really like.

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Posted by: Seras.5702

Seras.5702

I used to think the exact same way as the OP. Then I tried out an SD/rifle build for some variety…and fell in love with the rifle. It hits hard for a power build. But most importantly, has incredible control. A low CD immob net shot (my fav). And a knockback (argh self-cc). And a leap with a hard hitting vuln stacking. And a barrel-to-your-noggin kill shot. It’s a great weapon.

Yes, at times I miss the utility of an offhand shield. And only 1 sigil is my biggest gripe (they should really change that).

But the way that Engi are designed right now, you’re generally dealing most of your damage in your kits. Which means your actual weapons are more utility than damage. And in a non-condition build, that means rifle for me.

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Posted by: MonMalthias.4763

MonMalthias.4763

I used to play Grenades, Pistol/Shield, Elixir Gun, Tool Kit and Med Kit for the heal in PvE and WvW. My utility and team support in roaming and dungeons was pretty boss, but I felt that Grenade spam was un-necessarily spammy. I enjoy hitting skillshots like in any other game, but the mass of AOE was bound to hit someone so the skill was diminished. Grenades were also very safe along with Pistol Shield. Blind Grenade, then Static Shot, then Magnetic Inversion and Static Shield along with Toolkit block was just excessive active defense for a very safe ranged DPS build.

So I switched to Rifle, Bombs, Healing Turret, Elixir Gun, Rifle Turret with SD; swapping out Rifle Turret for Toolkit for WvW. Dying a lot more, but I feel that it’s a playstyle that rewards high risk with high reward – if you can hit your Net Shots into Big Ol’ Bomb and Blunderbuss, most things just fall over.

It also forced me to actually play more tactically, really learn my melee spacing and really know how long my bomb fuses took to blow up. It’s also one of the few builds with heavy emphasis on timing, skillshots, heavy use of combo fields, and active defense through CC. I’ll probably never go full SD if only because I feel I’d lose a lot of team utility though I can see the attraction of 100-0’ing people.

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Posted by: Tutankhamun.3679

Tutankhamun.3679

For me it’s the net and the knock back. I run net turret also with FT and Egun. I enjoy knocking enemies off cliffs and points and interrupting stomps.. Pistol and shield would prob be better for the defensive play style but I don’t take the cooldown to shield in the 20 in put into inventions. Prefer the protection and the 20% reduction. Maybe I’m doing it wrong.