Guild Wars 2

I am here to show all you poor little engies that your class isn’t broken because of its glitches nor is it locked into single roll builds. I’m no engineer, my engie is lvl 47 what I am, is a psychotic build crafter with a penchant for making good damage ultra survivable builds on any class I touch. Any one on Dragonbrand that has seen
Fort Aspenwood Invader[FLOT] knows first hand the devastating power of some of my builds (zerker warrior with the gold armor you know who you are).

So when a guildie who is also one of you overly attached engie lovers complained about the lack of good builds and all the bugs and nerfs on engie, I set out on an epic quest to make a build that would stop the endless whinging in our TS channel and bring peace to the realm.

What I came up with breaks the laws of science and is all but unkillable (yes that’s a word…now)

Meet The EOD tech!!!!

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqelsp6ZHwSfF87ISoH2nEqWieUZPml9pAAA;TsAZUCokQpiSBFlXGvEeZ9y5l0LA

This build has been able to survive and stay in front line combat that only the toughest of bunkers can withstand and unlike bunker builds (or crappy tank cats) the EOD tech keeps up consistent damage between 1k and 3k per bomb while healing him (or her) self for about 750 hp a second.

For this build you will need full Ascalon Catacombs Power Toughness Vitality gear with the runes of the monk that come on it. A mix of exotic carrion and soldiers jewelry. Ascalon Catacombs Power Toughness Vitality pistol and shield with a sigil of leeching (best sigil in the game) and a sigil of purity.

Get this gear together and bask in the glory that is an invincible damage dealer that would make 55 monks look like child’s play (look up 55 monk on youtube if you don’t get the reference).

If you would like to see this build in action feel free to whisper me in game and if one of my guilds engies is around we will be happy to take you through the dungeon of your choice or into wvw for some havoc squad action (server permitting).

I’m not 100% sure but weapon swap sigils and on crit sigils are suposedly sharing cd’s

Lurock Turoth.9085:

I am here to show all you poor little engies that your class isn’t broken because of its glitches nor is it locked into single roll builds. I’m no engineer, my engie is lvl 47 what I am, is a psychotic build crafter with a pension for making good damage ultra survivable builds on any class I touch.

im not always that guy, but I think you meant a penchant for making new builds, not a pension. a pension is a retirement dispensary and a penchant is a knack for habitual behaviour. im not being a dick, just saying in case you had an incorrect definition in mind.

Any one on Dragonbrand that has seen
Fort Aspenwood Invader[FLOT] knows first hand the devastating power of some of my builds (zerker warrior with the gold armor you know who you are).

So when a guildie who is also one of you overly attached engie lovers complained about the lack of good builds and all the bugs and nerfs on engie, I set out on an epic quest to make a build that would stop the endless whinging in our TS channel and bring peace to the realm.

What I came up with breaks the laws of science and is all but unkillable (yes that’s a word…now)

Meet The EOD tech!!!!

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqelsp6ZHwSfF87ISoH2nEqWieUZPml9pAAA;TsAZUCokQpiSBFlXGvEeZ9y5l0LA

This build has been able to survive and stay in front line combat that only the toughest of bunkers can withstand and unlike bunker builds (or crappy tank cats) the EOD tech keeps up consistent damage between 1k and 3k per bomb while healing him (or her) self for about 750 hp a second.

For this build you will need full Ascalon Catacombs Power Toughness Vitality gear with the runes of the monk that come on it. A mix of exotic carrion and soldiers jewelry. Ascalon Catacombs Power Toughness Vitality pistol and shield with a sigil of leeching (best sigil in the game) and a sigil of purity.

Get this gear together and bask in the glory that is an invincible damage dealer that would make 55 monks look like child’s play (look up 55 monk on youtube if you don’t get the reference).

If you would like to see this build in action feel free to whisper me in game and if one of my guilds engies is around we will be happy to take you through the dungeon of your choice or into wvw for some havoc squad action (server permitting).

but +1 for sales savvy.

Thanks missed that in my read through. I have never noticed leeching and purity conflicting on my thief or guardian but both have so much condition removal it would be tough to tell what was purity.

I forgot to mention are leeching is stock 975 life steal meaning that not only is it 975 heal but its 975 damage to your opponent.

Got dam engineer community! You are kitten my bank account, buying those sigils and runes, armor sets and all this respeccing!

