Guild Wars 2

I’ve seen so many engis in PvP trying to say " I’m not turret but triple kit" and yet use their crate in the first 3 seconds of the fight.

So I’m just gonna remind you that the use of the supply crate in 1v1 makes you a turret engineer. Like it or not but its the truth . Usually the engineers that lack skill will use the crate as " I win button " in 1v1 and the good engis will save it for team fight or a support utility for their allies.

Sincerly thief, that has been crated in 1v1 in the first 3 seconds by bad engis.

Looking at your history you have a very long standing hate against engies. I don’t think by now anything is gonna change your mind so its okay just let it all out.

So you get pwned by crate engies? Uhh… stealth? Sneak at the target? Backstab? Your own elite poison that petrifies enemies? Know that stuff? If you yolo rush an engi its your very own fault. Dont expect to fight a darn engi like a war. And the crate is rarely a win button…cept you suck yourself what you do by default since you come here to shed some tears into the infine jar of apathy and free shrugs. The crate got a stun, 1 healing turret that cant be overcharged and nuked, a net turret that most likely will hit the first shot and a flamer turret that cant be overcharged either, it lasts for 60 seconds and cant be detonated as blast finisher (cept it gets dropped into a combo field) Its not mobile either…and got a recharge of 180 seconds aswell a cast time of 1 second…and got an unique animation (beeing the engi pointing at your face). I suck in pvp (cause i dont really care about the thing as it is cept to unlock skins) but seriosly.. you got stealth.. you can GTFO and reset the fight, sneak in and backstab the engi before he even knows wtf is going on, specially if he protects himself with turrets he is NOT mobile, as thief on the other hand you are. And you got a 2nd set of weapons.. slot a shortbow and condi, slot double pistols and unload the turrets one by one…. but i think i talk against a wall here.. so whatever.

So basilisk makes you venoms build right? Signet of rage makes you signet warrior? Renewed focus makes you meditation guard?? Lel. Try harder.

using crate as an “i win” button in a 1v1 requires skill
you need to bait out the enemy’s stunbreaks, leaps, and/or aoes and have them on the run. lasting that long in a duel is not trivial.

if they use it within 3 seconds of engaging, one of the two of you is noob… and who it is depends on whether you just downed to it or not.

glock.6590:

I’ve seen so many engis in PvP trying to say " I’m not turret but triple kit" and yet use their crate in the first 3 seconds of the fight.

So I’m just gonna remind you that the use of the supply crate in 1v1 makes you a turret engineer. Like it or not but its the truth . Usually the engineers that lack skill will use the crate as " I win button " in 1v1 and the good engis will save it for team fight or a support utility for their allies.

Sincerly thief, that has been crated in 1v1 in the first 3 seconds by bad engis.

I had you tell me that recently. Do you remember what happened?

Well let me remind you. I slash danced on your corpse, while you were waiting to repawn, as I capped the point. Call me a gadgeteer, call me a turret engineer, call me a kit master. I could care less. I am just glad knowing the fact that I smashed you repeatedly, and that is part of your ire for the profession.

I’m a little confused here. You regard Supply Crate as an “I win button” in 1 v 1’s, yet you say that only bad engineers use it. If it allows them to easily kill you and (presumably) take/keep a point, then it’s not exactly a bad use of the skill, is it? Sounds like it was used pretty effectively against you. So how is the player bad if they are so effective that you seem to have been driven to complain about it here?

With that said, even as a bad engineer, I typically won’t use up my Supply Crate on a 1 v 1 fight. I try to save it for a team fight or a 1 v 2 or 1 v 3 fight. But sometimes I spend a lot of a match just capping and holding points away from the main fights. In those cases, I often am just running into a ton of 1 v 1’s all game, usually a trickle of people who just respawned after dying in the main fights. If all I am seeing is 1 v 1s, then yeah, I’ll use Supply Crate in 1 v 1’s because it’d be a huge waste not to use it.

Allright – lets assume i want to be a triple kit engi. Now i need to choose my elite skill. I’m an Asura – this leaves:
Elixir X – welll yeah, but blocking out all my utility skills? No thanks.
Mortar – kitten am i gonna do with this against a thief?
Power Suit – same thing as Elixir X, also UP
Summon (either) Golem – these things mostly tank, are easy to evade, and a competent enemy knows to focus me instead.

This leaves me with… supply crate. Which i like.
Hence, the only viable option for a triple kit engi is to run Supply Crate. And if i have to trade my elite’s cooldown in a 1v1 for a kill and free access to a point? Give me one reason i shouldn’t.

If you’re going to call anyone who uses their Supply Crate to kill you a turret engi, you might as well call every engi a turret engi.

1. Crate is only elite we have rest are just junks and jokes.
2. Untraited turrets (and Crate without elite trait what noone using) are not as good as you think.
3. If engi use Crate at start of fight its more for that 2s AoE stun (fantastic when you want stop stomp of multiple ppl on range) and net turret for some extra immobilize then for damage. Turrets there are more for distraction because ppl these days freak out when see more then one turret:-D

Oh god, I use healing turret. That makes me a dirty turret engineer.

Not sure using supply crate makes you a turret engineer, but making this posts? that definitely makes you a troll!

glock.6590 – what would an engineer be without some turrets, elixirs and kits?

Every engineer build has at least one of those. Does this makes us a kit-turret-elixir engineer? It does. Is this the core of our class. It is.

