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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

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Hey guys. I’ve played against a bunch of engis recently, and what I’ve found is that the Supply Crate elite is…. Really awesome. Perhaps a bit too awesome.

I’m not one for crying OP usually, but I’m here to ask y’alls opinion of the elite. I’ll be winning a fight by a clear health margin, when BAM somebody drops a box on my head. Usually I avoid that, but the insta-6k+ heal, healing turret, flame turret, and net turret all at once… That’s the killer. When it hits, it adds a 2-second stun, but even when it does, the skill is just… Stunning (pun half-intended :P).

Furthermore, following my duels with two engis (one of which actually got to drop supply crate twice during our duel), they did seem to agree that the skill was a bit OP.

Anyhow, I’d like to know what you guys think.

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Posted by: Welswift.9813

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Not really. When you look at some of the sort of control that is available to other classes with elites, the only unique thing about Supply Crate is how quickly it effects the fight. Other than that, if you just break the immobilize and move somewhere else, then it really goes back to the same fight. 6k healing usually doesn’t happen, as they are all so spread out. The dumbest thing you can do in this situation is stay near this “fortress”. Just move, it is one of the only non-movable elites in the game.

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Not really. When you look at some of the sort of control that is available to other classes with elites, the only unique thing about Supply Crate is how quickly it effects the fight. Other than that, if you just break the immobilize and move somewhere else, then it really goes back to the same fight. 6k healing usually doesn’t happen, as they are all so spread out. The dumbest thing you can do in this situation is stay near this “fortress”. Just move, it is one of the only non-movable elites in the game.

This is certainly true, to some extent. Still, the ability to instantly dominate a point in PvP is just insane, IMO. Turrets are generally extremely good for bunkering on points, but they require individual utility slots and really ought to be improved by the Inventions trait line. SCrate, though, pretty much throws down the equivalent of those three utility slots instantaneously, with healing and a possibly rather long stun as well.

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Posted by: shockwave.1764

shockwave.1764

Just move, it is one of the only non-movable elites in the game.

Basically this. It’s only good in sPvP when you pop it on a node. You either stay to contest the node, or you leave and take damage/immob.

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Posted by: Welswift.9813

Welswift.9813

Also, if you have some AoE available, use it. Turrets are very fragile against AoEs.

Won’t be hard to hit them either, what with those huge hit-boxes! xP

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Posted by: Ostricheggs.3742

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It’s arguably the best 1v1 elite in the entire game. Its effect becomes substantially reduced when used in larger fights or in fights with large amounts of AoE. Cleave down the turrets in small scale. If you can’t cleave down the turrets, run.

The bandages, when used selfishly, are what makes supply crate so good. Their effect isn’t nearly as pronounced in a teamfight because it’s only one person getting healed.

Dealing with supply crate is pretty easy IMO. If you get stunned, break the stun, dodge immediatly to avoid getting immobed by the net turret, kit out of range of the turrets, cleave them down, especially the net turret. Flame turret should be second priority cuz burnign hurts like a kitten.

It’s not very OP IMO. It’s strong as kitten when its used like it should be, but often times it’s used more for the emergency CC in a team fight than it is where it should.

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

Arganthium.5638

Just move, it is one of the only non-movable elites in the game.

Basically this. It’s only good in sPvP when you pop it on a node. You either stay to contest the node, or you leave and take damage/immob.

This is what I’m saying, it’s extremely good for turning fights around instantaneously, specifically, on points, although it could theoretically be used in chokepoints or other important points on a map.

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Posted by: Penguin.5197

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Supply crate is good on its own and can turn fights around, as elites should, but not anywhere near op. Next time you get the chance ask if supply crate was traited that can probably be the reason why it feels strong when used against you. Cause there is a grandmaster trait that makes them pretty sweet, but it takes up the grandmaster slot to use.

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

Arganthium.5638

Supply crate is good on its own and can turn fights around, as elites should, but not anywhere near op. Next time you get the chance ask if supply crate was traited that can probably be the reason why it feels strong when used against you

Eh. There are some elites that aren’t quite so much like that, although they are certainly very good (i.e. Renewed Focus, any of the ele elites, etc).