But anyway, going to test it, and I’ll let you know the results.

Lurock, I have actually been meaning to make a write up for this build and post it, but you beat me to it! I’m the engie that he was talking about that caused this fun, murderous build to occur, and from first hand experience, the only real ways I die in WvW are by being mobbed by a zerg, fighting a group that has a ton of immobolizes, or from screwing up. Any other way, I don’t die.

Also, @Resouled, from personal play, I’m pretty sure that on swap and on crit Sigils aren’t sharing CDs.

Another note, on Weapon Swap sigils are triggered whenever you swap into or out of the bomb kit, whenever you use Elixir S (That includes Self-Regulating Defenses), and whenever you use Elixir X. The Superior Sigil of Leeching also seems to only have around a 4s CD, so that’s always fun.

One last note, don’t forget about the finishers that the Shield has on it. That blast finisher’s very powerful, especially when combined with the Fire Bomb or someone’s light field, because Area Might and Area Retaliation are always fun.

And for a survivability comparison for you PvEers, this build can easily tank the Risen Priest of Grenth without really caring about the damage. Same goes for bosses such as Subject Alpha in CoE explorable.

If you guys ever see a human Engineer running around in WvW with AC Armor, a devil shield, and a grenade launcher for a pistol, and wearing [FLOT] tags, that’s probably me.

So Lurock,

What kind of ennemy do you fight?

Because you mostly focus on bomb and tankness. I would love to see any enemy that stay in your bomb radius.

You only have one immob, that is your glue bomb. Other then that, they are pretty much free to move around.

You also don’t have any swiftness except a random one from heal toolbelt.

An upleveled ranger with poison can prolly kite you to death.

If you want to come out as a hero to the engineer nation, please come up with a descend build that don’t miss vital part like mobility and range.

Edit : I might sound a bit harsh, but when people post new build and try to sound like everyone else failed except them, it gets to me.

I think this build was not meant to kill anyone. By the looks of it, its so you dont die. So his ‘’class saving’’ build is basically worthless to ‘’save the whiners, and the class’‘. He fails to realize and read all of the other threads posted on the flaws the engineer has, too many. But good try on this build, if I ever want to just troll it might be a good build to choose. If I want to kill someone ( which most people do ) i’ll look elsewhere.

This build is pure crap. Bad synergy, no swiftness, endurance dmg traits without any endurance regen or refil, missed best defensive skills and traits and I can continue. You dont survive enough and your dmg will by average. Elixir X is last nail in cofin.

Ok lets take a look at your complaints.

1:
Swiftness, engie as a whole is kinda crap for speed unless you have the Swiftness on kit swap trait and I didnt want the other traits on that line. If you really need swiftness you can swap elixirs H and C for med kit and slick shoes or elixir B but I would not give up C and H is more a personal preference thing.

2:
Immob, lol ok what else are ya gonna do? shoot net shot (the easiest projectile to dodge ever) drop a net turret? sure that will work while some one is on the run.

While in a 1 on 1 fight in pvp those are issues they are not in pve and if your getting into non duel 1v1’s in wvw your a lost cause already. There are no build without any short comings thats why you should try to coordinate your builds with team mates so that they can pick up where your build drops off.

Got to agree with everyone else, I have no idea whom you are fighting, but they must be terrible. I would love to run up against something like this while I’m running burst conditions… easy win.

@Lurock

Elem DD bunker can be more efficient, with more mobility, more cond removal, more CC breaker and more damage.

How just curious how do you land your bomb vs any good player in WvW? You don’t have swiftness, so you are already slower then anyone around. You don’t have gap closer, and only 1 immob/slow that is also a bomb.

It’s a big meat shield, nothing more.

I’m inclined to agree with those expressing skepticism about how effective this build really is, but hey, I haven’t tested it. What I can say is that builds like this are nothing new; for instance, something like:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcQQFAUl0pyXHwynF17ISoHFmEqWieofWmj9pgcB;TkAgzCmo2xsjYH7Oudk7MEB

(copy/paste link as always)

has been floating around for months for engis that want to bunker in sPvP or tPvP, or who just want to be hard to kill in WvW. On paper, I really can’t see how your build has any advantage over the one I just posted, which seems to have much better synergies: power from toughness and healing, good protection uptime, rifle as opposed to pistol with power (and a lack of cond damage/crit), net shot with bombs (not that you’ll really get anyone trying to run away with bombs in any case, but it still helps with landing them), plus a little might stacking as gravy.