Even tho the OP complains a lot about engis, crate in a 1v1 is a “i-win-button” and bad engis will use it on CD. Its not just the AoE stun, its the net turret and the HUGE heal from the med-kits. And having the elite on CD for long is not a waste since you dont know when you really need it. Best use imo is to give it to your teammates eg. when someone is holding a point 1v2 for some time and you join the fight. He can pick up the med-kids and the stun/immob takes the pressure off of him. Or you use it in a teamfight for a clutch interrupt.
Now, if an engi is crating a theef, just run. You wont win before the engi fullcaps a point against you.
And to all the ppl who say only crate is useful: L2ElixirX.
The only thing that makes elixir X not viable is the RNG. If you are outnummbered and have to wait for reinforcement, elixir X can be used like plagueform. Rampager makes twice as tanky and imune to any CC (also soft-cc like immob/chill etc) and gives you a safestomp. Tornado also makes you more tanky with all the blinds and can push away downed enemies wich is also very useful in some situations.

Actually crating a thief with in the first 3 sec is sometimes a good idea. A lot of the time if I take home point it is very common for a enemy thief try to come push far straight way. So instead of wasting time with him sometimes I will just crate kill thief and cap point immediately. Then I will go support mid while the far pushers has just kitten up his whole team.

If the theef suicides on a far push against a crate, then he is just bad. You should not have any issues as an engi to get the cap on home if one theef runs up to you. And most likely your crate would have a bigger impact if you would randomly drop it on the midpoint after capping home.

Lawl. I get called a turret engy for running thumper with my CC setup all the time. Why do they have to say such hurtful things?! No one gives my nades and FT any credit.

-Lamb

I wouldn’t go as far as to say Supply Crate = Turret engi. But I agree that supply crate 1v1 is really unfair, it’s such a strong elite. I run Elixir X these days to avoid the temptation.

IMO, you can run full turrets and not really be considered a “turret engi”. A true turret engi is somebody who sets up turrets on a point, sits there and spams 1 on his rifle all day while reaping all that sweet sweet passive damage.

Well i actualy created my enginer so to play turret. So did i create my ranger so to play pet and my necro to play minion master. While i highly deplore the lack of interaction with the ‘’summonable tools’’ i think they could have designed it otherwise while keeping it viable.

Its nasty? I dont care. You want to nerf it? I still dont care but how about you remove cooldown on turret and turn them into tool kit like pet that can be put down and removed at the cost of loosing theyre actual special command ability? Maybe you could actualy turn that ability into the F1 F2 F3 F4 and make it work only when turret is down. Im all for a less AI dumbed turret enginer or necro as long as they keep those build viable for people who specificaly made their character for it. You guys got to understand if a guy want to play mass summoner he perfectly has the right to do so the same half of the thief runs the endlessly stealthing D/P build and weither the build is cheeze mode or not has nothing to do with the player skill level. You want it to be less OP and less tank like? Well why not turn turret into utility package the enginer set up and travel with and force those stat to scale with what gear the enginer itself run so that if the engy wants his turret to deal serious damage in the first place he needs to gear squishy.

Weither you like it or not mass AI mode is actualy an availlable choice in most RPG games and not everyone agree that it should be gone.

I will agree its a strong ult skill, but I don’t believe it makes you a turret engineer. If your a turret engineer, you’ll likely have invested in traits that benefit turrets, as well as get toolbelt skills from the slotted turrets. You get none of those if you’re a different build, like static discharge or HGH.
I’ll admit that against something like a good thief, I’ll need to rely on my ult somewhat, since a slippery zero thief can be a serious pain if you don’t pin them down.
If the only reason they win is because of the ult, then just buy time till the ult wears off or range them. If you can’t escape the ult, then they are either a good engineer that waits for the right opportunities or you need to brush up more.

Depths.4051:

I will agree its a strong ult skill, but I don’t believe it makes you a turret engineer. If your a turret engineer, you’ll likely have invested in traits that benefit turrets, as well as get toolbelt skills from the slotted turrets. You get none of those if you’re a different build, like static discharge or HGH.
I’ll admit that against something like a good thief, I’ll need to rely on my ult somewhat, since a slippery zero thief can be a serious pain if you don’t pin them down.
If the only reason they win is because of the ult, then just buy time till the ult wears off or range them. If you can’t escape the ult, then they are either a good engineer that waits for the right opportunities or you need to brush up more.

Well said. And I know it’s been said before, but I think one of the big things that makes turrets seem OP is that people often ignore them. Perhaps it is only because engi is my main, but if someone drops supply crate on me, I will generally do one of two things: 1) get out of range asap, or 2) AoE down the turrets asap. Leaving the turrets alone and fighting in their range is a good way to die. But I do understand that some builds have minimal AoE capability, so maybe #2 isn’t a good option for them.

i guess someone died in spvp?
I have to visit that place more often, i have heard i can steamroll people there with supply crate and turrets lol. Camping a point in spvp is like the the only thing in gw2 were crate and turrets arent complete useless.

You expect in your little darkshadow assasin world to blink around the map within seconds, escape every bad situation and beat someone specialized for fighting on a node?

Take the crate, delete it and give me a useful stability skill like earth armor instead. Its a weak elite for WvW anyway even in 1vs1 / 1vs/x situations. I-win-button, lol.

Why would you 1v1 an engi on point as a thief? Sure you can win it but most of the time it’s a waste, especially if they’re camping on far point, just let them.