I will do that though, I didn’t actually know that it could be traited until I checked the wiki.

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Posted by: Velron.3729

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Its definitely a strong elite, but as pointed out all you have to do to maintain control of the fight when it is dropped is move out of turret range.

In WvW its practically an AOE stun on a super long CD. Turrets blow up immediately and as stated the bandages aren’t so amazing when picked up by several different people.

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It’s arguably the best 1v1 elite in the entire game. Its effect becomes substantially reduced when used in larger fights or in fights with large amounts of AoE. Cleave down the turrets in small scale. If you can’t cleave down the turrets, run.

To nitpick a bit, the best 1v1 elite is Moa Morph.

Still, I do have to reflect the sentiment that everyone else has about the Supply Crate, but in list form. Cuz I’m weird like that.

*It’s a quick AoE stun and has good healing and control. In condition builds the burn is pretty good, too.
*It’s effect diminishes quickly if it is not a 1v1 scenario.
*They are vulnerable to AoEs.
*They don’t have the best AI. Mesmers and minion necros will mess you up.
*The supply crate gets a whole lot better with turret increasing traits.
*It is best in sPVP. In WvW people just run away, in PVE enemies are either too weak or they’re strong enough to bowl them over effortlessly.

So it has its place. In PVE and WvW on the engi I mostly use the Hounds of Balthazar as my elite. It’s similar in that it does burning damage, but the hounds chase people down and do more direct damage.

In sPVP I love it, though. I run a turret build, and for me the supply crate is useful as either a backup set when they’re all on cooldown, or if I’m fighting someone really good they’re basically round two for my opponents.

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Posted by: Penguin.5197

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It’s arguably the best 1v1 elite in the entire game. Its effect becomes substantially reduced when used in larger fights or in fights with large amounts of AoE. Cleave down the turrets in small scale. If you can’t cleave down the turrets, run.

To nitpick a bit, the best 1v1 elite is Moa Morph.

Still, I do have to reflect the sentiment that everyone else has about the Supply Crate, but in list form. Cuz I’m weird like that.

*It’s a quick AoE stun and has good healing and control. In condition builds the burn is pretty good, too.
*It’s effect diminishes quickly if it is not a 1v1 scenario.
*They are vulnerable to AoEs.
*They don’t have the best AI. Mesmers and minion necros will mess you up.
*The supply crate gets a whole lot better with turret increasing traits.
*It is best in sPVP. In WvW people just run away, in PVE enemies are either too weak or they’re strong enough to bowl them over effortlessly.

So it has its place. In PVE and WvW on the engi I mostly use the Hounds of Balthazar as my elite. It’s similar in that it does burning damage, but the hounds chase people down and do more direct damage.

In sPVP I love it, though. I run a turret build, and for me the supply crate is useful as either a backup set when they’re all on cooldown, or if I’m fighting someone really good they’re basically round two for my opponents.

Moa morph is also the best 2v2. That plus an immobilize will make anyone a sitting duck :S No skills no running away no anything (Its happened to me before >.<)

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Posted by: TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586

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Supply Crate OP now , check.

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Posted by: yolosmurf.8052

yolosmurf.8052

i want basi venom with 45 sek cd pls – or the warrior signet – kittening imba kitten

moa or 3K autohit power necro ulti form + ranger ultis are all beyond ridicolous

turrets can easily be destroyed isntantly – in fact i can run a full condition build with no power whatsoever and still kill all turrets dropped in 3 casts max – in the end its a stun + 6K heal on a 180 sek cd

^I´d much rather just have the lyssa 6/6 runes effect every 45 sek tbh.

How about asking for a portal nerf?? Portal is a utility skill which is GAME DEFININGLY GOOD (Portal 5 man lord rush on foefire – porting Golems in WvW – skipping “jump n run” passages in PvE and offering shortcuts) in all game modes…

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Posted by: Ostricheggs.3742

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It’s arguably the best 1v1 elite in the entire game. Its effect becomes substantially reduced when used in larger fights or in fights with large amounts of AoE. Cleave down the turrets in small scale. If you can’t cleave down the turrets, run.