While it is always great to see people working on innovating with the engineer, and I do think there is a lot of unexplored building space in this class, I suggest you drop the attitude. Posting like you’re the second coming of engineers and then serving up what appears to be a crappier version of a solid, but typical, engineer bunker build makes it very hard for people to take you and your build seriously. If you really think what you’ve got is something that will revolutionize the way engineers play, you’ve got to back it up with things like gameplay videos, class-by-class breakdown of 1v1 strategies, details on how to handle 1vX situations, and so on.

This build is nothing better than a tanking/bomb build to farm badges with because the profession is unfinished…..so I hate to ruin your “uber build”. I personally roll with a similar build with knights just to farm badges, yet actually do some damage. I would like to buy PVT gear myself, but at this state of the engineer I’d be better going PVT on a warrior with greatsword/Axe-Axe to farm badges.

@Ink

You wrote it better that I could.

Thanks man.

Lurock Turoth.9085:

Ok lets take a look at your complaints.

1:
Swiftness, engie as a whole is kinda crap for speed unless you have the Swiftness on kit swap trait and I didnt want the other traits on that line. If you really need swiftness you can swap elixirs H and C for med kit and slick shoes or elixir B but I would not give up C and H is more a personal preference thing.

2:
Immob, lol ok what else are ya gonna do? shoot net shot (the easiest projectile to dodge ever) drop a net turret? sure that will work while some one is on the run.

While in a 1 on 1 fight in pvp those are issues they are not in pve and if your getting into non duel 1v1’s in wvw your a lost cause already. There are no build without any short comings thats why you should try to coordinate your builds with team mates so that they can pick up where your build drops off.

Man maybe you can easily make build on you warrior on paper because its simple class and it will work without deeper class and mechanics understanding but not on engi.
You talk about team building and you can offer exactly what? Bombs what heal for 300? One crapy aoe condi removeal with long cd? Only what you can offer is big bomb for kb and as finisher but again you lost 50% of its potential because you missing traits from last traitline.

This build is pathetic. There is no damage, yet the only way to do that 0 damage is by standing right next to the enemies. Trying to do ranged damage with your pistol/shield is even worse. You’d probably be healing enemies with that kitten.

The pros:
—Engineers do well with P/T/V gear since healing power doesn’t help all that much.
—Bombs are a great defensive weapon, and if your enemies’ builds are dependent on melee you can often force them back. AA scales great with power and fire and confusion hit hard even without much condition damage. Also, the long delay means you can put more red circles out at the same time, scaring people.
—Sigil of leeching is apparently bugged, making it better for engineers than it should be.

The cons:
—Bomb healing without that healing power should be about 185/bomb. Bomb drop speed is actually slower than the 1/2 second tooltip. Healing from constant bombs in this build should be around 275/second. Backpack regenerator is a flat 125/second.
—4% crit chance will have trouble activating sigil of purity. 1/25 attacks, not including possible overlap on sigil cooldown.
—No 409 or HgH? With these two you could have swapped elixir C for elixir B, had better condition removal, better damage, and better crit/procs.

I like bomberman builds, but agree with the above posters. While I agree that an engineer can be very effective, I’d advise against claiming to be the savior of an entire profession until you’ve got a really, really good and very original build.

As someone using a variant of this build, the idea that it lacks range is hardly true. You do have a pistol and shield, and they do damage. The build above actually does even more damage than mine. This build isn’t a build that will work for your average player, you don’t run up and drop bombs at the lone ranger’s feet. You use the class correctly and you won’t be troubled by rangers or pistol wielding thieves. (I have extensively played my lvl 80 mesmer, necro, thief, ranger, engineer and warrior in WvW and have used both common and uncommon builds on all of them). All of them can be extraordinarily powerful, especially in skilled hands, at the same time they can utterly suck in other’s hands.

Versatility is the ability to adapt and match a situation. This is something the engineer has no shortage of, the rangers are the ones that generally struggle more with this. (Not discounting them at all).

