Guild Wars 2

No Walking.6349:

So Anet did away with the ridiculously OP DD ele. They could do massive damage, heal to full in no time, stack ridiculous conditions, and keep conditions off all with a single build. They were the bane of 1v1 and small group skirmishes. I’m sure every single Engineer in these forums would agree that DD eles needed a nerf back when they were crazy OP. Cheers to you for nerfing them

Now with that being said….why would you go and give all those exact same abilities to engineers. Kit engineers are the new DD ele, and are in need of a serious nerf. Thanks Anet in advance for balancing this ridiculously OP class.

i wanna see this 30/30/30/30/30 build of yours

engineers still dont have near the same mobility as a dd ele and eles were nerfed because they were able to have up to 8 boons stacking up with 100% uptime
might stability vigor protection regen the extra regen from minor trait swiftness then they had the auras and near infinite range RTL on short cd

No Walking.6349:

Med Kit – condi removal
Healing Turret – condi removal
Elixer C – full condi removal

I like the way the only defense here is “We DONT have condi removal” when in fact you do lol.

Even if you didn’t you still have all the other things I said, along with incredible burst healing (on full DPS builds too). Truth hurts. Excited for the nerf though Too many roamers in WvW now days are engineers. You can’t throw a stone without hitting 2 of them cause they’re so incredibly FOTM right now for roaming and dueling.

med kit -1 condition removal and its a drop to ground and pick u p elixir with a 1s cast time

healing turret- the most reliable condi removal and only cleanses 2 condies

elixir C-hardly anyone uses since engies really rely on their utilities reason no one uses it is because of mesmers and necros being able to strip all boons and turn them into conditions and still its on a 40s cd whereas eles kept losing conditions passively

in the case of elementalists they had full access to utilities because all their cleanses came from simply attuning to diferent elements and healing with water element ontop of their current regens

i main engineer and i also play an elementalist the class got hit solid but thats no reason to drag the next underperforming class and destroy it why not complain about thieves necros and warriors like others -.- specially now that the new meta is Condi builds with Dire gear

No Walking.6349:

Again all you guys are talking about is condi removal….as in the lack of that makes a class totally useless or something. You have good condi removal without speccing into it, and all the other things I stated in my original post. No getting around it…

The burden of proof is on the accuser. If you come onto the Engineer forums claiming we can do all these things at once (and believe me, if we can I want to know about it!) it’s up to you to prove it. Otherwise you come across lazy and trollish, which explains the reaction you’ve gotten in this thread.

I just think its funny how yesterday there was a deleted troll thread complaining how UP engis are in all areas of the game, and now theres this guy complaining how unkilkable and OP engis are.

So ive come up with something we can do to these troll threads. Idk how many of you watch collegehumor on YouTube, but they recently made a video called “Internet troll under a bridge” so whenever someone makes a troll post or thread, everyone just link that video.

Carpboy.7145:

So ive come up with something we can do to these troll threads. Idk how many of you watch collegehumor on YouTube, but they recently made a video called “Internet troll under a bridge” so whenever someone makes a troll post or thread, everyone just link that video.

I am actually keen to see this happen.

Every week this forum (probably all class forums to be realistic) sees people claiming the class is either terribad or OP as fug, it’s probably a waste of time responding with anything other than jokes now there is a specific balance sub :P

Brew Pinch.5731:

Carpboy.7145:

So ive come up with something we can do to these troll threads. Idk how many of you watch collegehumor on YouTube, but they recently made a video called “Internet troll under a bridge” so whenever someone makes a troll post or thread, everyone just link that video.

I am actually keen to see this happen.

Every week this forum (probably all class forums to be realistic) sees people claiming the class is either terribad or OP as fug, it’s probably a waste of time responding with anything other than jokes at this point :P

Lets do it then. Anet sticky plis so everyone knows

i want to ask 1 thing
for what on ur server are engy so popular?
wvw
pve??
pvp???

pve:
for my experience i see engy in pve only for a few dungeon and for low lvl on fotm
other pve thing its a massive meta and its useless to call it a ncessary member
pvp:
some bunker build (high survivability but low dmg), cond build (high cond dmg but no clean), SD (high crit dmg but its the same of a thief but no stealth) well on pvp its the same of other class depending on how do u L2P
wvw:
i see all class got a role
war and guardian on the first line
thief and ranger for kill the ppl who got 50% of their life stole by the first line
necro and engy for spamming conditionsand support the first line (necro for kill, and engy for water/blast)
eleand mesmer got the support role on the back (ele for spamming aoe and mesmer for stealth, portal, blind and stomp)
and this is for zerg blob issue
now for a small group depend on ur team setup, ur build, and how u and ur team play
i see a solo DD ele kill 2 war and 1 ele team
i see 1 engy do the same
i see a mesmer to
and i can continue for all class
depending on build they r playng

No Walking.6349:

Again all you guys are talking about is condi removal….as in the lack of that makes a class totally useless or something. You have good condi removal without speccing into it, and all the other things I stated in my original post. No getting around it…

Please…enlighten us. How exactly?

And I LOVE your proof: everything I’ve said before is right so ha. You’ve offered no facts to back your claims. You simply make a statement and then say it’s true no matter what anyone else says. It’s the kind of argument a 4yr old makes. You smell…..cuz ya do! Seriously? What kind of argument do you think you’re making?