To nitpick a bit, the best 1v1 elite is Moa Morph.

Still, I do have to reflect the sentiment that everyone else has about the Supply Crate, but in list form. Cuz I’m weird like that.

*It’s a quick AoE stun and has good healing and control. In condition builds the burn is pretty good, too.
*It’s effect diminishes quickly if it is not a 1v1 scenario.
*They are vulnerable to AoEs.
*They don’t have the best AI. Mesmers and minion necros will mess you up.
*The supply crate gets a whole lot better with turret increasing traits.
*It is best in sPVP. In WvW people just run away, in PVE enemies are either too weak or they’re strong enough to bowl them over effortlessly.

So it has its place. In PVE and WvW on the engi I mostly use the Hounds of Balthazar as my elite. It’s similar in that it does burning damage, but the hounds chase people down and do more direct damage.

In sPVP I love it, though. I run a turret build, and for me the supply crate is useful as either a backup set when they’re all on cooldown, or if I’m fighting someone really good they’re basically round two for my opponents.

I’m not too sure the best 1v1 elite is moa. In a 1v1 it’s very easy to dodge and it’s difficult to chain a shatter combo into. At best it might win a fight for a mesmer, at worst it makes the person run away.

I’d personally rather have supply crate than moa in 1v1s, but I guess all this is aside the point eh?

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Posted by: TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586

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It’s arguably the best 1v1 elite in the entire game. Its effect becomes substantially reduced when used in larger fights or in fights with large amounts of AoE. Cleave down the turrets in small scale. If you can’t cleave down the turrets, run.

To nitpick a bit, the best 1v1 elite is Moa Morph.

Still, I do have to reflect the sentiment that everyone else has about the Supply Crate, but in list form. Cuz I’m weird like that.

*It’s a quick AoE stun and has good healing and control. In condition builds the burn is pretty good, too.
*It’s effect diminishes quickly if it is not a 1v1 scenario.
*They are vulnerable to AoEs.
*They don’t have the best AI. Mesmers and minion necros will mess you up.
*The supply crate gets a whole lot better with turret increasing traits.
*It is best in sPVP. In WvW people just run away, in PVE enemies are either too weak or they’re strong enough to bowl them over effortlessly.

So it has its place. In PVE and WvW on the engi I mostly use the Hounds of Balthazar as my elite. It’s similar in that it does burning damage, but the hounds chase people down and do more direct damage.

In sPVP I love it, though. I run a turret build, and for me the supply crate is useful as either a backup set when they’re all on cooldown, or if I’m fighting someone really good they’re basically round two for my opponents.

I’m not too sure the best 1v1 elite is moa. In a 1v1 it’s very easy to dodge and it’s difficult to chain a shatter combo into. At best it might win a fight for a mesmer, at worst it makes the person run away.

I’d personally rather have supply crate than moa in 1v1s, but I guess all this is aside the point eh?

An Engineer turning somone into a Moa , only in Tyria huh.

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Posted by: luckywaldo.6089

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The turrets tend to suffer from the general turret-suckage. They are no good against things beyond their range, vulnerable to aoe, and generally stupid in regards to targetting pets/minions/clones. And “Movable” describes everything it isn’t.

I think the absolute ideal situation for supply crate is against a lone thief, as that class’s strength lies in 1v1 melee, and can’t take advantage of the turret weaknesses the way most other classes can.

So it’s an awkward situational elite. Sometimes it feels unbelievable OP when it turns around a 1v1 fight, and sometimes it’s basically just a 2-sec stun on a 3-minute cooldown. What I would recommend doing is working with your engineer buddies to figure out how your class can best take advantage of those weaknesses.

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Posted by: Soon.5240

Soon.5240

lol, I just did what the OP is talking about. I just re-capped a Sentry outside of our Keep in our BL, and a thief came up to see what’s what. I dropped the crate on him. Flame blast, net, magnet, pry bar, acid bomb. No more thief.

Do I feel guilty?

Hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahah

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Posted by: NevirSayDie.6235

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lol, I just did what the OP is talking about. I just re-capped a Sentry outside of our Keep in our BL, and a thief came up to see what’s what. I dropped the crate on him. Flame blast, net, magnet, pry bar, acid bomb. No more thief.

Do I feel guilty?

Hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahah

His fault, not supply crate’s. If a thief doesn’t shadowstep out of a supply crate he probably only really has experience with killing upleveled rangers.

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Posted by: XelNigma.6315

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If supply create is one of the stronger elites of the game then the game has some pretty kitten poor elites.
Most of the time its a stun on drop and some bandages on the ground, the turrets tend to get instant gibbed by aoe.

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Posted by: JudgeD.5673

JudgeD.5673

I use Supply Crate as a breather/heal, but I’ve got the upper hand in a 1v1 with it before (WvW only). Net shot+Blunderbuss+Overcharged shot as a follow up can really put the hurt on rangers/thieves/eles/mesmers. Taking down another eng tends to depend on skill/traits/utility slots so Supply Crate works better as a breather/heal.

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Posted by: luckywaldo.6089

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If supply create is one of the stronger elites of the game then the game has some pretty kitten poor elites.

Most of the time on the classes I play I would prefer to have a 4th utility slot than an elite skill slot.

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Posted by: Chaba.5410

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OP? No, considering that a hammer warrior can do much the same thing as supply crate, only more efficiently.

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Posted by: Specterryu Quipter.8412

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Still, the ability to instantly dominate a point in PvP is just insane, IMO. Turrets are generally extremely good for bunkering on points, but they require individual utility slots and really ought to be improved by the Inventions trait line. SCrate, though, pretty much throws down the equivalent of those three utility slots instantaneously, with healing and a possibly rather long stun as well.

Yes it’s good in 1v1/PvP but in PvE/WvW that is a whole ’nother story.

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Posted by: Manuhell.2759

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I don’t see it that overpowered. The turrets are quite frail and any enemy smart enough will kill them quite easily, especially since with their huge hitbox you can hit all of them even with melee attacks. Also, AoE.
And to trait it you have to give up other turret traits, since we’ve got a total of four major traits in that tree regarding turrets, so there is a drawback there too.

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Posted by: MrForz.1953

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Only idiots would remain in the Crate’s radius once it landed. Gives you a strong guess at what most of the Engi’s victims are.

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Posted by: Velron.3729

Velron.3729

All this tread has done is shown how subpar it is. Now I really want some other elite options lol.

I wish the Asura racial golems didnt seem weaker than a stupid Ranger pet, just like Engi turrets. Why so shafted?

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

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OP? No, considering that a hammer warrior can do much the same thing as supply crate, only more efficiently.

Only idiots would remain in the Crate’s radius once it landed. Gives you a strong guess at what most of the Engi’s victims are.

I rather explicitly stated that the CC wasn’t the issue here, multiple times…

Just sayin’.

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

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I don’t see it that overpowered. The turrets are quite frail and any enemy smart enough will kill them quite easily, especially since with their huge hitbox you can hit all of them even with melee attacks. Also, AoE.
And to trait it you have to give up other turret traits, since we’ve got a total of four major traits in that tree regarding turrets, so there is a drawback there too.

True. But in PvP, it’s strong for being able to cap a point really easily, or at least get a bunch of ticks on it.

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Posted by: MrForz.1953

MrForz.1953

I rather explicitly stated that the CC wasn’t the issue here, multiple times…

Just sayin’.

Are you going kitten -drunk mad because we can drop the crate on a capture point? It’s like saying that Thieves Guild is lame because it makes you invisible. And in both cases such a complaint doesn’t make sense. -.- It’s cool for us if you think it’s strong. It’s bad for you if you don’t even bother using Shadowstep and annoy someone else.

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

Arganthium.5638

I rather explicitly stated that the CC wasn’t the issue here, multiple times…

Just sayin’.

Are you going kitten -drunk mad because we can drop the crate on a capture point? It’s like saying that Thieves Guild is lame because it makes you invisible. And in both cases such a complaint doesn’t make sense. -.- It’s cool for us if you think it’s strong. It’s bad for you if you don’t even bother using Shadowstep and annoy someone else.