If your fighting something that insists on being at max range at all times, shoot their sorry rear, you have a pistol for a reason. There is always that stupid thief that runs around doing nothing but blinding and using his pistols (generally have foostivoo the merry following them), or the ranger at 1500 that refuses to come closer. Sure, your not probably going to effectively kill them. Few classes are really amazing at knocking off these folks off if their good.

This build is plenty capable of damage, no you won’t be seeing 8k crits, but you will do more than enough damage to down all but the best tanks. (they certainly won’t be downing you either). Its not a build that those obsessed with seeing at least 6k hits at all times will like. And frankly if your dead, your not doing any damage.

Also..last time I checked..most skilled players don’t go run off alone in WvW (thieves/mesmers excluded). WvW is about teamwork, this build is fully capable of it, you have several forms of combo fields, powerful maintenance healing that can render some builds nearly unkillable.

On the topic of D/D elementalists in WvW. Not sure what they actually do other than be slightly annoying, some seem to do damage, but they die easily enough, or they don’t die at all, but generally can be seen running away at ungodly speeds. I’ve seen some pretty effective builds in skilled players hands, but nothing that scares any of my commonly used builds/classes.

Also if range was such an issue for the bomb kit. Half the worlds warriors and guardians would be very sad. After all…if this thread is to be believed you have to have range and massive damage to be good. I’ve met some frighteningly good warriors and guardians that have less range than the bomb kit.

Also if you can’t tell from the salespitch Lurock gave, there was a lot of sarcasm aimed at how whiny these forums actually are. Clearly that was not understood either..

@Icewielder

You think forum poster reacting from a half bad build posted by someone insulting everyone is a proof? Any poster would react like that.

Post anything like that in any other forum, you’ll receive the same welcome.

Your solution to fight range : Use pistol.

So your tips to any class that will range your build (Ranger, Ranged thief (wild bill and all the rest), Mesmer, HGH Engineer, Necromancer) is to use a untraited, condition weapon in a power only build? This isn’t going to win any fight. You also give up all your healing by switching to pistol. No kitRegenarator, No infused bomb.

Drakeco and Maskaganda are both solo roaming Engineer, and I doubt they are bad. Mostly any build can be effective in a zerg fight. If you count on allies to immob your enemy, sure it’s not a bad build. But not sure it’s viable ether.

About DD Elem, I will ask you to seek a bit more. Right now, in sPvP they are the top Dog, even after the nerf. In WvW, they are unnerfed and they are still the best roamer around in the hand of a good player. Hybrid Elem hit hard, and are hard to down. They are an example of what this build should do.

The difference between Warriors and guardians, is they have gap closer, and there attack are instant. They don’t have a 3/4 sec delay before there damage explode like our bombs.

Any non-crippled/non-immob/non-chilled player will usually evade 75% of your bomb. A free to move player should evade any kind of Big Ol Bomb.

If the attitude would have been different in the original post, I’m sure the answer would have been more understanding. Wouldn’t make this build anymore good then it is, but still would be a better discution.

Someone posting with the “I’M better than any of you without even playing the class” attitude receiving negative reply, how the hell could this happen?

Rozbuska.5263:

This build is pure crap. Bad synergy, no swiftness, endurance dmg traits without any endurance regen or refil, missed best defensive skills and traits and I can continue. You dont survive enough and your dmg will by average. Elixir X is last nail in cofin.

If you think Elixir X is bad…I can pretty much assume then you might be a

I’m sorry but this build is terrible, like others have said. I don’t know what kind of opponents you fight andI don’t know how you survive past your elixir S and 25% Elixir S but okay.

Lebannen.8325:

Rozbuska.5263:

This build is pure crap. Bad synergy, no swiftness, endurance dmg traits without any endurance regen or refil, missed best defensive skills and traits and I can continue. You dont survive enough and your dmg will by average. Elixir X is last nail in cofin.

If you think Elixir X is bad…I can pretty much assume then you might be a

With those runes? Yes it is.

That isnt what you said roz. You said elixir X is bad, you made no mention of runes combination.

Elixir X is highly undervalued and under rated. The Juggernaut can be extremely useful in the same situations as the Tornado. Jugg’s stomp is great for knocking people from edges of towers/keeps

The combo 3-2-4 (Tackle, Kick, followed by rock throw is great for a knockdown chain)

The Slide Tackle is great to escape a zerg or a thief, or how i use it to get to a door when people are guarding the entrance.