I guess he doesnt play engi

IMO engi is far from OP in WvW. The cookie cutter bomb/nade condi build is vulnerable conditions and can be nuked to death from range. Because nades have a huge travelling time they never hit anyone with half a brain unless he is in < 600 range to the engi.

who wants to join me in making a build that resembles the old dd ele as closely as possible, you need to stack alotta might, great mobility, great healing and as best an engi can get with Condi removal since we can’t exactly get close to an eles amount of Condi removal.

you will also need to mimic typical dd ele combos, this isn’t going to be an easy build to accomplish, but I have faith we can accomplish it.

ukuni.8745:

who wants to join me in making a build that resembles the old dd ele as closely as possible, you need to stack alotta might, great mobility, great healing and as best an engi can get with Condi removal since we can’t exactly get close to an eles amount of Condi removal.

you will also need to mimic typical dd ele combos, this isn’t going to be an easy build to accomplish, but I have faith we can accomplish it.

I dont think its possible. Youd absolutely need bomb kit+rocket boots, and i think elixir S would fit best since its kinda like mist form. But you won’t do the same dmg, or have a teleport, or stability, or good burst dmg, or good condi clear. Which makes it just an engineer build. Why make a D/D ele engi build when you could make an ele D/D build?

wow OP is a complete tool (get it?1)
Clearly trolling and has no clue, gratz op!
Elly’s were OP because they could completely reset a fight, please do tell us how Engies can.

Carpboy.7145:

ukuni.8745:

who wants to join me in making a build that resembles the old dd ele as closely as possible, you need to stack alotta might, great mobility, great healing and as best an engi can get with Condi removal since we can’t exactly get close to an eles amount of Condi removal.

you will also need to mimic typical dd ele combos, this isn’t going to be an easy build to accomplish, but I have faith we can accomplish it.

I dont think its possible. Youd absolutely need bomb kit+rocket boots, and i think elixir S would fit best since its kinda like mist form. But you won’t do the same dmg, or have a teleport, or stability, or good burst dmg, or good condi clear. Which makes it just an engineer build. Why make a D/D ele engi build when you could make an ele D/D build?

because I feel like having some fun

Ah, the joys of sPvP whining. Where single players pretend that single combat is a meaningful way to judge RPG balance. And then get to feel skilled when they win, and complain about imbalances when they lose.

Always nice to see.

Sad is when the devs respond to it. Or worse, change their game as a result. Even the Blizzard people had to admit a few years later that 2v2 Arena was a horrible idea from the get-go and they should have never put it in.

1v1s are important. for far point assaulting engis and thieves, for home point defending warriors and rangers, being good at 1v1s or 1v2s is pretty key to winning the game if you play these roles.

Condi damage eles? I’m… confused. You got a little burn, and okay bleeds… and… yeah.

Medkit is really lacking as a condi removal for immobilize, because of obvious problems. It’s also a pretty terrible reactionary condi removal because of the time it takes to switch to it, drop an antidote, and potentially switch back to a kit.

Healing turret similarly has the same problem of being a delayed condition removal.

I honestly don’t know any engineers that actually slot Elixir C, because there are much better elixirs if you’re an elixir build. But then again, I don’t play a lot of sPvP anymore, nor do I play without elixirs because yay pigeonholing.

Thanks for the laugh OP.

Yeah engis are quite op when they can use 2 sets of utilities and 2 sets of gear at the same time and possibly 80 more trait points :/

Vuh.1328:

Yeah engis are quite op when they can use 2 sets of utilities and 2 sets of gear at the same time and possibly 80 more trait points :/

Yes, it’s getting out of hand.

ukuni.8745:

who wants to join me in making a build that resembles the old dd ele as closely as possible, you need to stack alotta might, great mobility, great healing and as best an engi can get with Condi removal since we can’t exactly get close to an eles amount of Condi removal.

you will also need to mimic typical dd ele combos, this isn’t going to be an easy build to accomplish, but I have faith we can accomplish it.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcQQJAqelIqae37ynF1LJx4DcO0D7bY1K+g+/UQuA-jkyAYuASiAJCAZxioxWBLiGrqGQxgpPjseNp+EGtaZAKmAA-w

Closest I can come up with. Slick shoes for the stunbreak and to mimic earth 4 on d/d ele. P/S to give a blast finisher and to mimic mist form/static aura. RB for rtl-esque play. Bomb kit for the pbaoe. HT for condi clear and regen. Elixir bombs to mimic healing signet. Sigil of accuracy for more crit percentage as we’re working without fury. Sigil of battle for the might stacks. Sigil of hydromancy would work really nicely too w/ the bomb kit.

EDIT: Played this for an hour during my lunch break. Was roaming in duo with a guardian and the build was really a lot better than I thought that it would be. I’ll be sticking with it for a while. Slick shoes are hilarious and can be devastating.

more or less similar a DD ele build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcQQJAqelIq6ZX3y3F1LJxoCdO0D7bY1KSRl1/nCyF-jECBoiBkABgEBMJtIasVQFRjVhET7SQW/KpyAUMBA-w
mist form at 25% healt XD