Not only do I fail to see the point of your rant, which obviously misses half of the points that I made in the OP and later, but then you seem to treat me like some bullkitten thief who just has no idea what the kitten he’s doing. In spite of the fact that you know absolutely nothing about me, my playstyle, my builds, or my theorycrafting.

Alright then.

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Posted by: MrForz.1953

MrForz.1953

Well when you make your entrance with “Hey, I think Supply Crate is overpowered, even some Engies hinted me so, what do you think?” well… you cannot be taken seriously.

The first couple of answers detailed the pros and the cons of that elite many times, and you’re always being like “YES BUT… YES BUT…. !” I mean.. what the hell do you want in the end? The crate to not be able to land on points so you can play your “dark shadow assassin of doom/mighty holy paladin” and slaughter the few bunkers able to guard the points? Because indeed, right now that makes you look like “some bullkitten thief who had no idea what the kitten he’s doing”.

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Posted by: Chaba.5410

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OP? No, considering that a hammer warrior can do much the same thing as supply crate, only more efficiently.

Only idiots would remain in the Crate’s radius once it landed. Gives you a strong guess at what most of the Engi’s victims are.

I rather explicitly stated that the CC wasn’t the issue here, multiple times…

Just sayin’.

And none of those quoted comments have to do explicitly with the CC.

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Chaba.5410

“I’ll be winning a fight by a clear health margin”

Guardian with a clear health margin? Your health regen is OP.

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Posted by: Specterryu Quipter.8412

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I don’t see it that overpowered. The turrets are quite frail and any enemy smart enough will kill them quite easily, especially since with their huge hitbox you can hit all of them even with melee attacks. Also, AoE.
And to trait it you have to give up other turret traits, since we’ve got a total of four major traits in that tree regarding turrets, so there is a drawback there too.

True. But in PvP, it’s strong for being able to cap a point really easily, or at least get a bunch of ticks on it.

The same can be said for a bunker guardian. This thread is going no where…

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Posted by: Manuhell.2759

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True. But in PvP, it’s strong for being able to cap a point really easily, or at least get a bunch of ticks on it.

Still, you’re using an elite with 180s recharge to do that. Getting just a bunch of ticks is disappointing to say the least.
Also, that alone won’t let you cap the point. The stun helps, sure, but the turrets provided don’t offer a notable increase in terms of dps. Basically, from this elite you have a bit of control, a bit of healing and a bit of dps, but nothing that could be defined really overpowered.

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Posted by: NevirSayDie.6235

NevirSayDie.6235

I rather explicitly stated that the CC wasn’t the issue here, multiple times…

Just sayin’.

The CC is what makes it strong. The healing is a nice bonus, but if I had to choose between the bandages and the stun, I’d take the stun. Although if I had to choose, I’d probably wonder if it were really worth the slot anymore. Which is saying something, because the other two elites are absolutely worthless.

It’s a strong skill that’s meant to be strong because it’s elite. It wins 1v1s when used at a good time (i.e. after the engineer has baited out most of your cooldowns). If you go into a 1v1 and blow your most important defensive cooldown, such as shadowstep, renewed focus, mist form, etc, you’ll lose because you won’t be able to get out when you need it.

Alternatively, you could just dodge, as it’s a 1second cast with a kind of unique animation. It can’t be cast from stealth like Moa because, well, there’s a crate.

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Posted by: JoshuaRAWR.4653

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No offense intended OP, i don’t mean to be an kitten, but i can’t think of another way in which to say how stupid you are in saying that the Supply crate is OP.

Your title is completely wrong as well, it’s not a movable fortress, it’s a droppable immobile fortress on a 240 second cooldown which is limited to a very fine area.

If you aren’t smart enough to move out of the area the Crate has been dropped in, then you deserve to take the blunt of the force, Guild wars 2 is all about adapting to your opponents moves, not sitting in them and taking full blunt of the force trying to shrug it all off.

If you sit in the immediate area of a Supply crate drop, then expect to get beat down fast, it’s amazing how many players i see get stunned by my Supply crate drop, move away from it, then immediately run back towards me only to get utterly destroyed by it & me..