People rely on supply crate to much, it ignores so many other possibilities.

Lebannen.8325:

That isnt what you said roz. You said elixir X is bad, you made no mention of runes combination.

Elixir X is highly undervalued and under rated. The Juggernaut can be extremely useful in the same situations as the Tornado. Jugg’s stomp is great for knocking people from edges of towers/keeps

The combo 3-2-4 (Tackle, Kick, followed by rock throw is great for a knockdown chain)

The Slide Tackle is great to escape a zerg or a thief, or how i use it to get to a door when people are guarding the entrance.

People rely on supply crate to much, it ignores so many other possibilities.

supply crate far outshines the RNG elite.

I love the supply crate- blast finisher, stun, bandages and a net turret? Yes please <3

Head is in the right place ( bombs > then all. True fact :P ), but maybe try something like this.
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/engineer/?2|a.1p.h1.a.1p.h1l|0.0.0.0.0.0|1n.710.1n.710.1n.710.1n.710.1n.710.1n.710|1k.67.1k.67.1k.67.1k.67.1k.67.8d.67|k37.0.u58b.a4.a6|3l.7|e

Bomb kit, slick shoes, elixir S, Supply crate and med kit for heals. It can take a hit, dishes the pain, and has tons of mobility to run away or run down some.
wep swap chill and two immobs plus slick shoes helps keep people in the red circles of love.

The Engineer is possibly the most expensive class to have. Everyone has an opinion on a build and if it works for them thats pretty cool. I don’t think people are whining though, to be honest people are not whining enough TBH. If you were to talk about how much gold wasted on sigils, runes etc on the back of other peoples builds and finding later the play is not for them, well they have a right to complain.

There would be far more builds and advice on this class if more played it, but because points mean everything and winning fights, then people will choose to play the classes Anet favours in its damage and versatile nature. The proper way to develop the engineer is through Anet themselves and to raise what is a very average class with low health pool, protected by medium armor and lacklusture weapon damage even with berserker amulets etc. The fact is we pay the same prices for runes as other classes, the issue is these additions are pretty much bolstering very poor base damage. Until then we are pretty much wasting time until Anet will ( after much pushing) to raise this class to a point that it is on match with others.

That being said, there is no fast rule to make an engineer class your own style of build. I have run glass cannon with nades in WVW with mass zerg teams on both sides and made plenty badges but its at a very horrible personal damage price. A warrior can run 100 blades, take a massive amount of health off you and has armor as tough as old boots. Thieves can gain almost limitless stealth and massive damage compared to thier fragile nature. And run a guardian and elemental tag team, well we all know what happens there. If Anet had really thought about the engineer, the Golem should have become part of the engineers elite skills but one that works similar to ranger pets.
Basically we need to stop poking fun out of people for actually making a point on this class. You play the engineer cause you like the class, if you like the class poke Anet some more (in numbers of complaints) to develop the class you paid good money to play for. That is the only real way forward to gaining what people want.

The key word is engineer, things like stealth should have been part of engineer class due to the technological basis of the character. Where is the technology of the thief? Shadow would have been more in calling for thieves and something that would only be possible in night situations. It’s just something thats really have not been thought through and it’s pretty apparent.
Instead we have turrets with laughable damage and breakability even with added trait lines, we have grenades which have a base damage and condition tick where water balloons would have been more aggressive. It’s just plainly not really practical as far as the rest of the game mechanics and damage system goes.

We don’t want a god mode class, that would be pointless and would never happen. But we do need this class to be looked on properly with the developers, that provides a decent health pool and better base damage ratio to pistols and rifles to compete in WvW, with better boons and some passive sigils. We should be ( as which as been mentioned before) , similar to the Hybrid Elemental. The engineer is versatile but has really rubber band damage unless you choose to go horribly glass cannon which in dungeons and in some WvW servers where some sides are horribly outmanned, then you will die quickly. P.T.V is the way to go, just make sure you have a little punch somewhere to give you some damage as a support role. But the engineer will always be the achillies heel in a party against stronger aggressors.

Lebannen.8325:

That isnt what you said roz. You said elixir X is bad, you made no mention of runes combination.