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

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No offense intended OP, i don’t mean to be an kitten, but i can’t think of another way in which to say how stupid you are in saying that the Supply crate is OP.

Your title is completely wrong as well, it’s not a movable fortress, it’s a droppable immobile fortress on a 240 second cooldown which is limited to a very fine area.

If you aren’t smart enough to move out of the area the Crate has been dropped in, then you deserve to take the blunt of the force, Guild wars 2 is all about adapting to your opponents moves, not sitting in them and taking full blunt of the force trying to shrug it all off.

If you sit in the immediate area of a Supply crate drop, then expect to get beat down fast, it’s amazing how many players i see get stunned by my Supply crate drop, move away from it, then immediately run back towards me only to get utterly destroyed by it & me..

See, this is just another reason why I hate going to other forums. First people completely ignore what I say, then after ignoring what I’ve said they insult me for not addressing the issues that I explicitly went over. So let’s break this down, bit by bit.

No offense intended OP,

Uh?

but i can’t think of another way in which to say how stupid you are in saying that the Supply crate is OP.

Alright, let’s see Josh’s brilliant logical dissertation of my OP!

Your title is completely wrong as well, it’s not a movable fortress, it’s a droppable immobile fortress on a 240 second cooldown which is limited to a very fine area.

Wait… I thought you were going to explain how I was stupid? You suddenly jump to something else, which I inferred from your saying “as well”, unless you’re trying to be redundant.

Also, it’s not on a 240 second cooldown… http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Supply_Crate

Even I know this, and I’m a thief. It’s a whole minute less than that. Seriously…

Also, you seem not to have understood the idea behind my title. It was to point out the fact that you can, at any time, just drop a practical fortress on top of anywhere, to do just about anything. The turrets are great for CC, which is the best thing about Supply Crate IMO. Furthermore, this “fine area” that you’re talking about is also more than enough to contain an entire point (excluding the Graveyard on LotF), so I’m honestly not sure what you’re talking about.

If you aren’t smart enough to move out of the area the Crate has been dropped in, then you deserve to take the blunt of the force, Guild wars 2 is all about adapting to your opponents moves, not sitting in them and taking full blunt of the force trying to shrug it all off.

So, uh, did you read the OP?

…when BAM somebody drops a box on my head. Usually I avoid that, but the insta-6k+ heal, healing turret, flame turret, and net turret all at once… That’s the killer. When it hits, it adds a 2-second stun, but even when it does, the skill is just… Stunning (pun half-intended :P).

And where did you pull this out of, anyways? Suddenly it’s about the CC, and me being stupid to be in the radius of the CC? Really? If you’re going to insult me about it, then at least show me where I said that that was the problem. But don’t go around treating me like some kind of idiot when you know nothing about me.

If you think I can’t adapt, then I should never have played a thief. But obviously that isn’t the case, because I can survive in spite of a low defense/healing pool fairly easily.

If you sit in the immediate area of a Supply crate drop,

Again, where did I say that this was destroying me?

then expect to get beat down fast, it’s amazing how many players i see get stunned by my Supply crate drop, move away from it, then immediately run back towards me only to get utterly destroyed by it & me..

Cool. “Many players” is not the same as “Arctu Spackle Yarba”, so that was completely off-topic.

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

Arganthium.5638

Anyhow,

@the rest: I decided that it was just an extremely strong elite in 1v1 duels, and about where it should be in proper tPvP, so this thread can be locked. I would like to say that I am somewhat disappointed in a lot of the responses to this thread, as rather than trying to be constructive or helpful they seem to be meant more towards flaming me as opposed to anything else. I typically welcome other players from other communities fairly readily to the Thief forum, and while I understand that it can be frustrating to have something called “OP”, I did not instantaneously come here to ask “NERFNERFNERF” (unlike other profs have done to thieves), I just came here to ask for a more useful perspective on the elite, and I maintained a very open-minded view throughout my posts. A few of you, earlier in the thread, were quite helpful and generally friendly, but I’m disappointed that the rest of you decided to act so immaturely.

~Arctu

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Posted by: Penguin.5197

Penguin.5197

Oh, you are a thief? That helps explain why crate seem strong for you. Turrets in general are a good counter to thief since they basically help negate mobility while doing good damage to glass canon thieves.

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Posted by: Specterryu Quipter.8412

Specterryu Quipter.8412

Anyhow,

@the rest: I decided that it was just an extremely strong elite in 1v1 duels, and about where it should be in proper tPvP, so this thread can be locked. I would like to say that I am somewhat disappointed in a lot of the responses to this thread, as rather than trying to be constructive or helpful they seem to be meant more towards flaming me as opposed to anything else. I typically welcome other players from other communities fairly readily to the Thief forum, and while I understand that it can be frustrating to have something called “OP”, I did not instantaneously come here to ask “NERFNERFNERF” (unlike other profs have done to thieves), I just came here to ask for a more useful perspective on the elite, and I maintained a very open-minded view throughout my posts. A few of you, earlier in the thread, were quite helpful and generally friendly, but I’m disappointed that the rest of you decided to act so immaturely.

~Arctu

You’re in the Engineer forums, you will need thicker skin to be in our presence. While you claim you were not advocating the nerf hammer, the stance you were taking made it seem like you were leaning towards it. Because of this the community will lose it’s kitten mind. Not that I was/am trying to flame you or anything.

Character is higher than intellect. A great soul will be strong to live, as well as think.
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Posted by: miriforst.1290

miriforst.1290

Funny enough the same could be said about thieves guild, the difference is that it does not heal you, but it deals a huge deal more dps on a profession already bursting you into tears (hehe) and you cant simply kit two meters to the left or right either. The added CC in the form of wire and blind spam together with a glassy thief and unoads makes that a liquid gank if used right. Ironically i usually counter it by crating him, causing them to lose focus on you. If you really are intended on fighting a crate, you should bring daggerstorm instead of basilisk venom, stability and projectile reflects while aoeing down the turrets quickly, its the standard thief countermeasure against supply drop. And yeah, thieves are one of the few classes who actually die from turrets.

And about judging the engineer forums, boy do you know what the thief forum looks like to us?

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Posted by: TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586

Anyhow,

@the rest: I decided that it was just an extremely strong elite in 1v1 duels, and about where it should be in proper tPvP, so this thread can be locked. I would like to say that I am somewhat disappointed in a lot of the responses to this thread, as rather than trying to be constructive or helpful they seem to be meant more towards flaming me as opposed to anything else. I typically welcome other players from other communities fairly readily to the Thief forum, and while I understand that it can be frustrating to have something called “OP”, I did not instantaneously come here to ask “NERFNERFNERF” (unlike other profs have done to thieves), I just came here to ask for a more useful perspective on the elite, and I maintained a very open-minded view throughout my posts. A few of you, earlier in the thread, were quite helpful and generally friendly, but I’m disappointed that the rest of you decided to act so immaturely.

~Arctu

We don’t welcome your kind around these parts …drop the stealth act and maybe we’ll think about not dropping Fort Knox on your frail body , and that goes for you or any other mouth breathing thief you summon

Best Regards
Fed up Engie

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

Arganthium.5638

Anyhow,

@the rest: I decided that it was just an extremely strong elite in 1v1 duels, and about where it should be in proper tPvP, so this thread can be locked. I would like to say that I am somewhat disappointed in a lot of the responses to this thread, as rather than trying to be constructive or helpful they seem to be meant more towards flaming me as opposed to anything else. I typically welcome other players from other communities fairly readily to the Thief forum, and while I understand that it can be frustrating to have something called “OP”, I did not instantaneously come here to ask “NERFNERFNERF” (unlike other profs have done to thieves), I just came here to ask for a more useful perspective on the elite, and I maintained a very open-minded view throughout my posts. A few of you, earlier in the thread, were quite helpful and generally friendly, but I’m disappointed that the rest of you decided to act so immaturely.