Elixir X is highly undervalued and under rated. The Juggernaut can be extremely useful in the same situations as the Tornado. Jugg’s stomp is great for knocking people from edges of towers/keeps

The combo 3-2-4 (Tackle, Kick, followed by rock throw is great for a knockdown chain)

The Slide Tackle is great to escape a zerg or a thief, or how i use it to get to a door when people are guarding the entrance.

People rely on supply crate to much, it ignores so many other possibilities.

I said its last nail in the coffin (for this build). Yes there are situations where you can use it. We had a lot of cc without transofrm. In transform you lose other skills for pretty long time and its bad trade imo. Escape from thief? With bunker?:-)
Elixir X is good when you want troll someone for fun or with Lyssa runes but in other cases is Supply Crate faaaaaar better.

Is it me, or does this build depend on people being stupid enough to follow you around for half an hour?

Call me stupid but will disagree with the OP on one major thing, the Tank Cat build is much better then this.

I just noticed that my guildmate, the kitten he may be, did post the build with the incorrect traits.

The correct traits are as follow:
10/0/30/30/0

Forceful Explosives in the Explosives trait line
Stabilized Armor, Power Shoes, and Elixir-Infused Bombs in the Inventions trait line
Fast Acting Elixirs, Self-Regulating Defences, and Backpack Regenerator in the Alchemy trait line

Also, if you guys would be willing to give suggestions on how to improve this build, in your opinions, I’m more than happy to hear them. I’m the one that’s actually running the build, not Lurock (as you guys said, he doesn’t have much experience with Engineer).

I am curious about one thing though, how is Cleaning Formula 409 better condition cleansing than Elixir C?

NinjaYoshi.3429:

I am curious about one thing though, how is Cleaning Formula 409 better condition cleansing than Elixir C?

Elixir C can wipe all your conditions every 32 seconds, and of course you’ve got the throw for one more. In other words, after you use it, there will be 32 seconds in which you cannot remove more than 1 single condition. You are nearly defenseless to conditions for over half a minute.

On the other hand, if you have 409, you don’t even need to take elixir C. Insert elixir B and your damage goes up dramatically, and you can cleanse one condition with any of your elixirs. You could remove a stack of bleeding and a poison with elixir B drink/throw, heal and cleanse burning, ten seconds later remove an immobilize with elixir S so that you avoid damage and re-position, ten seconds later you can remove another stack of bleeding and poison with throw elixir S and throw elixir H…and a few seconds later elixir B comes off cooldown.

Best of luck to you guys. Keep improving the build. Don’t be too upset by the engineer community responding negatively—I’ve found the most fun thing about engineer is that I’m constantly tweaking my builds. Be willing to constantly tweak this one and you’ll get a lot of fun from it.

waka.9826:

Lebannen.8325:

That isnt what you said roz. You said elixir X is bad, you made no mention of runes combination.

Elixir X is highly undervalued and under rated. The Juggernaut can be extremely useful in the same situations as the Tornado. Jugg’s stomp is great for knocking people from edges of towers/keeps

The combo 3-2-4 (Tackle, Kick, followed by rock throw is great for a knockdown chain)

The Slide Tackle is great to escape a zerg or a thief, or how i use it to get to a door when people are guarding the entrance.

People rely on supply crate to much, it ignores so many other possibilities.

supply crate far outshines the RNG elite.

yeah, one AE can wipe out the turrets and what can you do in a 2 sec stun? Sorry. I doubt the supply crate. Ill keep sticking to my Elixir X and smashing people in the face or throwing people around in tower defenses.

How would this build go for a dungeon perspective? Would we still use Elixir X and Elixir C?

I’ve pretty much stopped reading at the OP’d first sentence, not only because it stinks arrogance, from someone whose ‘devastaging builds’ show very little experience, but because we aren’t ‘poor engies’, we are fine.

The complains you see are because of what Anet wants us to be: Versatile, something that isn’t quite rewarded in Dungeons and all.

If you ever cared to actually look at the threads you could see that there are tons of posted builds with alot of different strengths and weaknesses that do work and that are different from eachother by miles. We aren’t quite pigeonholed.

Not only you failed at acting like the Messiah, but we absolutely don’t need one either. That was miserable, go back to your Warrior.

Lebannen.8325:

yeah, one AE can wipe out the turrets and what can you do in a 2 sec stun? Sorry. I doubt the supply crate. Ill keep sticking to my Elixir X and smashing people in the face or throwing people around in tower defenses.

In very large battles the Elixir X can outshine the Crate, but the Crate is much more handy in solo or a small group fights. Not alot of people are crazy enough to fight an Engineer inside the Crate’s radius, the net turret in there is much more of a pain in the kitten than you can think, especially for classes like Thief, it is also a very reliable way to interrupt any important action including fleeing within 1200 range, you also have regeneration and some supplies when adopting a defensive posture.

Lebannen.8325:

yeah, one AoE can wipe out the turrets and what can you do in a 2 sec stun? Sorry. I doubt the supply crate. Ill keep sticking to my Elixir X and smashing people in the face or throwing people around in tower defenses.

MrForz.1953:

In very large battles the Elixir X can outshine the Crate, but the Crate is much more handy in solo or a small group fights. Not alot of people are crazy enough to fight an Engineer inside the Crate’s radius, the net turret in there is much more of a pain in the kitten than you can think, especially for classes like Thief, it is also a very reliable way to interrupt any important action including fleeing within 1200 range, you also have regeneration and some supplies when adopting a defensive posture.

In a ranking of Elites, Supple Crate fell into the top 5. Both Brute and Tornado did not even make the top 10. (All 3 of Mesmer’s elite are in the top 10 but that’s another argument all together).

It’s not too surprising either. What can you do in 2 seconds? The question is what “can’t” you do in 2 seconds? The two seconds stun is completely unattached to you (doesn’t matter where your character is position), is aoe, and can hit from a range this, by itself, is already elite worthy. In the two seconds, you can run, drop a heavy burst, heal, etc. Unlike transformation elites, this elite does not replace your skill set. If any other class had this elite as an option, it would compete side by side with their best elites.

I’m assuming untraited (because most people don’t trait for elites).

Now moving on. The three turrets.

• Healing turret gives your group a free regenerate stack, some classes will kill for a little regenerate. This puts the elite into the category of support elite.

• Net turret immobilize a nearby target. This is one reason, this elite so powerful. A immobilize going off every 10s makes this unfightable, in 1v1, in the area you dropped the elite in. This puts the elite into the cc category.

• Flame turret give off a cone based attack that causes a burn to nearby target. This attack is completely unaffected by your actions allowing you to stack attacks with it. This puts the elite into the offensive category.

The elite gives 6 bandages healing roughly over 1k each totally up to 6k health. 6,000 health? Does your slotted #6 heal even heal 6,000 health? This elite just gave you a free heal that can compete with your slotted healing skill.

Although some my argue that the elite’s weakness is aoe. It is in fact one of it’s strengths. Your target (both human and monster) has just wasted time destroying your elite, buying you time which would of other wise be used against you.

Elite overall: This elite falls into the support, offense, and cc category. All 3 all at once. Which means there is almost no wrong time to use this elite. It’s a versatile elite that can fit to every single build in the game, not just engineers.

Comparison: In very large battle, supply crate still reign supreme because of one sole ability: aoe stun. Stun is rank 1 as the best, non-class related, control condition in the game. Making it aoe is very overkill but very elite worthy. (rank 2 is knockdown because it gives off a obvious animation that usually causes people to use a stun breaker at the spot).

Transformation skills gives off a “Hit me” sign to players. The reason for this is because by transforming your are now locked out of your unpredictable skills and given predictable ones. Most Warriors will not touch brute and Elementalist only chose tornado because their builds lacks survival.

TLDR:
The flaw: The flaw of supply crate is that it is “too” good. There is no reason not to use it. One of the major flaw of the Engineer class is that Supply Crate has to compete with Elixir X and Mortar, two of the worst elite designs in the game.

Although, I really, really hate to say this. By not using Supply Crate in a serious build, you show inexperience as an Engineer player.

you just showed a pv3 build where mobs sit right on your bomb red circles. as every engi knows, people dont sit on red circles. They know bad things happen there.

PvE build you got there. Nicely done.

for WvW , You have no speed = dead to me.

while every actual engineer player (and you are none) can see that the build is pathetic, i find it far more hillarious that you step in here, call everyone a whiner and present this troll-attempt of a build as good news …
we are fine, thx. go back to your easier classes

Houston. The landing has failed. I repeat, the Landing has failed.