~Arctu

We don’t welcome your kind around these parts …drop the stealth act and maybe we’ll think about not dropping Fort Knox on your frail body , and that goes for you or any other mouth breathing thief you summon

Best Regards
Fed up Engie

I wasn’t going to say anything, but I couldn’t resist…

I don’t even touch stealth, it sucks in tPvP for almost every single thing imaginable. Nice try though.

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Posted by: Copenhagen.7015

Copenhagen.7015

I think Supply Crate is awesome in tPvP. Other elites should be more like Supply Crate.

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Posted by: JoshuaRAWR.4653

JoshuaRAWR.4653

So, uh, did you read the OP?

…when BAM somebody drops a box on my head. Usually I avoid that, but the insta-6k+ heal, healing turret, flame turret, and net turret all at once… That’s the killer. When it hits, it adds a 2-second stun, but even when it does, the skill is just… Stunning (pun half-intended :P).

And where did you pull this out of, anyways? Suddenly it’s about the CC, and me being stupid to be in the radius of the CC? Really? If you’re going to insult me about it, then at least show me where I said that that was the problem. But don’t go around treating me like some kind of idiot when you know nothing about me.

Sorry but you are an idiot, i didn’t even mention the stun, the stun is negligible at best, if you stay in the area of the crate (Which it seems you are doing) after it has been dropped, after the stun has wore off, and once all the turrets are set up, then yes, you are an idiot.

It’s incredibly easy to take down a supply crates turrets with one person, let alone two, the main reason you’re suffering is because you’re a thief, engineers turrets hard counter you because your AoE is crap, so find another player on your team (After all, pretty sure SPvP is a team game, not a free for all).

I don’t mean to sound harsh, but sometimes you need to put people in their place to help them realize just how wrong they are, and please, don’t say “You don’t know me” because seeing your replies, you just seem to be like every other average thief out there..

Warrior 80 | Guardian 80 | Ranger 80 | Engineer 80 |
Thief 80 | Elementalist 80 | Mesmer 80 | Necromancer 80 | Revenant TBA

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Posted by: Raestloz.7134

Raestloz.7134

It’s pretty good for 1v1, and lacks in team v team. It provides quick turnaround, but loses its function when the action moves somewhere else. In short, one of the few elites that does its job properly

The stun is nice, so is the healing, but everything else relies heavily on luck. If you’re the ONLY target around, congratulations: you have net turret ready to immobilize you. If not, it’s a chance of getting immobilized

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Posted by: MrForz.1953

MrForz.1953

I don’t even know why this thread was made if the OP doesn’t accept any kind of answer at all except maybe “Yes I agree.”. You had all the perspectives, the opinions, and the constructiveness you wanted.

Now was it written somewhere that you had to reply to every single post of ours insisting on your belief that it’s too strong like if we were all full of kitten? No. And that’s a direct insult. If you just wanted to let off some steam you could have just said so.

Disgruntled Charr Engineer and Thief – Jade Quarry.

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Posted by: TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586

Anyhow,

@the rest: I decided that it was just an extremely strong elite in 1v1 duels, and about where it should be in proper tPvP, so this thread can be locked. I would like to say that I am somewhat disappointed in a lot of the responses to this thread, as rather than trying to be constructive or helpful they seem to be meant more towards flaming me as opposed to anything else. I typically welcome other players from other communities fairly readily to the Thief forum, and while I understand that it can be frustrating to have something called “OP”, I did not instantaneously come here to ask “NERFNERFNERF” (unlike other profs have done to thieves), I just came here to ask for a more useful perspective on the elite, and I maintained a very open-minded view throughout my posts. A few of you, earlier in the thread, were quite helpful and generally friendly, but I’m disappointed that the rest of you decided to act so immaturely.

~Arctu

We don’t welcome your kind around these parts …drop the stealth act and maybe we’ll think about not dropping Fort Knox on your frail body , and that goes for you or any other mouth breathing thief you summon

Best Regards
Fed up Engie

I wasn’t going to say anything, but I couldn’t resist…

I don’t even touch stealth, it sucks in tPvP for almost every single thing imaginable. Nice try though.

Well now we talking.

I never expect to lose. Even when I’m the Engineer , I still prepare a victory speech.